I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
remove all expired articles, which I do.

Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
backing their nuisance).

So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
internet or only for my upstream.

Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
this one.

Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?

Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/13/23 16:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?

As long as there's a community, there will be bad people.

> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.

Thunderbird has general filters, if you go to Tools->Message Filters.
Remember to set it as an account filter though, it defaults to only
targeting the newsgroup you are viewing.
--
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On 2023-10-13 23:28, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/13/23 16:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>
> As long as there's a community, there will be bad people.
>
>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>
> Thunderbird has general filters, if you go to Tools->Message Filters.
> Remember to set it as an account filter though, it defaults to only
> targeting the newsgroup you are viewing.

That's a poor substitute. You have to know some fixed header string on
which to filter, as compared to a huge filtering heuristics of a proper
spam filter. Including some bayessian filtering.

And a lot of work, compared to just pressing "J".

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/13/23 17:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> That's a poor substitute. You have to know some fixed header string on
> which to filter, as compared to a huge filtering heuristics of a proper
> spam filter. Including some bayessian filtering.
>
> And a lot of work, compared to just pressing "J".
>
>

Fair. For some reason, at least on Betterbird, there is a spam button
when using the "Search messages" button on the account info page. So I'm
not sure why the normal viewer doesn't have it.
--
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 23:14:16 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with
> spam in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the
> group, if I click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and
> suggest to remove all expired articles, which I do.
>
> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have
> money backing their nuisance).

Most spam has.

> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them
> somewhat later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for
> the entire internet or only for my upstream.

May be the news server's cleanfeed function just triggered.
--
Andreas

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
> in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
> click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
> remove all expired articles, which I do.

It seems to be spreading through vaious groups. comp.arch was affected
earlier, and people have been complaining loudly about the same spam in
comp.lang.c and sci.crypt for a few days. All from Google Groups, as
usual.

> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
> backing their nuisance).

I've got Tin built without UTF-8 support so all the foreign
characters are just represented as "?". This made it easy to craft
some filters based on the subject line of these, allegedly Thai,
spam messages:

comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
group=comp.*
case=0
score=kill
subj=\?*

comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
group=comp.*
case=0
score=kill
subj=*\?\?\?\?\?\?\?*

In wildcard pattern matching mode, this filters out any post with
a subject line starting with "?", or with seven "?" in a row.
Anyone who genuinely uses "?" like that in a subject line is
obviously an idiot, so I don't mind filtering them out by accident.
For now only comp.* groups that I subscribe to are affected, but I
might soon need to apply it to all groups.

> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
> later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
> internet or only for my upstream.

news.admin.net-abuse.usenet has much discussion about it, including
efforts by a couple of server admins with filtering it out. The
server I'm using seems to still be sucking in all of it, but the
above rules are serving me fine for filtering it out at my end
anyway.

In the worst case most newsreaders should have a way to filter out
all posts from Google Groups, as many have suggested. Unfortunately
some of the affected groups have a few real human GG users.

> Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
> this one.
>
> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?

Again already much discussed at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, but
mainly it's just because, with Google asleep at the wheel, they
can. If it _might_ help with their search engine rankings or
whatever, then there's little cost for them to try. The real
problem is Google for letting it happen, even though they're vastly
better resourced to deal with the issue than any other news server
operator, they just don't care.

> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.

