On 2023-09-08 10:46, You're Kidding wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2023 at 4:10:32 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-06 12:51, Chris wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-06 01:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 05.09.23 um 02:02 schrieb Jolly Roger:
>>>>>> On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>>>>>>>> older releases".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heh heh heh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings schoolyard
>>>>>> insults instead. =
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be the bigger Troll than Arlen.
>>>>> Why are you feeding this Troll and wasting our time?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever seen "Don't feed the Troll" actually work?
>>>
>>> It very obviously does work otherwise Arlen wouldn't feel the need to
>>> nymshift quite so often. He claims it's for "privacy" but that's just
>>> bullshit.
>>
>> But that's my point:
>>
>> BECAUSE he shifts it cannot work.
>>
>> So I battle with him a different way:
>>
>> Ridicule.
>
> Actually you can. When you read a post that includes "iKook", talks about the
> weak iOS, disses users/supporters of Apple products, has cross posted posts
> involving iOS on Mac newsgroups, and mentions how they are so superior to
> other posters, you know it is Arlen. Even if it is sin't, you are better of to
> ignore the poster. In my opinion, you are just as weak as they are, when you
> respond, He preys/thrives on users responding to his hyperbole, name calling,
> and reguritating the same crap over and over again. I started to read and post
> in newsgroups, looking to help others or gaining insight through others posts.
> Many of the news groups, outside of Advocacy where it is appropriate, have
> turned mostly into a battleground for Arlen and those who respond to him.
>
> I rarely read (maybe twice a month) the Mac, iPad, and iPhone related
> newsgroups anymore and when I do, I kill file any with Arlen content. Which
> could be a bad thing, as he might occasionally mention something worth while.
> It might be mixed somewhere in his posts, but I find his name calling and
> barfing the samething over and over again too much to wade through to find
> that small mention of something positive, that I might be able to use.
> Repeating his posts don't assist me either.

Hey... ...you're of course free to handle it in any way that suits you.

You claim your way can work, and I suppose you're correct, but it takes
constant effort on your part to make that happen.

I got tired long ago of constantly updating killfiles, so I handle it in
a way that suits me.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

> Let me phrase the question a different way..

Hi badgolferman,

You, being an adult, can comprehend my response below, but they can't.

You're looking at this issue at too low a level, and you're asking the
adult who chastises the children for what those children did - instead of
asking the children why it is they do the despicable things that they
clearly do.

*Like brazenly lie (for years!) about Apple support that doesn't exist*

Even though I've proven, with respectable links, they lied about that.
I simply tell the facts - which is why they _hate_ me, badgolferman.

They have no _adult_ defense to the facts from security professionals:
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>

They even brazenly deny the facts from Apple herself, badgolferman.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

iOS RSR patches (only available in iOS16+):
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

Given the iKooks have brazenly lied about Apple support for years on end,
I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with them
when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them the truth.

So all they'd have to do is accept the truth, badgolferman, for me to be
civil with them - but they can't accept the truth - which is why they lie.

If these sadistic iKooks simply acted like an intelligent caring adult when
someone asks an innocent question, I'd be as civil to them as I am to you.

Do you remember I've said, many times, my responses in this newsgroup are
always a "mirror" of the intention of the post that I'm responding to?

If any of these despicable heartlessly cruel ignorant uneducated low-life
iKooks ever says something that is intentionally helpful to an innocent
person asking questions, I'll be as nice to them as I would be to you.

> From your perspective, what would it take for there to be a truce
> between you and the others?

I think you misunderstand me since I don't care who it is that says what
they say - as a header - to me - is purely meaningless wrapping paper.

Hell.... I'm convinced Jolly Roger and nospam are the same person anyway,
and, I'm still not sure who "Hank" is but he's someone else on this ng too.

I don't care what anyone's header or signature says (although Alan Browne's
"Trump" signature is hilariously apropos as it's a mirror of his own self).

Usenet is like water under the bridge to me badgolferman.
Each response is an entirely new chance - in and of itself badgolferman.

So what you really want to ask is ask the iKooks to be civil adults.

I've long ago proven by my own actions that...
If nospam was civil - I'd be civil.
If Jolly Roger were to be civil - I'd be civil.
If Alan Browne said something intelligent - I'd heartily agree with him.

All it would take for that so-called "truce" is for them to tell the truth.

nospam = Instead of lies, if he told the truth... I'd be civil.
Alan Browne = Instead of ignorance, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.
JR = Instead of vicious attacks, if he said the truth... I'd be civil.

