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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 04:24 UTC

I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an ability
to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever situation
you encounter.

The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing things
is no longer fit for purpose.

Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
are.

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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:10 UTC

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 04:24 this Tuesday (GMT):
> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an ability
> to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever situation
> you encounter.
>
> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing things
> is no longer fit for purpose.
>
> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
> tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
> are.

Interesting, I've never heard that phrase before. I'm absolutely going
to try and sneak it into conversation :)
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by: DFS - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:26 UTC

On 4/23/2024 12:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an ability
> to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever situation
> you encounter.
>
> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing things
> is no longer fit for purpose.
>
> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
> tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
> are.

bwa!

Nice pwnage of that party-of-1 systemd-hating wackjob Feeb.

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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50 UTC

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 15:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 4/23/2024 12:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
>> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an ability
>> to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever situation
>> you encounter.
>>
>> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
>> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing things
>> is no longer fit for purpose.
>>
>> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
>> tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
>> are.
>
> bwa!
>
> Nice pwnage of that party-of-1 systemd-hating wackjob Feeb.

I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
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by: Andrzej Matuch - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:16 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 15:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On 4/23/2024 12:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
>>> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an
>>> ability to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever
>>> situation you encounter.
>>>
>>> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
>>> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing
>>> things is no longer fit for purpose.
>>>
>>> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters,
>>> and tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would
>>> say they are.
>>
>> bwa!
>>
>> Nice pwnage of that party-of-1 systemd-hating wackjob Feeb.
>
>
> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.

Because it removes some of the control users have over the services run on
their system. The alternative is much worse, but they resist change in all
forms.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:30 UTC

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 17:16 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 15:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On 4/23/2024 12:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
>>>> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an
>>>> ability to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever
>>>> situation you encounter.
>>>>
>>>> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
>>>> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing
>>>> things is no longer fit for purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters,
>>>> and tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would
>>>> say they are.
>>>
>>> bwa!
>>>
>>> Nice pwnage of that party-of-1 systemd-hating wackjob Feeb.
>>
>>
>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>
> Because it removes some of the control users have over the services run on
> their system. The alternative is much worse, but they resist change in all
> forms.

Oh.
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by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:03 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 04:24:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>
> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
> tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
> are.
>

"You" would say? Who the fuck are you? Just another crippled ignoramus
framework jockey. That's all.

The "d" represents "daemon" which is something that runs in the background
in order to react to signals.

GNU/Linux does not require daemons unless compelled by the user for a specific
purpose. It certainly does not require system wide daemons for all purposes
designated by IBM/RedHat.

IBM/RedHat, and their daemons, is oriented toward enterprise "cloud" computing
and doesn't give a flying fuck about desktop workstations.

But the desktop workstation user doesn't give a flying fuck about them.

Hail Gentoo!

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by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:06 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 17:16:02 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>
> Because it removes some of the control users have over the services run on
> their system. The alternative is much worse, but they resist change in all
> forms.
>

Fuck you!

You're just another distro lackey that can't create a GNU/Linux from
scratch.

You have no choice but to allow the distros to make all choices for
you.

Get the fuck out here!

GNU/Linux demands technically competent people and you don't qualify.

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by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:08 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

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> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>

Fucking stupid inarticulate ass wipe. Can't get more than
a single lame sentence out before his retarded brain drops
from mental exhaustion.

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by: vallor - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:21 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:08:08 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
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> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>>
>
> Fucking stupid inarticulate ass wipe. Can't get more than
> a single lame sentence out before his retarded brain drops
> from mental exhaustion.

Whereas, Feeb can fill the screen with lame sentences.

--
-v

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by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:22 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:10:10 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

>
> Interesting, I've never heard that phrase before. I'm absolutely going
> to try and sneak it into conversation :)
>

"Conversation?" Who the fuck would ever want to converse with
you?

You would pass put after two measly sentences.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Truth is always hilarious.

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by: vallor - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:28 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:06:04 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
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> GNU/Linux demands technically competent people and you don't qualify.

So when is Feeb going to show evidence that he can build
his newsreader -- pan -- from scratch?

Hint #1: It's using cmake now.

Hint #2: To build the latest, he'll need to fix one of
the link.txt files.

He's only a distro lackey, you know...

Ha ha ha hjarf!

--
-v

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by: Farley Flud - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:51 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:28:02 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

>
> Hint #1: It's using cmake now.
>

With GNU/Autotools, all of the build options can be gleaned
by executing:

../configure --help

How can all build options be gleaned with Cmake?

Huh? How?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Better let momma distro do it all for you.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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by: Chris Ahlstrom - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:01 UTC

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 15:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On 4/23/2024 12:24 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> I recently discovered this French phrase, “Système D”, where the D is
>>>> supposed to stand for “debrouillardise”. It basically refers to an
>>>> ability to improvise and adapt your way around challenges, in whatever
>>>> situation you encounter.
>>>>
>>>> The opposite of that, of course, would be a rigid inflexibility, an
>>>> unwillingness to recognize that your old, traditional way of doing
>>>> things is no longer fit for purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters,
>>>> and tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would
>>>> say they are.
>>>
>>> bwa!
>>>
>>> Nice pwnage of that party-of-1 systemd-hating wackjob Feeb.
>>
>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>
> Because it removes some of the control users have over the services run on
> their system. The alternative is much worse, but they resist change in all
> forms.