That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

In article <6529dfef@news.ausics.net>,
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
>> in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
>> click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
>> remove all expired articles, which I do.
>
>It seems to be spreading through vaious groups. comp.arch was affected
>earlier, and people have been complaining loudly about the same spam in
>comp.lang.c and sci.crypt for a few days. All from Google Groups, as
>usual.
>
>> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
>> backing their nuisance).
>
>I've got Tin built without UTF-8 support so all the foreign
>characters are just represented as "?". This made it easy to craft
>some filters based on the subject line of these, allegedly Thai,
>spam messages:
>
>comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>group=comp.*
>case=0
>score=kill
>subj=\?*
>
>comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>group=comp.*
>case=0
>score=kill
>subj=*\?\?\?\?\?\?\?*
>
>In wildcard pattern matching mode, this filters out any post with
>a subject line starting with "?", or with seven "?" in a row.
>Anyone who genuinely uses "?" like that in a subject line is
>obviously an idiot, so I don't mind filtering them out by accident.
>For now only comp.* groups that I subscribe to are affected, but I
>might soon need to apply it to all groups.
>
>> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
>> later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
>> internet or only for my upstream.
>
>news.admin.net-abuse.usenet has much discussion about it, including
>efforts by a couple of server admins with filtering it out. The
>server I'm using seems to still be sucking in all of it, but the
>above rules are serving me fine for filtering it out at my end
>anyway.
>
>In the worst case most newsreaders should have a way to filter out
>all posts from Google Groups, as many have suggested. Unfortunately
>some of the affected groups have a few real human GG users.
>
>> Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
>> this one.
>>
>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>
>Again already much discussed at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, but
>mainly it's just because, with Google asleep at the wheel, they
>can. If it _might_ help with their search engine rankings or
>whatever, then there's little cost for them to try. The real
>problem is Google for letting it happen, even though they're vastly
>better resourced to deal with the issue than any other news server
>operator, they just don't care.
>
>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>
>That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
>if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
>getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
>scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
>message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).
>
Or convince the news admin to drop google groups post all together!

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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <6529dfef@news.ausics.net>,
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
>>if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
>>getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
>>scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
>>message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).
>>
> Or convince the news admin to drop google groups post all together!

I just got around to checking news.admin.net-abuse.usenet myself,
and I see you already did convince the admin of my news server last
night. I've read a fair few legit posts from GG in the last few
weeks, and replied to one earlier today, but I'll see how I go
without. I've added the notice in my sig so that people replying to
me from there (which also happened only a fortnight ago) know
they're wasting their time.

Hopefully those GG users all see it and decide to post from a
decent news server instead, but I doubt they will.

I've been bloody bored on Usenet lately anyway, so I'm rather
worried about cutting off even more content. But I'll give it a few
days and see how it goes...

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |

Am 13.10.23 um 23:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.

Sure! I filter them out with my TB.
Tools - Message Filters. Choose the server you subscribe to.

The spam is sent over google:

Injection-Info contains google-groups.googlegroups.com

Ignore subthread

Then activate Logging.

HTH, Jörg

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On 14.10.23 00:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-13 23:28, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 10/13/23 16:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>>
>> As long as there's a community, there will be bad people.
>>
>>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>>
>> Thunderbird has general filters, if you go to Tools->Message Filters.
>> Remember to set it as an account filter though, it defaults to only
>> targeting the newsgroup you are viewing.
>
> That's a poor substitute. You have to know some fixed header string on
> which to filter, as compared to a huge filtering heuristics of a proper
> spam filter. Including some bayessian filtering.
>
> And a lot of work, compared to just pressing "J".

Seriously? TB can do that for you in the background. No pressing of
anything.

