Gato wrote:

> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.

Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.

The gift of my information is not in the headers - but in the message body.

The headers are almost arbitrary (I don't even choose them, just as I don't
choose my timezone nor my encoding nor any line in the header). They all
come out of a dictionary lookup that is locked down per identity & ng.

As for the main point, the point I am making about the iKooks is they all
suffer from the same low iQ and lack of self esteem and they're all liars.

For example, I showed you exactly the dozen Android apps I used for the
tutorial (with every single step outlined of how to compile & push to the
phone, even down to how to create the icons and activities & the like).

I said I'm not a developer, but I published those dozen tutorials anyway.
*Here are a dozen complete Android apps for you to compile & upload*

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/aW64zYeBtF0/m/UGv7e6lvBAAJ>

Notice every single step, and every single line of source code is provided
in those dozen tutorials, even though I am decidedly _not_ a developer.

Yet nospam "claims" to be a developer.
Hehhehheh... he is a liar.

*It's obvious nospam has never written a single line of code in his life.*

The reason nospam lies is he was told his entire life by everyone around
him that he's stupid - so he lacks the self esteem that he would have if,
all of a sudden, his lies could elevate him to the level of a "developer".

By doing so, nospam proves to be no different from this guy...
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

In stark contrast, the low-IQ uneducated iKook nospam _claims_ he is a
developer, but it's clear he has never written a line of code in his life.
*nospam I want to know what apps you've written*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/hEpF3EA1eDo>

Please do not respond until/unless you've skimmed _both_ those references.
Whom do _you_ believe & what logical basis do you employ for that belief?

On 2023-04-01 20:52, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Gato wrote:
>
>> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.
>
> Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
> newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
> headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.

Riiiiiiiight.

BTW:

What apps have you written?

:-)

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 21:29:13 -0700, Alan wrote:

>>> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.
>>
>> Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
>> newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
>> headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.
>
> Riiiiiiiight.
>
> BTW:
>
> What apps have you written?

He very many times said he doesn't consider himself a developer.

Even so, he pointed you to what looks like something like a few thousand
lines of working code in those tutorials that sure look like they work
because plenty of other people tried it as I could tell from skimming.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/aW64zYeBtF0/m/UGv7e6lvBAAJ

You did click on his link before you said he didn't write apps, riiiiiight?
How could you have missed that there are thousands of lines of code there?

If there are ten or twenty apps in that posted published source code,
then that's ten or twenty more apps than nospam has published, isn't it?

Knowing he's published ten or twenty apps, how many have YOU published?

On 2023-04-02 11:49, Maxmillian wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 21:29:13 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>>> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.
>>>
>>> Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
>>> newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
>>> headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.
>>
>> Riiiiiiiight.
>>
>> BTW:
>>
>> What apps have you written?
>
> He very many times said he doesn't consider himself a developer.
>
> Even so, he pointed you to what looks like something like a few thousand
> lines of working code in those tutorials that sure look like they work
> because plenty of other people tried it as I could tell from skimming.
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/aW64zYeBtF0/m/UGv7e6lvBAAJ
>
> You did click on his link before you said he didn't write apps, riiiiiight?
> How could you have missed that there are thousands of lines of code there?

"Thousands" Hardly.

>
> If there are ten or twenty apps in that posted published source code,
> then that's ten or twenty more apps than nospam has published, isn't it?
>
> Knowing he's published ten or twenty apps, how many have YOU published?

"Published"? Do you mean actually created?

Because code is easy to copy and paste.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-04-02 11:49, Maxmillian wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 21:29:13 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>>> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.
>>>>
>>>> Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
>>>> newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
>>>> headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.
>>>
>>> Riiiiiiiight.
>>>
>>> BTW:
>>>
>>> What apps have you written?
>>
>> He very many times said he doesn't consider himself a developer.
>>
>> Even so, he pointed you to what looks like something like a few thousand
>> lines of working code in those tutorials that sure look like they work
>> because plenty of other people tried it as I could tell from skimming.
>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/aW64zYeBtF0/m/UGv7e6lvBAAJ
>>
>> You did click on his link before you said he didn't write apps, riiiiiight?
>> How could you have missed that there are thousands of lines of code there?
>
> "Thousands" Hardly.
>
>>
>> If there are ten or twenty apps in that posted published source code,
>> then that's ten or twenty more apps than nospam has published, isn't it?
>>
>> Knowing he's published ten or twenty apps, how many have YOU published?
>
> "Published"? Do you mean actually created?
>
> Because code is easy to copy and paste.

Even easier now with Co-Pilot and chatGPT. You don't need to write a single
line of code for the very simplest app.