I don't think it removes control, it's just a more efficient way to start/stop
"services" (if you should pardon the expression).

I use "systemctl --user" for starting/stopping mpd, for example.

And of course you can, if careful, add and removed automatic "services".

--
Habit is habit, and not to be flung out of the window by any man, but coaxed
down-stairs a step at a time.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar

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by: Chris Ahlstrom - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:04 UTC

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:08:08 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
> <17c90198bdd10387$50753$2854538$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>>>
>>
>> Fucking stupid inarticulate ass wipe. Can't get more than
>> a single lame sentence out before his retarded brain drops
>> from mental exhaustion.
>
> Whereas, Feeb can fill the screen with lame sentences.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

(I love the vi "." key)

--
"You have been in Afghanistan, I perceive."
-- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Study in Scarlet"

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by: Chris Ahlstrom - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:07 UTC

Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 04:24:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Relevance? Look at the small, but shrill phalanx of systemd-haters, and
>> tell me: would you say they are lacking in “Système D”? I would say they
>> are.
>
> "You" would say? Who the fuck are you? Just another crippled ignoramus
> framework jockey. That's all.
>
> The "d" represents "daemon" which is something that runs in the background
> in order to react to signals.
>
> GNU/Linux does not require daemons unless compelled by the user for a specific
> purpose. It certainly does not require system wide daemons for all purposes
> designated by IBM/RedHat.

Lay off the psilocybin.

--
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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:20 UTC

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 21:04 this Tuesday (GMT):
> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:08:08 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
>> <17c90198bdd10387$50753$2854538$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fucking stupid inarticulate ass wipe. Can't get more than
>>> a single lame sentence out before his retarded brain drops
>>> from mental exhaustion.
>>
>> Whereas, Feeb can fill the screen with lame sentences.
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> (I love the vi "." key)

I thought the paste key was p?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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by: rbowman - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:26 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:20:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I thought the paste key was p?

'.' repeats the last action so if you go into insert, add ' ha', and exit
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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:32 UTC

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 21:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:20:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I thought the paste key was p?
>
> '.' repeats the last action so if you go into insert, add ' ha', and exit
> insert mode '.' will insert ' ha'. 'p' inserts whatever is in the
> default buffer.

Interesting, I didn't know that.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:51 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:03:05 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> But the desktop workstation user doesn't give a flying fuck about them.

systemd supports user-session services as well. Modern GUIs need that sort
of thing now.

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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:55 UTC

On 23 Apr 2024 17:16:02 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>
> Because it removes some of the control users have over the services run
> on their system.

I don’t see why. It gives you very fine-grained control.

For example, with sysvinit, if you don’t like the existing sysvinit
script, you have to write an entire new one (perhaps copying/pasting from
the existing one). With systemd, you can create “drop-in” unit files that
modify an existing config without replacing it completely. Much less work
for small changes.

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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:56 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:51:22 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> How can all build options be gleaned with Cmake?

ccmake lists all the options with their descriptions, and lets you go
through and examine/set them.

Or you can just look in the CMakeLists.txt files. They’re much easier to
understand than an automatically-generated configure script.

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by: Joel - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 22:24 UTC

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:50:08 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I don't get why, but systemd hate is pretty common.
>
>Fucking stupid inarticulate ass wipe. Can't get more than
>a single lame sentence out before his retarded brain drops
>from mental exhaustion.

Listen up, Russell, asshole, fuckwad, moron. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT
fuck with candycanearter07. They are the best poster we even have.
Fuck the fuck off.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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by: Joel - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 22:25 UTC

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:10:10 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Interesting, I've never heard that phrase before. I'm absolutely going
>> to try and sneak it into conversation :)
>
>"Conversation?" Who the fuck would ever want to converse with
>you?
>
>You would pass put after two measly sentences.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>Truth is always hilarious.

I'm warning you, fucker, shut your piehole.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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by: vallor - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:36 UTC

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:51:22 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
<17c903f4b16388f5$174645$3340453$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:28:02 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>>
>> Hint #1: It's using cmake now.
>>
>
> With GNU/Autotools, all of the build options can be gleaned
> by executing:
>
> ./configure --help
>
>
> How can all build options be gleaned with Cmake?
>
> Huh? How?

Clearly, you don't know of the tool that lets you set
them.

Stop embarrasing yourself, be civil, ask the question in
good faith, and maybe someone will clue you in about
the tool to use, and how to use it.

BTW, my distro's cmake isn't new enough to build pan, so I have
my own installation of cmake in /usr/local. YMMV.

--
-v

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Re: Système D	candycanearter07
Re: Système D	Farley Flud
Re: Russell's tiny dick	Joel
Re: Russell's tiny dick	%
Re: Système D	DFS
Re: Système D	candycanearter07
Re: Système D	Andrzej Matuch
Re: Système D	candycanearter07
Re: Système D	Farley Flud
Re: Système D	vallor
Re: Système D	Farley Flud
Re: Système D	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Système D	vallor
Re: Système D	Farley Flud
Re: Système D	vallor
Re: Système D	vallor
Re: Système D	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: Système D	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Système D	Farley Flud
Re: Système D	vallor
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Re: Système D	candycanearter07
Re: Système D	rbowman
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Re: Système D	rbowman
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Re: Système D	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: Système D	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: Asshole Russell	Joel
Re: Asshole Russell	candycanearter07
Re: Asshole Russell	Joel
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