--
Manus manum lavat

On 14.10.23 02:41, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <6529dfef@news.ausics.net>,
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
>>> in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
>>> click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
>>> remove all expired articles, which I do.
>>
>> It seems to be spreading through vaious groups. comp.arch was affected
>> earlier, and people have been complaining loudly about the same spam in
>> comp.lang.c and sci.crypt for a few days. All from Google Groups, as
>> usual.
>>
>>> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
>>> backing their nuisance).
>>
>> I've got Tin built without UTF-8 support so all the foreign
>> characters are just represented as "?". This made it easy to craft
>> some filters based on the subject line of these, allegedly Thai,
>> spam messages:
>>
>> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>> group=comp.*
>> case=0
>> score=kill
>> subj=\?*
>>
>> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>> group=comp.*
>> case=0
>> score=kill
>> subj=*\?\?\?\?\?\?\?*
>>
>> In wildcard pattern matching mode, this filters out any post with
>> a subject line starting with "?", or with seven "?" in a row.
>> Anyone who genuinely uses "?" like that in a subject line is
>> obviously an idiot, so I don't mind filtering them out by accident.
>> For now only comp.* groups that I subscribe to are affected, but I
>> might soon need to apply it to all groups.
>>
>>> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
>>> later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
>>> internet or only for my upstream.
>>
>> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet has much discussion about it, including
>> efforts by a couple of server admins with filtering it out. The
>> server I'm using seems to still be sucking in all of it, but the
>> above rules are serving me fine for filtering it out at my end
>> anyway.
>>
>> In the worst case most newsreaders should have a way to filter out
>> all posts from Google Groups, as many have suggested. Unfortunately
>> some of the affected groups have a few real human GG users.
>>
>>> Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>>
>> Again already much discussed at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, but
>> mainly it's just because, with Google asleep at the wheel, they
>> can. If it _might_ help with their search engine rankings or
>> whatever, then there's little cost for them to try. The real
>> problem is Google for letting it happen, even though they're vastly
>> better resourced to deal with the issue than any other news server
>> operator, they just don't care.
>>
>>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>>
>> That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
>> if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
>> getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
>> scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
>> message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).
>>
> Or convince the news admin to drop google groups post all together!

Nonsense. 2 minutes investment in a TB-filter works much better and more
reliably.

--
Manus manum lavat

On 13/10/2023 22:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>
It most certainly does. You may have to be creative about how you use
them however

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>
> It most certainly does. You may have to be creative about how you use
> them however

It has message filters that a user can manually configure, for email it
has a Bayesian spam filter that you can teach, or allow it to learn,
however *that* doesn't apply to usenet ...

On 14/10/2023 12:46, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>>
>> It most certainly does. You may have to be creative about how you use
>> them however
>
> It has message filters that a user can manually configure, for email it
> has a Bayesian spam filter that you can teach, or allow it to learn,
> however *that* doesn't apply to usenet ...
>
Accepted. But I find that the message filers are more than adequate

--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 2023-10-14 06:48, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 14.10.23 00:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-13 23:28, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 10/13/23 16:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>>>
>>> As long as there's a community, there will be bad people.
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird has general filters, if you go to Tools->Message Filters.
>>> Remember to set it as an account filter though, it defaults to only
>>> targeting the newsgroup you are viewing.
>>
>> That's a poor substitute. You have to know some fixed header string on
>> which to filter, as compared to a huge filtering heuristics of a proper
>> spam filter. Including some bayessian filtering.
>>
>> And a lot of work, compared to just pressing "J".
>
> Seriously? TB can do that for you in the background. No pressing of
> anything.
>

Yes, seriously.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-10-14 02:25, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
>> in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
>> click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
>> remove all expired articles, which I do.
>
> It seems to be spreading through vaious groups. comp.arch was affected
> earlier, and people have been complaining loudly about the same spam in
> comp.lang.c and sci.crypt for a few days. All from Google Groups, as
> usual.
>
>> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
>> backing their nuisance).
>
> I've got Tin built without UTF-8 support so all the foreign
> characters are just represented as "?". This made it easy to craft
> some filters based on the subject line of these, allegedly Thai,
> spam messages:
>
> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
> group=comp.*
> case=0
> score=kill
> subj=\?*
>
> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
> group=comp.*
> case=0
> score=kill
> subj=*\?\?\?\?\?\?\?*
>
> In wildcard pattern matching mode, this filters out any post with
> a subject line starting with "?", or with seven "?" in a row.
> Anyone who genuinely uses "?" like that in a subject line is
> obviously an idiot, so I don't mind filtering them out by accident.
> For now only comp.* groups that I subscribe to are affected, but I
> might soon need to apply it to all groups.
>
>> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
>> later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
>> internet or only for my upstream.
>
> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet has much discussion about it, including
> efforts by a couple of server admins with filtering it out. The
> server I'm using seems to still be sucking in all of it, but the
> above rules are serving me fine for filtering it out at my end
> anyway.
>
> In the worst case most newsreaders should have a way to filter out
> all posts from Google Groups, as many have suggested. Unfortunately
> some of the affected groups have a few real human GG users.