On 2023-04-03 01:55, Chris wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-04-02 11:49, Maxmillian wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 21:29:13 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You can't even figure out how a Usenet message header path functions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two ways to respond to that, one of which is to let you know I don't use a
>>>>> newsreader since my "editor" is 'vi' and my 'newsreader' is 'telnet' so the
>>>>> headers, like wrapping paper, aren't the package which is the gift inside.
>>>>
>>>> Riiiiiiiight.
>>>>
>>>> BTW:
>>>>
>>>> What apps have you written?
>>>
>>> He very many times said he doesn't consider himself a developer.
>>>
>>> Even so, he pointed you to what looks like something like a few thousand
>>> lines of working code in those tutorials that sure look like they work
>>> because plenty of other people tried it as I could tell from skimming.
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/aW64zYeBtF0/m/UGv7e6lvBAAJ
>>>
>>> You did click on his link before you said he didn't write apps, riiiiiight?
>>> How could you have missed that there are thousands of lines of code there?
>>
>> "Thousands" Hardly.
>>
>>>
>>> If there are ten or twenty apps in that posted published source code,
>>> then that's ten or twenty more apps than nospam has published, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Knowing he's published ten or twenty apps, how many have YOU published?
>>
>> "Published"? Do you mean actually created?
>>
>> Because code is easy to copy and paste.
>
> Even easier now with Co-Pilot and chatGPT. You don't need to write a single
> line of code for the very simplest app.

I actually did a quick search...

....and he pretty obviously plagiarized.

On 2023-04-03 04:55, Chris wrote:

> Even easier now with Co-Pilot and chatGPT. You don't need to write a single
> line of code for the very simplest app.

I've played with ChatGPT to write some basic snippets of code, and it
can do that pretty well (easier to head over to github and find better
stuff if you need it).

As an example I asked it to write a simple command-line Python program
for Mac OS to display images from a folder and to advance to the next
image when I hit spacebar. The code would not run w/o error: the image
code library it wanted to load did not exist. The code "looked" okay,
but it would not run.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> ...and he pretty obviously plagiarized.

It seems like you have never written any code yourself by what you said.

I looked at the many applications which are published in that thread.
He honestly stated from the beginning he wasn't a developer.

His first application was "hello world" which is normal for people
just starting out - so if you say he plagiarized hello world, you're a fool
as you don't know what it takes to actually get all the ducks lined up.

His code started with hello world and then he added more things over time.

People were asking him to implement features and he implemented them.
Then people tested the implementations and found bugs & told him about it.
He fixed those bugs. And then people said it was then working for them.

You don't know the first thing about code if you missed all that.
Besides, this thread isn't about his twenty or thirty applications.
He's not a developer and he said so.

It's nospam who says he's a developer. Not him.
Where are nospam's applications?

On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-04-03 04:55, Chris wrote:
>
>> Even easier now with Co-Pilot and chatGPT. You don't need to write a
>> single line of code for the very simplest app.
>
> I've played with ChatGPT to write some basic snippets of code, and it
> can do that pretty well (easier to head over to github and find better
> stuff if you need it).
>
> As an example I asked it to write a simple command-line Python program
> for Mac OS to display images from a folder and to advance to the next
> image when I hit spacebar. The code would not run w/o error: the
> image code library it wanted to load did not exist. The code "looked"
> okay, but it would not run.

Which is to be expected. It's simply sourcing code snippets that are
available on the net, many of which are incomplete, buggy, and not
suitable for working production environments. Garbage in, garbage out.
In the end it's not much more useful than a visit to StackOverflow.
You'll still need a human being to clean the code up, refactor for
purpose, and debug it. We're a hell of a long way off from AI replacing
actual software developers.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-04-03 12:27, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-04-03 04:55, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Even easier now with Co-Pilot and chatGPT. You don't need to write a
>>> single line of code for the very simplest app.
>>
>> I've played with ChatGPT to write some basic snippets of code, and it
>> can do that pretty well (easier to head over to github and find better
>> stuff if you need it).
>>
>> As an example I asked it to write a simple command-line Python program
>> for Mac OS to display images from a folder and to advance to the next
>> image when I hit spacebar. The code would not run w/o error: the
>> image code library it wanted to load did not exist. The code "looked"
>> okay, but it would not run.
>
> Which is to be expected. It's simply sourcing code snippets that are
> available on the net, many of which are incomplete, buggy, and not
> suitable for working production environments. Garbage in, garbage out.
> In the end it's not much more useful than a visit to StackOverflow.
> You'll still need a human being to clean the code up, refactor for
> purpose, and debug it. We're a hell of a long way off from AI replacing
> actual software developers.