All it takes for that so-called truce, badgolferman, is for the heartlessly
cruel unprepossessing ignorant uneducated iKooks to act like an adult.

My posts in response to their actions are a mirror of their intentions.
Hence, you're asking the wrong person for that truce.

*Ask the iKooks to simply tell the truth*
*Ask them, for example, how many releases Apple fully supports*
--
My goals on Apple newsgroups are to learn from others and disseminate value
via civil adult discouse - and to show iKooks for exactly what they are.

Wally J wrote:

>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>the truth.

I agree that civility is in short supply in this group. The question
is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen character attacks and
treat others as they would want to be treated. Only an adult could do
that.

Who wants to be an adult and set an example?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-06 12:51, Chris wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-06 01:58, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 05.09.23 um 02:02 schrieb Jolly Roger:
>>>>> On 2023-09-04, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Literally nobody in the Apple newsgroup has said "Apple fully patched
>>>>>>> older releases".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heh heh heh...
>>>>>
>>>>> Little Arlen can't back up his lies, so he giggles and slings schoolyard
>>>>> insults instead. =
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be the bigger Troll than Arlen.
>>>> Why are you feeding this Troll and wasting our time?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you ever seen "Don't feed the Troll" actually work?
>>
>> It very obviously does work otherwise Arlen wouldn't feel the need to
>> nymshift quite so often. He claims it's for "privacy" but that's just
>> bullshit.
>
> I'm sorry, but that proves that it DOESN'T work.
>
> The troll stopping trolling is success.
>
> The troll choosing to troll under a new nym is failure.

The troll changing their behaviour in response to killfiles is very clearly
evidence of cause and effect.

Without an outright ban from an ng there's not much else that's possible
against a persistent irritant. Just adjust your kf and move on.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

>>I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>>them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>>the truth.
>
> I agree that civility is in short supply in this group.

Hi badgolferman,

I realize you're asking the adults how to handle the children, where what
you need to do, is ask the children why they lie about Apple iOS support.

Their brazen lies (for years!) is the cause of the problem we speak of.
Not the effect.

> The question is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen
> character attacks and treat others as they would want to be treated.

You need to understand this "cycle" starts with iKooks brazenly lying that
Apple fully supports older releases is the "cause" (it's not the effect).

> Only an adult could do that.

As an adult, you're supposed to concentrate on cause before effect.

The cause is the iKooks lie whenever they see the truth posted about Apple.
You need to fix the cause.

The cause is the iKooks brazenly lie about Apple support on this ng.

> Who wants to be an adult and set an example?

You need to focus on the cause of the problem you wish to fix - not on the
resulting effect.

The cause is what you will get when you open a thread asking this question.
*How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?*

On 2023-09-09 09:31, Wally J wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> I think what you may mean by a "truce" is for me to be "civil" with
>>> them when they lie and for them to be civil with me when I tell them
>>> the truth.
>>
>> I agree that civility is in short supply in this group.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> I realize you're asking the adults how to handle the children, where what
> you need to do, is ask the children why they lie about Apple iOS support.
>
> Their brazen lies (for years!) is the cause of the problem we speak of.
> Not the effect.
>
>> The question is who is willing to break the cycle of brazen
>> character attacks and treat others as they would want to be treated.
>
> You need to understand this "cycle" starts with iKooks brazenly lying that
> Apple fully supports older releases is the "cause" (it's not the effect).
>
>> Only an adult could do that.
>
> As an adult, you're supposed to concentrate on cause before effect.
>
> The cause is the iKooks lie whenever they see the truth posted about Apple.
> You need to fix the cause.
>
> The cause is the iKooks brazenly lie about Apple support on this ng.
>
>> Who wants to be an adult and set an example?
>
> You need to focus on the cause of the problem you wish to fix - not on the
> resulting effect.
>
> The cause is what you will get when you open a thread asking this question.
> *How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?*

"children"; "children"; "iKooks"; "iKooks"; "iKooks"

So...

....asked to behave as a civil adult, that is your response.

And to be clear, NO:

The essential question is NOT:

"How many iOS releases does Apple say Apple fully supports?"

The actual essential question is:

"How far back are the DEVICES fully supported?"

Adults would I'm sure agree that if any company continued to support
every device they've ever made on their most current OS, then it doesn't
matter whether or not they continue to provide updates of any kind to
older OS versions.

Apple is far from supporting every device, but the current version of
iOS supports:

Back to the iPhone 8 released 6 years ago.