Yes, I have such a filter, but instead of deleting I change colour.

>
>> Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
>> this one.
>>
>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>
> Again already much discussed at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, but
> mainly it's just because, with Google asleep at the wheel, they
> can. If it _might_ help with their search engine rankings or
> whatever, then there's little cost for them to try. The real
> problem is Google for letting it happen, even though they're vastly
> better resourced to deal with the issue than any other news server
> operator, they just don't care.

Yes, that is a shame.

>
>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>
> That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
> if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
> getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
> scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
> message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).

There is the normal filtering. You write your own specific filter, and
it works. Of course the filter works in the background, but writing it
doesn't, it is a human writing it.

Thanks for your post, very informative. Just what I hopped. :-)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-10-14 02:56, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <6529dfef@news.ausics.net>,
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
>>> if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
>>> getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
>>> scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
>>> message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).
>>>
>> Or convince the news admin to drop google groups post all together!
>
> I just got around to checking news.admin.net-abuse.usenet myself,
> and I see you already did convince the admin of my news server last
> night. I've read a fair few legit posts from GG in the last few
> weeks, and replied to one earlier today, but I'll see how I go
> without. I've added the notice in my sig so that people replying to
> me from there (which also happened only a fortnight ago) know
> they're wasting their time.
>
> Hopefully those GG users all see it and decide to post from a
> decent news server instead, but I doubt they will.
>
> I've been bloody bored on Usenet lately anyway, so I'm rather
> worried about cutting off even more content. But I'll give it a few
> days and see how it goes...
>

I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all servers.
I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a few servers
would work.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all servers.
> I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a few servers
> would work.
>
You lose very little by that action.
I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,

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In article <ugd6ma$7jf1$2@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>On 14.10.23 02:41, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <6529dfef@news.ausics.net>,
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I notice since a day or two that this group is being bombarded with spam
>>>> in Thai (with a gmail address). Depending when I look at the group, if I
>>>> click on one Thunderbird says the article has expired and suggest to
>>>> remove all expired articles, which I do.
>>>
>>> It seems to be spreading through vaious groups. comp.arch was affected
>>> earlier, and people have been complaining loudly about the same spam in
>>> comp.lang.c and sci.crypt for a few days. All from Google Groups, as
>>> usual.
>>>
>>>> Sometimes I can read the spam (it is about gambling, so they have money
>>>> backing their nuisance).
>>>
>>> I've got Tin built without UTF-8 support so all the foreign
>>> characters are just represented as "?". This made it easy to craft
>>> some filters based on the subject line of these, allegedly Thai,
>>> spam messages:
>>>
>>> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>>> group=comp.*
>>> case=0
>>> score=kill
>>> subj=\?*
>>>
>>> comment=Thai Google Groups Spam
>>> group=comp.*
>>> case=0
>>> score=kill
>>> subj=*\?\?\?\?\?\?\?*
>>>
>>> In wildcard pattern matching mode, this filters out any post with
>>> a subject line starting with "?", or with seven "?" in a row.
>>> Anyone who genuinely uses "?" like that in a subject line is
>>> obviously an idiot, so I don't mind filtering them out by accident.
>>> For now only comp.* groups that I subscribe to are affected, but I
>>> might soon need to apply it to all groups.
>>>
>>>> So I assume that someone at some usenet server is purging them somewhat
>>>> later (minutes). I don't know if that cleaning job works for the entire
>>>> internet or only for my upstream.
>>>
>>> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet has much discussion about it, including
>>> efforts by a couple of server admins with filtering it out. The
>>> server I'm using seems to still be sucking in all of it, but the
>>> above rules are serving me fine for filtering it out at my end
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> In the worst case most newsreaders should have a way to filter out
>>> all posts from Google Groups, as many have suggested. Unfortunately
>>> some of the affected groups have a few real human GG users.
>>>
>>>> Fortunately, so far only seems to happen on one of my subscribed groups,
>>>> this one.
>>>>
>>>> Why does some one thinks that spamming Usenet is a good idea?
>>>
>>> Again already much discussed at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, but
>>> mainly it's just because, with Google asleep at the wheel, they
>>> can. If it _might_ help with their search engine rankings or
>>> whatever, then there's little cost for them to try. The real
>>> problem is Google for letting it happen, even though they're vastly
>>> better resourced to deal with the issue than any other news server
>>> operator, they just don't care.
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Thunderbird has no spam filters on Usenet.
>>>
>>> That's surprising. I've never used Thunderbird myself, but I wonder
>>> if there's a separate filter system for NNTP, because unlike when
>>> getting Email via POP, the contents of a post can't be fully
>>> scanned until you view it because only then is the body of the
>>> message downloaded (in most news readers anyway).
>>>
>> Or convince the news admin to drop google groups post all together!
>
>Nonsense. 2 minutes investment in a TB-filter works much better and more
>reliably.
>

