Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first in all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race sessions, but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive early in the season, but finished poorly in August. All other drivers were far behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the 2022 FF trophy, has had a terrible season. He has not raced since June.

Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when this month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the next 2 race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.

Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule him until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying surgery for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that he is out of the running for the entire season now that Doug Floer and Dave McKay, two of the best drivers in the class, are back full time at the track!

On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first in
> all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race sessions,
> but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive early in the
> season, but finished poorly in August. All other drivers were far
> behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the 2022 FF trophy, has
> had a terrible season. He has not raced since June.
>
> Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when this
> month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the next 2
> race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
>
> Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
> (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule him
> until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying surgery
> for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that he is out of
> the running for the entire season now that Doug Floer and Dave McKay,
> two of the best drivers in the class, are back full time at the
> track!

So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of the
time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?

And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying". That's
just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The problem is that
preparing the car for racing, loading it into the trailer, unloading
everything at the track, setting up my paddock space, fuelling the car
and performing other common tasks between sessions, packing up at the
end, and then unloading it all again at my garage...

....those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a hernia.

And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But unfortunately,
because I have a blood condition which requires me to take blood
thinners, there are some locations for surgery that won't accept me as a
patient.

But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a more
acute situation, I'd get it much faster.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> > Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first in
> > all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race sessions,
> > but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive early in the
> > season, but finished poorly in August. All other drivers were far
> > behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the 2022 FF trophy, has
> > had a terrible season. He has not raced since June.
> >
> > Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when this
> > month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the next 2
> > race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
> >
> > Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
> > (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule him
> > until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying surgery
> > for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that he is out of
> > the running for the entire season now that Doug Floer and Dave McKay,
> > two of the best drivers in the class, are back full time at the
> > track!
> So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of the
> time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?
>
> And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying". That's
> just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The problem is that
> preparing the car for racing, loading it into the trailer, unloading
> everything at the track, setting up my paddock space, fuelling the car
> and performing other common tasks between sessions, packing up at the
> end, and then unloading it all again at my garage...
>
> ...those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a hernia.
>
> And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But unfortunately,
> because I have a blood condition which requires me to take blood
> thinners, there are some locations for surgery that won't accept me as a
> patient.
>
> But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a more
> acute situation, I'd get it much faster.

Yes, you beat him about one time out of three. BUT, you are not as good as he is. I'll say it again, you are not as good as Floer, McCall and McKay. Your record proves it.

Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do you understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70 million people? It is available to all with incomes under a threshold. Enrollment is free.

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:33:08 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first in
> > > all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race sessions,
> > > but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive early in the
> > > season, but finished poorly in August. All other drivers were far
> > > behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the 2022 FF trophy, has
> > > had a terrible season. He has not raced since June.
> > >
> > > Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when this
> > > month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the next 2
> > > race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
> > >
> > > Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
> > > (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule him
> > > until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying surgery
> > > for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that he is out of
> > > the running for the entire season now that Doug Floer and Dave McKay,
> > > two of the best drivers in the class, are back full time at the
> > > track!
> > So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of the
> > time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?
> >
> > And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying". That's
> > just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The problem is that
> > preparing the car for racing, loading it into the trailer, unloading
> > everything at the track, setting up my paddock space, fuelling the car
> > and performing other common tasks between sessions, packing up at the
> > end, and then unloading it all again at my garage...
> >
> > ...those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a hernia.
> >
> > And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But unfortunately,
> > because I have a blood condition which requires me to take blood
> > thinners, there are some locations for surgery that won't accept me as a
> > patient.
> >
> > But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a more
> > acute situation, I'd get it much faster.
>
> Yes, you beat him about one time out of three. BUT, you are not as good as he is.
> I'll say it again, you are not as good as Floer, McCall and McKay. Your record proves it.

Doesn't matter because the claim wasn't that Alan's the "best driver". The fact that
Alan was able to win 1/3rd of the time against those who you've admitted are good
indicates an adequate level of parity such that Alan must be considered good too.

> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do you understand
> that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70 million people?
> It is available to all with incomes under a threshold. Enrollment is free..

Alan makes more than $20,120, which means ineligible & moot.

-hh

On 2023-08-24 06:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first
>>> in all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race
>>> sessions, but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive
>>> early in the season, but finished poorly in August. All other
>>> drivers were far behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the
>>> 2022 FF trophy, has had a terrible season. He has not raced since
>>> June.
>>>
>>> Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when
>>> this month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the
>>> next 2 race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
>>>
>>> Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
>>> (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule
>>> him until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying
>>> surgery for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that
>>> he is out of the running for the entire season now that Doug
>>> Floer and Dave McKay, two of the best drivers in the class, are
>>> back full time at the track!
>> So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of
>> the time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?
>>
>> And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying".
>> That's just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The
>> problem is that preparing the car for racing, loading it into the
>> trailer, unloading everything at the track, setting up my paddock
>> space, fuelling the car and performing other common tasks between
>> sessions, packing up at the end, and then unloading it all again at
>> my garage...
>>
>> ...those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a
>> hernia.
>>
>> And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But
>> unfortunately, because I have a blood condition which requires me
>> to take blood thinners, there are some locations for surgery that
>> won't accept me as a patient.
>>
>> But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a
>> more acute situation, I'd get it much faster.
>
> Yes, you beat him about one time out of three. BUT, you are not as
> good as he is. I'll say it again, you are not as good as Floer,
> McCall and McKay. Your record proves it.
>
> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do you
> understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70 million
> people? It is available to all with incomes under a threshold.
> Enrollment is free.

I think HH just answered this at least as well as I could.

But one thing he didn't bring up:

If Medicaid solves all the problems of health care in the US...

....why are so many people in the US (something like 500,000 a year)
forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills?

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:17:33 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:33:08 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first in
> > > > all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race sessions,
> > > > but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive early in the
> > > > season, but finished poorly in August. All other drivers were far
> > > > behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the 2022 FF trophy, has
> > > > had a terrible season. He has not raced since June.
> > > >
> > > > Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when this
> > > > month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the next 2
> > > > race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
> > > >
> > > > Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
> > > > (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule him
> > > > until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying surgery
> > > > for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that he is out of
> > > > the running for the entire season now that Doug Floer and Dave McKay,
> > > > two of the best drivers in the class, are back full time at the
> > > > track!
> > > So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of the
> > > time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?
> > >
> > > And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying". That's
> > > just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The problem is that
> > > preparing the car for racing, loading it into the trailer, unloading
> > > everything at the track, setting up my paddock space, fuelling the car
> > > and performing other common tasks between sessions, packing up at the
> > > end, and then unloading it all again at my garage...
> > >
> > > ...those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a hernia..
> > >
> > > And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But unfortunately,
> > > because I have a blood condition which requires me to take blood
> > > thinners, there are some locations for surgery that won't accept me as a
> > > patient.
> > >
> > > But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a more
> > > acute situation, I'd get it much faster.
> >
> > Yes, you beat him about one time out of three. BUT, you are not as good as he is.
> > I'll say it again, you are not as good as Floer, McCall and McKay. Your record proves it.
> Doesn't matter because the claim wasn't that Alan's the "best driver". The fact that
> Alan was able to win 1/3rd of the time against those who you've admitted are good
> indicates an adequate level of parity such that Alan must be considered good too.
> > Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do you understand
> > that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70 million people?
> > It is available to all with incomes under a threshold. Enrollment is free.
> Alan makes more than $20,120, which means ineligible & moot.
>
>
> -hh

I never said he was not good. I said he is not in the same class as the great FF drivers. Your stat proves it. How do you know how much Alan makes?

On 2023-09-01 07:21, Thomas E. wrote:

>> Doesn't matter because the claim wasn't that Alan's the "best
>> driver". The fact that Alan was able to win 1/3rd of the time
>> against those who you've admitted are good indicates an adequate
>> level of parity such that Alan must be considered good too.
>>> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do
>>> you understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70
>>> million people? It is available to all with incomes under a
>>> threshold. Enrollment is free.
>> Alan makes more than $20,120, which means ineligible & moot.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> I never said he was not good.

Actually, that's precisely what you've previously claimed, you lying
Little Shit.

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:53:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-24 06:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-08-21 08:53, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> Doug Floer continued his recent winning ways by finishing first
> >>> in all 3 races and qualifying. Dave McKay was close in 2 race
> >>> sessions, but still came in second. Robert Fraser was competitive
> >>> early in the season, but finished poorly in August. All other
> >>> drivers were far behind the leaders. Erle Archer, winner of the
> >>> 2022 FF trophy, has had a terrible season. He has not raced since
> >>> June.
> >>>
> >>> Doug Floer will move to the season championship FF lead when
> >>> this month's results are posted by SCCBC. If he shows up for the
> >>> next 2 race weekends he's very likely to win yet another trophy.
> >>>
> >>> Notably, Alan Baker continues to be absent. He claims that the
> >>> (simply awful IMHO) Candian healthcare system cannot schedule
> >>> him until September or October for a minor racing-disqualifying
> >>> surgery for an issue diagnosed months ago. Very convenient that
> >>> he is out of the running for the entire season now that Doug
> >>> Floer and Dave McKay, two of the best drivers in the class, are
> >>> back full time at the track!
> >> So you admit that I've beaten one of those two more than a third of
> >> the time when we raced head to head, right, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> And I never said that the surgery was "racing-disqualifying".
> >> That's just another lie you've made up from a whole cloth. The
> >> problem is that preparing the car for racing, loading it into the
> >> trailer, unloading everything at the track, setting up my paddock
> >> space, fuelling the car and performing other common tasks between
> >> sessions, packing up at the end, and then unloading it all again at
> >> my garage...
> >>
> >> ...those aren't things I'm likely to do while suffering from a
> >> hernia.
> >>
> >> And no: it's NOT convenient. It's very frustrating. But
> >> unfortunately, because I have a blood condition which requires me
> >> to take blood thinners, there are some locations for surgery that
> >> won't accept me as a patient.
> >>
> >> But at least every Canadian CAN get the surgery, and if it were a
> >> more acute situation, I'd get it much faster.
> >
> > Yes, you beat him about one time out of three. BUT, you are not as
> > good as he is. I'll say it again, you are not as good as Floer,
> > McCall and McKay. Your record proves it.
> >
> > Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do you
> > understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70 million
> > people? It is available to all with incomes under a threshold.
> > Enrollment is free.
> I think HH just answered this at least as well as I could.
>
> But one thing he didn't bring up:
>
> If Medicaid solves all the problems of health care in the US...
>
> ...why are so many people in the US (something like 500,000 a year)
> forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills?

Because they can't handle family finances.

https://www.debt.org/bankruptcy/medical/

"As many as 62% of bankruptcies include significant medical debt, according to a study the Maine Law Review. Despite causing so much financial stress, there is no actual “medical bankruptcy.”

"When you file for bankruptcy, you are required to make a list of your debts. That’s stuff like credit cards, mortgages, personal loans, utility bills – all the money you owe but cannot pay."

Total U.S. family bankruptcy incidence is about 750,000 per year. Canada about 100,000, about the same proportion of population. Like the U.S. the incidence has increased over time:

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/boc-review-winter11-12-allen.pdf

"Since 2000, approximately 100,000 Canadians have filed for insolvency
each year. This comprises mostly bankruptcies and is triple the annual
number of bankruptcies in the 1980s."

On 2023-09-01 08:06, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do
>>> you understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70
>>> million people? It is available to all with incomes under a
>>> threshold. Enrollment is free.
>> I think HH just answered this at least as well as I could.
>>
>> But one thing he didn't bring up:
>>
>> If Medicaid solves all the problems of health care in the US...
>>
>> ...why are so many people in the US (something like 500,000 a
>> year) forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills?
>
> Because they can't handle family finances.

A cozy belief for you, I'm sure.

>
> https://www.debt.org/bankruptcy/medical/
>
> "As many as 62% of bankruptcies include significant medical debt,
> according to a study the Maine Law Review. Despite causing so much
> financial stress, there is no actual “medical bankruptcy.”

That's not the great rebuttal you seem to think it is.

>
> "When you file for bankruptcy, you are required to make a list of
> your debts. That’s stuff like credit cards, mortgages, personal
> loans, utility bills – all the money you owe but cannot pay."
>
> Total U.S. family bankruptcy incidence is about 750,000 per year.
> Canada about 100,000, about the same proportion of population. Like
> the U.S. the incidence has increased over time:
>
> https://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/boc-review-winter11-12-allen.pdf
>
> "Since 2000, approximately 100,000 Canadians have filed for
> insolvency each year. This comprises mostly bankruptcies and is
> triple the annual number of bankruptcies in the 1980s."
>

"Bank of Canada Review • winter 2011–2012"

More than a decade out of date.

AND you provide no source for your claim of US rates.

Shocking, I tell you.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:42:58 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-01 07:21, Thomas E. wrote:
>
> >> Doesn't matter because the claim wasn't that Alan's the "best
> >> driver". The fact that Alan was able to win 1/3rd of the time
> >> against those who you've admitted are good indicates an adequate
> >> level of parity such that Alan must be considered good too.
> >>> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do
> >>> you understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70
> >>> million people? It is available to all with incomes under a
> >>> threshold. Enrollment is free.
> >> Alan makes more than $20,120, which means ineligible & moot.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > I never said he was not good.
> Actually, that's precisely what you've previously claimed, you lying
> Little Shit.

No Alan, I said you were the best of the second rate drivers. That's good, but not excellent.

On 2023-09-26 17:47, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:42:58 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-01 07:21, Thomas E. wrote:
>>
>>>> Doesn't matter because the claim wasn't that Alan's the "best
>>>> driver". The fact that Alan was able to win 1/3rd of the time
>>>> against those who you've admitted are good indicates an adequate
>>>> level of parity such that Alan must be considered good too.
>>>>> Every American could get that surgery. Medicaid would fund it. Do
>>>>> you understand that Medicaid has no premiums and covers over 70
>>>>> million people? It is available to all with incomes under a
>>>>> threshold. Enrollment is free.
>>>> Alan makes more than $20,120, which means ineligible & moot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> I never said he was not good.
>> Actually, that's precisely what you've previously claimed, you lying
>> Little Shit.
>
> No Alan, I said you were the best of the second rate drivers. That's good, but not excellent.

Sorry, but you're a liar.