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* Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Ralf
+* Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Chris Newman
|`* Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Ralf
| +- Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Chris Newman
| `* Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Stuart
|  `- Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Ralf
`* Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Doug Webb
 `* Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Doug Webb
  `- Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28Ralf

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From: r.wissing@smart-mail.de (Ralf)
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Subject: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28
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 by: Ralf - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 04:14 UTC

After some time with other systems i now returned after a long time to
Risc OS on a Raspberry Pi. I wanted to get again going with Squeak (which
i had running on Riscos some time ago), but both offered Versions 4.0 and
4.42 are crashing when i try to start them... both with the message
"Illegal Window Handle" and "Return Code to large".

Has anyone perhaps encountered a similiar problem and can me give a hint
how to resolve that problem?

Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28

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From: cvjazz@waitrose.com (Chris Newman)
Subject: Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28
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 by: Chris Newman - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 20:00 UTC

In article <59d2a5b9fer.wissing@smart-mail.de>, Ralf
<r.wissing@smart-mail.de> wrote:
> After some time with other systems i now returned after a long time to
> Risc OS on a Raspberry Pi. I wanted to get again going with Squeak
> (which i had running on Riscos some time ago), but both offered
> Versions 4.0 and 4.42 are crashing when i try to start them... both
> with the message "Illegal Window Handle" and "Return Code to large".

> Has anyone perhaps encountered a similiar problem and can me give a
> hint how to resolve that problem?

Excuse my ignorance but what is "Squeak?"

--
Chris Newman

Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28

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From: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com (Doug Webb)
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Subject: Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28
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 by: Doug Webb - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 11:12 UTC

In message <59d2a5b9fer.wissing@smart-mail.de>
Ralf <r.wissing@smart-mail.de> wrote:

> After some time with other systems i now returned after a long time to
> Risc OS on a Raspberry Pi. I wanted to get again going with Squeak (which
> i had running on Riscos some time ago), but both offered Versions 4.0 and
> 4.42 are crashing when i try to start them... both with the message
> "Illegal Window Handle" and "Return Code to large".

> Has anyone perhaps encountered a similiar problem and can me give a hint
> how to resolve that problem?
Hi Ralf,

I do get the occasional issue you mention on 4.4 though 4.6 does seem more
stable and I have recently updated it via the built in update.

A reboot usually cures it.

This is both on a ARMX6 and RaspberryPi4 running 5.29.

I also have Scratch 1.4 running here as well.

I did have some correspondance with Tim Rowledge about Squeak and Scratch
and he did some updates about 3 years back as one of the MUG members very
kindly provided him with an updated ROOL C update.

--
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PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5 & Titanium powered by RISC OS
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 by: Doug Webb - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:36 UTC

> I do get the occasional issue you mention on 4.4 though 4.6 does seem more
> stable and I have recently updated it via the built in update.

> A reboot usually cures it.

I have now altered the free object memory set aside when starting from
160Mb to 240Mb

/<Squeak$Dir>.!RunImage -memory:240m %*0

The change can be set in the !Run file as well as you can push it to use
DynamicArea memory even on RISCOS 5 with the -useDA attribute.

Just read the attribute bits in the !Run file and alter as required.

Hope that helps

--
Experience the future using ARM Technology - ARMBook,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5 & Titanium powered by RISC OS
5.28.

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From: r.wissing@smart-mail.de (Ralf)
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Subject: Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28
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 by: Ralf - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 06:59 UTC

In article <92dee0d359.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>,
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hope that helps

Hi, thank you for your tips! After all, i (ssemingly) found the issue in a
different corner... at least now it runs: I had my OS running in ARMv5
compatibility mode, i just tried to set it to ARMv7 strict mode, and now
Squeak runs perfectly stable.

Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28

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From: r.wissing@smart-mail.de (Ralf)
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Subject: Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28
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 by: Ralf - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 07:03 UTC

In article <59d3802da5cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance but what is "Squeak?"

Squeak is a Smalltalk dialect, an really nice to work with that is. If you
are interested a look at https://www.squeak.org may be worth ist.

Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28

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 by: Chris Newman - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 16:09 UTC

In article <59d2b5383cr.wissing@smart-mail.de>, Ralf
<r.wissing@smart-mail.de> wrote:
> In article <59d3802da5cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
> <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> > Excuse my ignorance but what is "Squeak?"

> Squeak is a Smalltalk dialect, an really nice to work with that is. If
> you are interested a look at https://www.squeak.org may be worth ist.

Ta.

--
Chris Newman

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 by: Stuart - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:31 UTC

In article <59d2b5383cr.wissing@smart-mail.de>,
Ralf <r.wissing@smart-mail.de> wrote:
> In article <59d3802da5cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> > Excuse my ignorance but what is "Squeak?"

> Squeak is a Smalltalk dialect, an really nice to work with that is. If you
> are interested a look at https://www.squeak.org may be worth

Apparently it's another programming language so why not say so?

--
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Re: Squeak 4.42 crashes on Risc OS 5.28

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 by: Ralf - Fri, 8 Apr 2022 17:52 UTC

In article <59d50383cdSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Apparently it's another programming language so why not say so?

Its... complicated ;-) Yes, smalltalk (and Squeak as its subset) is - on
the one hand - just another programming language, on the other hand its a
complete programming environment, a virtual machine with a complete
desktop environment (or better: it could be used in this way)...

Its just a whole lot stuff to fanboy about.

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