Let the admins do the work so you do not have to an enjoy!

>
>--
>Manus manum lavat
>

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Am 14.10.23 um 15:10 schrieb The Doctor:
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Bigot and antisocial Troll!

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On 2023-10-14 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all
>> servers. I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a
>> few servers would work.
>>
> You lose very little by that action.
> I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,
>

You did? Do you control a big server that feeds GG to the entire Usenet?

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On 14/10/2023 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-14 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all
>>> servers. I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a
>>> few servers would work.
>>>
>> You lose very little by that action.
>> I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,
>>
>
> You did? Do you control a big server that feeds GG to the entire Usenet?
>
>
No, I control the little server where I read google groups.
If everybody simply killfiles Google groups, it will achieve the desired
result.

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battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On 2023-10-14 16:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/10/2023 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-14 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all
>>>> servers. I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a
>>>> few servers would work.
>>>>
>>> You lose very little by that action.
>>> I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,
>>>
>>
>> You did? Do you control a big server that feeds GG to the entire Usenet?
>>
>>
> No, I control the little server where I read google groups.
> If everybody simply killfiles Google groups, it will achieve the desired
> result.

If all the Usenet big servers lock out GG for write access, it is
possible that Google listens and does something about spam coming out of
their systems.

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Carlos E.R.

In article <kovm5kFm0tmU5@mid.individual.net>,
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2023-10-14 16:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2023 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-14 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all
>>>>> servers. I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a
>>>>> few servers would work.
>>>>>
>>>> You lose very little by that action.
>>>> I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,
>>>>
>>>
>>> You did? Do you control a big server that feeds GG to the entire Usenet?
>>>
>>>
>> No, I control the little server where I read google groups.
>> If everybody simply killfiles Google groups, it will achieve the desired
>> result.
>
>If all the Usenet big servers lock out GG for write access, it is
>possible that Google listens and does something about spam coming out of
>their systems.
>

Exactly what I am calling for!

also

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html
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>Cheers,
> Carlos E.R.
>

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-10-14 16:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/10/2023 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-14 14:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 14/10/2023 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of that, deny GG write access to Usenet, on all
>>>>> servers. I don't know how they are connected, maybe doing that in a
>>>>> few servers would work.
>>>>>
>>>> You lose very little by that action.
>>>> I am not sure I didn't do that years ago,
>>>
>>> You did? Do you control a big server that feeds GG to the entire Usenet?
>>>
>> No, I control the little server where I read google groups.
>> If everybody simply killfiles Google groups, it will achieve the desired
>> result.
>
> If all the Usenet big servers lock out GG for write access, it is
> possible that Google listens and does something about spam coming out of
> their systems.

I'm not sure how Google would know it was happening unless someone
influential there reads Usenet directly themselves, which pretty
obviously isn't the case. The news servers peering with them could
block connections from them entirely, which might raise an issue
with someone more interested than the people handling complaints,
but I'm not sure that the admins of those news servers are active
in the recent discussion.

I also wonder if the person currently in charge of the GG back-end,
burried anonymously in some Google office, really knows what Usenet
is? Or whether they just see it as some obscure part of the mailing
list gateway that was implemented eons ago by programmers long
forgotten?

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