Well, it's not that bad. As an example I had it write quicksort in C
using the variable types and labels I wanted. It spit it out in a
recursive version. I told it to re-write non recursively and it did so.
I examined but didn't test the code - but it was right - basic 201 stuff.

Then repeated it for Pascal, Fortran, Ada, Python and Modula-II.

All looked okay - all were in the form of functions or procedures that
still needed a program around them to test.

Had it write some functions in x86_64 and ARM assembly as well. The
intel stuff looked right; ARM: dunno.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

nospam wrote:

>> FACT: *Only iOS lacks torrenting apps on the app store*
>
> whoosh

Yet again, in a vain attempt to treat nospam as if he's an adult...

I will patiently explain that... and... I hate to burst your bubble... but
1. *You own the brain of a child*
2. *You "think" you're clever*
3. *You're not*

You think you're pulling a "clever trick" over me by repeatedly "not"
saying that Apple is the only consumer OS suppler who cynically
purposefully _cripples_ the app store so that a "normal" person can't
install the app... because... Apple prevents the app from being there.

You seriously think you're "confusing" me by saying, instead of that truth,
that you, apparently the greatest developer on the planet, can _write_ the
code that Apple prevents existing on the app store.

You think you're being clever, nospam, like a kid which who just kicked the
dog on purpose who tells his parents the dog "fell down the stairs" nospam.

You think I don't realize your claim is that you, the greatest developer
that ever lived, could write the program even though Apple won't let that
program be on the app store.

Your point is the _phone_ is capable of doing what Apple disallowed in the
app store, which is a strawman you built because you can't face the facts.

Nobody disputed ever that the phone _hardware_ can do what Apple disallows.

You're so stupid, the _only_ way you can respond to the facts is for you to
build that imaginary made-up strawman, so that you can beat that to death.

I repeat...
1. You own the brain of a child.
2. You "think" you're clever.
3. You're not.

the fact remains Apple _crippled_ the iPhone in terms of torrenting.
You hate that fact.

In addition, Apple is the _only_ common OS that does that, nospam.
You hate that fact also.

But the fact you hate these facts doesn't change those facts being facts.

*Either agree with the facts or continue to prove you are an imbecile*

You're so incredibly stupid, that you actually think you're being clever.

For one, you own the brain of a child, nospam.
And, for another, you've never written a single line of code in your life.

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On 2023-04-03 07:18, Peter wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> ...and he pretty obviously plagiarized.
>
> It seems like you have never written any code yourself by what you said.

I haven't written much code.

But I can READ code.

And I can COMPARE it against the results of a Google search.

>
> I looked at the many applications which are published in that thread.
> He honestly stated from the beginning he wasn't a developer.
>
> His first application was "hello world" which is normal for people
> just starting out - so if you say he plagiarized hello world, you're a fool
> as you don't know what it takes to actually get all the ducks lined up.
>
> His code started with hello world and then he added more things over time.

He worked his way through a tutorial that basically spoon-fed him.

>
> People were asking him to implement features and he implemented them.
> Then people tested the implementations and found bugs & told him about it.
> He fixed those bugs. And then people said it was then working for them.
>
> You don't know the first thing about code if you missed all that.
> Besides, this thread isn't about his twenty or thirty applications.
> He's not a developer and he said so.
>
> It's nospam who says he's a developer. Not him.
> Where are nospam's applications?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> It seems like you have never written any code yourself by what you said.
>
> I haven't written much code.
> But I can READ code.
> Add I can COMPARE it against the results of a Google search.

Good. Point to YOUR code and I'll compare it for you.

I'll patiently wait but do not reply without a link to YOUR code please.

Just like I'm waiting for the nospam guy to point to his make believe code.

>> His code started with hello world and then he added more things over time.
>
> He worked his way through a tutorial that basically spoon-fed him.

You only read the first post.
He created entire apps from scratch.

Maybe you don't know how to read code after all.

On 2023-04-06 15:19, Peter wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> It seems like you have never written any code yourself by what you said.
>>
>> I haven't written much code.
>> But I can READ code.
>> Add I can COMPARE it against the results of a Google search.
>
> Good. Point to YOUR code and I'll compare it for you.

I'm not claiming to have written any.

Do you understand that one can compare code without needing to have
written any?

>
> I'll patiently wait but do not reply without a link to YOUR code please.

I'm not claiming to have written any.

Do you understand that one can compare code without needing to have
written any?

>> He worked his way through a tutorial that basically spoon-fed him.
>
> You only read the first post.
> He created entire apps from scratch.

Show me one.

I'll show you where he plagiarized it from.

>
> Maybe you don't know how to read code after all.

Maybe you don't understand what "compare" means.