Lawrence D'Oliveiro <...@nz.invalid> [LD]:
LD> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 05:54:56 +0100, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
LD>
LD> Doesn¢t the bank offer data export/import in standard formats,
LD> like CSV or QIF?

Some of the banks I use do, but not in the exact format required by
the acco$nting web application. I would have to reformat the data
(and remember to export/import regularly). Writing a xdotool-based
shell script seemed easier/faster.

Then there is one bank that can only export transaction data in .xslx
format, which is useless for this specific task. Of course I could grab
the JSON data response as it comes in from their server, but I
I would still have to apply some field mapping/reformatting.

Until my banks get a new web designer (who changes the UI once
again for no apparent reason) or get merged/acquired with/by another
bank, xdotool will do.

On 17/02/2024 10:05, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> Until my banks get a new web designer (who changes the UI once again
> for no apparent reason)

Please don't talk about banking software.

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Today's PFY's think that 'ergonomics' is a branch of philosophy
concerned with consequences arising...

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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202402.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
> Until my banks get a new web designer (who changes the UI once again
> for no apparent reason) or get merged/acquired with/by another bank,
> xdotool will do.

This occurs for two reasons:

1) The web designer has to make changes in order to show supposed
/value/ to their employer, therefore they make changes for no reason
other than to ensure their continued employment.

2) They change the UI around because in their world, no one is
automating anything, everyone is manually clicking, reading and
retyping, etc.

#1 is the largest reason for the changes that occur periodically. #2
is a consequence of the fact that their short-sightedness does not
extend to "people out there might have automated this".

On 2024-02-17, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202402.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>
>> Until my banks get a new web designer (who changes the UI once again
>> for no apparent reason) or get merged/acquired with/by another bank,
>> xdotool will do.
>
> This occurs for two reasons:
>
> 1) The web designer has to make changes in order to show supposed
> /value/ to their employer, therefore they make changes for no reason
> other than to ensure their continued employment.
>
> 2) They change the UI around because in their world, no one is
> automating anything, everyone is manually clicking, reading and
> retyping, etc.
>
> #1 is the largest reason for the changes that occur periodically. #2
> is a consequence of the fact that their short-sightedness does not
> extend to "people out there might have automated this".

2a) They change the UI around in order to break users' automated
solutions, pushing said users toward their own proprietary solutions.

IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly, as in not
being full of pretty fluff that gets in the way of doing things,
and boring as in just doing what they're told without any
unpleasant surprises.

A man does not insist on physical beauty in a woman who
builds up his morale. After a while he realizes that
she _is_ beautiful - he just hadn't noticed it at first.
-- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

But to return to the original topic, I can live with filesystems
which are either case-sensitive or case-preserving, and can see
advantages to either. I would never create file names which can
only be distinguished by case - it's just asking for trouble.

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X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
/ \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:04:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 16/02/2024 21:40, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 09:01:25 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There’s more to life than trademarks too.
>>>>
>>>> Then don’t use them.
>>>
>>> ??? I’ll use whatever words I like.
>>
>> Then you won’t object if other people use different words.
>
> I think cataclysm is a nice word.
>
> You could use that.

It would be a cataclysm if I did. Unless it was an upheaval.

On 17/02/2024 21:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 10:04:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/2024 21:40, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 09:01:25 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> There’s more to life than trademarks too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then don’t use them.
>>>>
>>>> ??? I’ll use whatever words I like.
>>>
>>> Then you won’t object if other people use different words.
>>
>> I think cataclysm is a nice word.
>>
>> You could use that.
>
> It would be a cataclysm if I did. Unless it was an upheaval.

During the Gordon Brown years, he visits a Scottish school, to
participate in a class, where the lads and lasses are being taught basic
literacy.

After a while when the teacher has been talking about the meaning of
words, Gordon chips in, and asks:

"If I were to be run over by a car, would it be an accident, a bad
thing, or a complete disaster?"

There is a complete silence. Eventually a boy tentatively raises his
hand. "Yes?"

"It would have to be a disaster, sorr"

"Correct!" beams Gordon, "Now tell me why that is?"

"Well, sorr, it seems to me that it would be no bad thing, and I canna
say that anyone would think it was a forkin' accident".

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy