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* Programming ContextFarley Flud
+- Re: Programming ContextChris Ahlstrom
+* Re: Programming Contextrbowman
|+- Re: Programming ContextFarley Flud
|`- Re: Programming ContextLawrence D'Oliveiro
+* Re: Programming ContextPhysfitfreak
|`* Re: Programming ContextFarley Flud
| `- Re: Programming ContextPhysfitfreak
+* Re: Programming ContextLawrence D'Oliveiro
|+* Re: Programming Contextcandycanearter07
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||`- Re: Programming ContextLawrence D'Oliveiro
|`- Re: Programming ContextRonB
+* Re: Programming ContextDFS
|`* Re: Programming ContextJoel
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 by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20 UTC

I laugh at these stupid conventional mutherfucking assholes
who extol the use of tabs/spaces to delineate programming
context.

I don't like spaces or tabs. I want EVERY FUCKING THING to
be LEFT JUSTIFIED (kissing the fucking wall).

For my fantastic and unparalleled programs I use LINES to
delineate context.

(That's line feeds. you fucking idiot.)

Lines are like VERTICAL tabs/spaces, and if needed (which
is most often true) I will add comments to the opening and
closing brackets to further solidify the context.

Whoever recommends HORIZONTAL tabs/spaces for context formatting
is a fucking lame fucking namby-pamby conventional fucking asshole
that is devoid of all independent and creative thought.

Heed my fucking words!

If you got any fucking brains they will slowly sink in and
you will follow my every directive.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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 by: Chris Ahlstrom - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:56 UTC

Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <I doth snippeth>

I recommend adding 0x0C characters to your code. Great for printouts,
should you desire that crutch.

:-D

--
Steady movement is more important than speed, much of the time. So long
as there is a regular progression of stimuli to get your mental hooks
into, there is room for lateral movement. Once this begins, its rate is
a matter of discretion. -- Corwin, Prince of Amber

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 by: rbowman - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:31 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> For my fantastic and unparalleled programs I use LINES to delineate
> context.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fantastic

"The adjective fantastic has two meanings — extraordinarily brilliant or
ludicrously far-fetched. "

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 by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:59 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 21:31:15 GMT, rbowman wrote:

>
> "The adjective fantastic has two meanings — extraordinarily brilliant or
> ludicrously far-fetched. "
>

But YOU only have one meaning:

Asshole idiot.

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From: physfitfreak@gmail.com (Physfitfreak)
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Subject: Re: Programming Context
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 by: Physfitfreak - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:59 UTC

On 4/23/24 15:20, Farley Flud wrote:
> I laugh at these stupid conventional mutherfucking assholes
> who extol the use of tabs/spaces to delineate programming
> context.
>
> I don't like spaces or tabs. I want EVERY FUCKING THING to
> be LEFT JUSTIFIED (kissing the fucking wall).
>
> For my fantastic and unparalleled programs I use LINES to
> delineate context.
>
> (That's line feeds. you fucking idiot.)
>
> Lines are like VERTICAL tabs/spaces, and if needed (which
> is most often true) I will add comments to the opening and
> closing brackets to further solidify the context.
>
> Whoever recommends HORIZONTAL tabs/spaces for context formatting
> is a fucking lame fucking namby-pamby conventional fucking asshole
> that is devoid of all independent and creative thought.
>
> Heed my fucking words!
>
> If you got any fucking brains they will slowly sink in and
> you will follow my every directive.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>
>

Could you post a sample?

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:41 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> I want EVERY FUCKING THING to be LEFT JUSTIFIED ...

There is no “left” or “right” justified. “Justification” means filling out
the line with text.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:42 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 21:31:15 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> For my fantastic and unparalleled programs I use LINES to delineate
>> context.
>
> https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fantastic
>
> "The adjective fantastic has two meanings — extraordinarily brilliant or
> ludicrously far-fetched. "

And a “fantasist” is someone associated with one of those things, but not
the other.

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 by: Farley Flud - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 11:39 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:59:17 -0500, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> Could you post a sample?
>

===========================
From this (conventional):
===========================

// open to read file or stdin
if (argc > 2) {
if(!strcmp(argv[2],"-")) {
fd = stdin; ft=1;
} else {
fd = fopen(argv[2],"r");
if (NULL == fd) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to open '%s': %s\n", argv[1], strerror(errno));
exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
}
}
} else {
fd = stdin; ft=1;
}

===================
To this (mine):
===================

// open to read file or stdin
if (argc > 2) { //outer if

if(!strcmp(argv[2],"-")) { //inner if
fd = stdin; ft=1;
}

else { //inner else
fd = fopen(argv[2],"r");

if (NULL == fd) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to open '%s': %s\n", argv[1], strerror(errno));
exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
}

} //end inner else

} //end outer if

else { //outer else
fd = stdin; ft=1;
}

Comments could be better, and colorizing would be best.

Recall that the first written languages, like Chinese, went
up to down, i.e. vertically.

The human brain prefers a vertical orientation when grasping
sections.

When dealing with deeply nested structure, the horizontal indents
will literally start pushing code way off the page. In such
cases vertical indentation is almost mandatory.

Others will object and criticize, but then their brains are
not human.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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 by: DFS - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:36 UTC

On 4/23/2024 4:20 PM, Farley Flud wrote:

> Heed my fucking words!

"Black girls are the best fuck by far."

I'll pass.

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 by: DFS - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:37 UTC

On 4/23/2024 4:20 PM, Lightheaded Larry wrote:

> my fantastic and unparalleled programs

Snap out of it. They SUCK.

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 by: Joel - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:47 UTC

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 4/23/2024 4:20 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> Heed my fucking words!
>
>"Black girls are the best fuck by far."
>
>
>I'll pass.

You believe a black chick would fuck his nerdy ass? Heh.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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 by: DFS - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:47 UTC

On 4/24/2024 8:47 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 4/23/2024 4:20 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> Heed my fucking words!
>>
>> "Black girls are the best fuck by far."
>>
>>
>> I'll pass.
>
>
> You believe a black chick would fuck his nerdy ass? Heh.

ha!

Money makes people do crazy things.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:40 UTC

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:41 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> I want EVERY FUCKING THING to be LEFT JUSTIFIED ...
>
> There is no “left” or “right” justified. “Justification” means filling out
> the line with text.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_alignment
Huh, apparently it's called "flush left/right" officially. Every program
I've used call it left/right justification.
--
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 by: RonB - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 16:25 UTC

On 2024-04-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> I want EVERY FUCKING THING to be LEFT JUSTIFIED ...
>
> There is no “left” or “right” justified. “Justification” means filling out
> the line with text.

Actually in the printing business there is left and right justification —
along with full justification (usually just called justification).

Justification refers to the alignment of text within a given area in a
document.

Text can be left-justified (aligned to the left margin), right-justified
(aligned to the right margin), centered, or fully justified (aligned with
both margins).

https://www.solopress.com/glossary/justification/

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

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 by: RonB - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 16:35 UTC

On 2024-04-24, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:41 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:20:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> I want EVERY FUCKING THING to be LEFT JUSTIFIED ...
>>
>> There is no “left” or “right” justified. “Justification” means filling out
>> the line with text.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_alignment
> Huh, apparently it's called "flush left/right" officially. Every program
> I've used call it left/right justification.

That's also how printers usually refer to it (left justified) — at least in
the U.S. But I've also heard them use "flush left" and "left aligned."

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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 by: DFS - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 18:14 UTC

On 4/23/2024 4:20 PM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote:

> I don't like spaces or tabs. I want EVERY FUCKING THING to
> be LEFT JUSTIFIED (kissing the fucking wall).

Employers won't accept such bumbling. But you're unemployable as a
programmer, so you can write all the left-justified crap-code you want.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:53 UTC

On 4/24/24 06:39, Farley Flud wrote:
> Recall that the first written languages, like Chinese, went
> up to down, i.e. vertically.
>
> The human brain prefers a vertical orientation when grasping
> sections.
>
> When dealing with deeply nested structure, the horizontal indents
> will literally start pushing code way off the page. In such
> cases vertical indentation is almost mandatory.

Vertical doesn't require comparison with stuff written earlier in the
code to sense the grouping, so you have a point there. Makes it faster
to read.

In the conventional way, when code groupings takes them too far to the
right, it can be remedied by creating a function or a subroutine to
shorten the width.

For me, the ideal way has been to use an IDE that separates groups
horizontally, but also draws a vertical line to connect the beginning
and end statements of each group. There was one and I used it years
back, now I don't know which IDE it was. It really helped with eye
fatigue that's formed by constantly trying to imagine the groupings
without such lines, and only using the relative indentations between them.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:18 UTC

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Every program I've used call it left/right justification.

No idea what kind of programs you’ve used, then. The proper term is “left/
right alignment”.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 00:53 UTC

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:32:53 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Google/Wiktionary says:
>
> "left-justified". Adjective.
>
> Of text, laid out so that all lines start at the same distance
> from the left-hand edge of the page.

Here
<https://www.deviantart.com/default-cube/art/Text-Align-Justify-521316812>,
for the hard of thinking, is a pictorial illustration of the
difference.

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 by: rbowman - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 02:02 UTC

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Every program I've used call it left/right justification.
>
> No idea what kind of programs you’ve used, then. The proper term is
> “left/
> right alignment”.

I think of alignment more in the context of string formatting where you'er
specifying a field width and whether the first character will be at the
beginning of the field or the last character will be at the end of the
field with leading space padding if necessary.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:28 UTC

On 4/24/24 21:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Every program I've used call it left/right justification.
>>
>> No idea what kind of programs you’ve used, then. The proper term is
>> “left/
>> right alignment”.
>
> I think of alignment more in the context of string formatting where you'er
> specifying a field width and whether the first character will be at the
> beginning of the field or the last character will be at the end of the
> field with leading space padding if necessary.

Left-justified and left-aligned are two different features. Jesus.

A quoted paragraph in the middle of left-justified texts can have
indentation compared to the text above and below, and yet be
"left-aligned".

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 by: RonB - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 07:36 UTC

On 2024-04-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
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>> Every program I've used call it left/right justification.
>
> No idea what kind of programs you’ve used, then. The proper term is “left/
> right alignment”.

English language usage changes. The meaning of "left justified" is clear to
most English speakers.

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 by: RonB - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 07:42 UTC

On 2024-04-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:32:53 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
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>> Google/Wiktionary says:
>>
>> "left-justified". Adjective.
>>
>> Of text, laid out so that all lines start at the same distance
>> from the left-hand edge of the page.
>
> Here
><https://www.deviantart.com/default-cube/art/Text-Align-Justify-521316812>,
> for the hard of thinking, is a pictorial illustration of the
> difference.

I think the concept is already clear to most of us, whether we use the term
"left justified", "left aligned" or "flush left." But if you need the chart
for clarification, then I'm glad it's there for you.

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