Hi,

for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth device.
Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any ideas how to
fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)

You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
providing icons for connected devices and others.

Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?
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In comp.os.linux.misc Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
>> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
>> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
>> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
>
> You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used.

I was all excited about there being a new version of Tint, my
favourite Tetris clone. :)

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tint2 seems to segfault nowadays because of recent changes in glib.
However, the code is frozen because – as it seems – the maintainer
does not want to update it anymore:

https://gitlab.com/o9000/tint2/-/commit/f3aa2ef0c61838ce16a88733e4d31990c5b5cdf2

You could try xfce4-panel, which does similar things,
or hope for the fork to gain some momentum:

https://gitlab.com/nick87720z/tint2/

How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

On 14/11/2023 07:38, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

I have been around Unix/Linux for 38 years and have never heard of either.

*plonk*

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On 14.11.23 08:38, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

*LOL*. Bullshit!

FUP2 ignored

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On 14.11.23 10:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 07:38, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
>> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
>> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
>> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
>
> I have been around Unix/Linux for 38 years and have never heard of either.
>
> *plonk*

+1

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+2

btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.

On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
> +2
>
> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.

Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads. Regulars do.

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
> > btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> > confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
>
> Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
> Regulars do.
>

well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
*eot*

On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
>> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
>> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
>> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
>
> You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
> search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
> providing icons for connected devices and others.

Sorry

> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?

I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
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On 2023-11-13 20:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth device.
> Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any ideas how to
> fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)

If there is a coredump, I suggest you create a bug report with your
distribution.

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vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> writes:

> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.

Proper quoting to me means quoting the relevant part that you're
commenting on.

On 14.11.23 12:21, vamastah wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>>> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>>> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
>>
>> Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
>> Regulars do.
>>
>
> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*

Are you completely new to the Usenet?

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On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>> > btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>> > confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
>>
>> Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
>> Regulars do.
>>
>
> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*
>

I've quoted. In this case, the relevant context is the whole text of the
post I'm replying to. A question is whether the following would be
sufficient for you to understand the quoted post, especially if it were
not your own:

On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*

In this case, just this does not identify what is it that you find
superfluous and possibly messy.

Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could have
removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put your
latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when I narrow
down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to you: I've seen
"<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other examples. (I mean
doing something like:

On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>> > btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>> > confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
[...]
> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*

)

(If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients or
extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse quoted
text by default. It's possible such a feature will have issues in corner
cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but should work well
enough most of the time? (But I don't use a feature like that myself,
hopefully someone else will be able to give you more or better advice on
this topic.))

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On 2023-11-14, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
>>> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
>>> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
>>> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
>>
>> You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
>> search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
>> providing icons for connected devices and others.
>
> Sorry
>
>> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?
>
> I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
> reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?

I use openbox with lxpanel

On 2023-11-14 19:09, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

....

> Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
> between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
> relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could have
> removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put your
> latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when I narrow
> down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to you: I've seen
> "<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other examples. (I mean
> doing something like:
>
> On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
>
>>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>>>> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>>>> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
> [...]
>> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
>> *eot*
>
> )
>
> (If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients or
> extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse quoted
> text by default. It's possible such a feature will have issues in corner
> cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but should work well
> enough most of the time? (But I don't use a feature like that myself,
> hopefully someone else will be able to give you more or better advice on
> this topic.))

I would advise against collapsing quotes by default, unless you find an
IA for doing it. Yes, the quoted part can be overly too large often, but
hiding it all removes the entire context for the answer and may lead the
reader to understand it wrongly. I have seen it happen.

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On 2023-11-14 14:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

>
>> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes
>> with?

What are those functions?

That way we might offer better help.

>
> I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
> reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?

Ah, I see that. The message says:

Alert

The author of this message has requested that responses be
sent only to the author. If you also want to reply to the
newsgroup, add a new row to the addressing area, choose
Newsgroup from the recipients list, and enter the name
of the newsgroup.

This is because he has this header:

Followup-To: poster

I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
paste them).

It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters here
are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:38:04 +0100, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
>
> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

Where have I flamed?

Not using the manager he used I did a quick look what it could be (the OT
should mention it).

Using Linux since a quarter of a century this year I never heard about
tint2. I doubt many others. But I guessed correctly that it was for a(ny)
window manager. Openbox seems to just be an example.

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tint2>

| tint2 is a simple, unobtrusive and light panel for Xorg. It can be
| configured to include a system tray, a task list, a battery monitor
| and more. Its look is configurable and it only has few dependencies,
| making it ideal for window managers like Openbox, that do not come
| with a panel. ^^^^

Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set it. Thus I
ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 22:04:10 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> On 2023-11-14 14:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2
>>> comes with?
>
> What are those functions?

That to find out was implied by my (this) question. :-)

> That way we might offer better help.
>
>> I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some
>> reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
>
> Ah, I see that. The message says:
>
> Alert
>
> The author of this message has requested that responses be
> sent only to the author. If you also want to reply to the
> newsgroup, add a new row to the addressing area, choose
> Newsgroup from the recipients list, and enter the name
> of the newsgroup.
>
> This is because he has this header:
>
> Followup-To: poster
>
> I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
> address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
> paste them).

While accusing me of flaming he also did not announce the F'up2
poster. Luckily my client also catches these things, and lets me decide
how to go from there.

> It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters
> here are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).

Nice!

I didn't even cared to check his email address for validity.

~$ host lenovo.lan
Host lenovo.lan not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

What a c**t! (Yeah, that's a flame)
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In comp.os.linux.x, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> I was all excited about there being a new version of Tint, my
> favourite Tetris clone. :)

https://github.com/Eli-the-Bearded/notint

Elijah
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On 2023-11-15 02:07, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:38:04 +0100, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
>> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
>> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
>
> Where have I flamed?

I didn't see any flames in your post.

>
> Not using the manager he used I did a quick look what it could be (the OT
> should mention it).
>
> Using Linux since a quarter of a century this year I never heard about
> tint2. I doubt many others. But I guessed correctly that it was for a(ny)
> window manager. Openbox seems to just be an example.
>
> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tint2>
>
> | tint2 is a simple, unobtrusive and light panel for Xorg. It can be
> | configured to include a system tray, a task list, a battery monitor
> | and more. Its look is configurable and it only has few dependencies,
> | making it ideal for window managers like Openbox, that do not come
> | with a panel. ^^^^
>
> Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set it. Thus I
> ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!

Followup-To: poster

Thunderbird replaces "poster" with the address in "From". Maybe Emacs is
missing a feature :-p

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On 14/11/2023 21:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> This is because he has this header:
>
>   Followup-To: poster
>
> I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his
> address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy
> paste them).
>
> It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters here
> are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).

Of course. We have been around the internet long enough to understand
the downsides of revealing our true identities to every nutjob and web
crawler.

Usenet has no rules as such. There is only what people choose to do, and
if what they do offends there is the kill file.

It is a pity that governments do not allow similar freedoms outside of it.

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On 15/11/2023 01:13, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> Nice!
>
> I didn't even cared to check his email address for validity.
>
> ~$ host lenovo.lan
> Host lenovo.lan not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
>
> What a c**t! (Yeah, that's a flame)

Well, amazingly idiotic, for sure.

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