On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
> what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.

You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.

And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).

Everyone but you.

I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

On 2023-03-27 15:21, Alan wrote:
> Hitchen's Razor

a nice complement to:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
-Carl Sagan. (and others before him).

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On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.

You were provided the links.

You didn't read them.
Why not?

I know why.
You just want to deny everything about Apple that you don't like.

Things like cheap iPhone 12 battery components that Apple doesn't deny.]
Just you deny it.

Nobody else.
Just you.

You don't even *think* about what it is that you are denying.
If you knew anything about Apple, you couldn't deny it.

Especially since it's so well documented, only an idiot would deny it.
That idiot is you.

Everyone knows, except you, Apple cheaped out on the iPhone 12 batteries.
Look it up yourself before denying it again and again and again.

On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.

It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than
Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left
this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.

Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

On 2023-03-27 14:18, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.
>
> You were provided the links.

You're lying.

On 2023-03-27 14:01, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> it's even better when they link to something that says the opposite of
>> what they're claiming. it saves everyone else a lot of work.
>
> You just deny whatever it is about Apple that you don't happen to like.
>
> And yet, everyone knows it was well documented that Apple cheaped out on
> the iPhone 12 batteries (both the boards and the other components).
>
> Everyone but you.
>
> I want to show how not normal people like you are who deny things
> without knowing a single thing about what it is they are denying.

A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
all that verbiage.

On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
> all that verbiage.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

You're not a normal person in that it was provided to you so many times
already, and you deny it was provided because your brain can't read it.

You didn't read the documentation then, why would you read it now?

You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.
Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

>> You were provided the links.
>
> You're lying.

I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

You will deny everything about Apple just because you don't like it.
It wouldn't even occur to your tiny Neanderthal brain to look it up.

<https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>
<https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>
<https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>
<https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>
<https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>
<https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

Notice the iKooks all denied everything without even *thinking* about it.
Jolly Roger. nospam. Alan Baker. Alan Browne.

They all denied what they were informed of many times already.
They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.

Even Apple doesn't deny it.
Just the iKooks.

If the 4 iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

On 2023-03-27 14:26, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
>
> How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
> already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows this.
>
> It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more ignorant than
> Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the four of them left
> this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of other Usenet newsgroups.
>
> Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...
>
> <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>

References a report by one analyst.

> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

References the same primary source.

> <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>

Same source

> <https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/kuo-iphone-12-5g-component-cost/>

Same...

> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-iphone-12-to-use-smaller-cheaper-battery>

Same...

> <https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/kuo-iphone-12-battery-board/>

Same...

> <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/article/apple-opting-for-cheaper-battery-parts-to-cut-costs-on-5g-iphone-12-analyst-ming-chi-kuo/640657>

Same...

> <https://techlog360.com/apple-will-use-cheaper-parts-in-the-iphone-12/>

Same...

> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/apple-to-skimp-on-battery-tech-for-5g-iPhones-says-Kuo_id126708>

And still the same.

So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...

....who is far from all-knowing.

>
> Notice that the iKooks all denied without even *thinking* about it.

Notice that you tried make one piece of evidence look like nine.

> They just don't like what Apple did so they deny that Apple did it.
>
> Even Apple doesn't deny it.
> Just the iKooks.
>
> If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other groups.

Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

On 2023-03-27 14:51, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better than
>> all that verbiage.
>
> I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

On 2023-03-27 14:54, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>>> You were provided the links.
>>
>> You're lying.
>
> I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about Apple.

And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
referenced one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

On 2023-03-27, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <tvs6vk$3887t$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
><rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Apple put cheap boards & separators and cheaper smaller batteries to lower
>> cost (for Apple) around the iPhone 12 time frame and then Apple got hungry
>> and kept it cheap for battery components in the later iPhones after that.
>
> that is absolutely false.

He's basing it on a *rumor* by an analyst who stated that he believes
Apple "will reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and
squeeze active cell components", which doesn't mean the board layers are
inferior in construction, nor that the batteries would necessarily have
reduced performance or capacity:

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

He used the words "Apple cheaped out" in order to suggest Apple's
putting out crap batteries, which is not what the rumor claims, and more
importantly has no actual evidence to back it up.

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On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-27 14:51, Nil wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>
>>> A simple example of this "documentation" would have served better
>>> than all that verbiage.
>>
>> I wanted to show everyone how you are ignorant of everything about
>> Apple.
>
> And I've just shown that you're not bright enough to realize you've
> reference one report by one analyst as if it were nine.

Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area".

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On 2023-03-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-27 14:26, Nil wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>>
>>> "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
>>
>> How about normal claims require normal evidence which is that it's
>> already well documented because it's true & everyone but you knows
>> this.
>>
>> It's a toss up if Alan Baker or Jolly Roger or nospam is more
>> ignorant than Alan Browne, which I wanted to point out because if the
>> four of them left this newsgroup, it would approach the normality of
>> other Usenet newsgroups.
>>
>> Everyone knows, but the iKooks, what Apple did...
>
> So what you really have is ONE report by ONE analyst...
>
> ...who is far from all-knowing.

It's a rumor. The rumor didn't state Apple would use inferior batteries
- just a reduction in rigid-flex battery board layers to squeeze active
cell components into a smaller area. And there's no actual evidence of
what the rumor did claim.

>> If they iKooks this newsgroup, it would approach normalcy of other
>> groups.
>
> Notice also that Arlen has added a new posting nym.

He's been using this one for a while, but yes.

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On 2023-03-27, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> Still waiting for your to prove it's actually happened.
>
> You were provided the links.

Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
proof of something actually happening, child.

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On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
> Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
> reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
> cell components into a smaller area".

I waited to provide the references to show how ignorant you iKooks are.
All you ignorant iKooks disputed it without even KNOWING about it.

Without you four ignorant iKooks, this newsgroup would approach normalcy.

Jolly Roger
nospam
Alan Brown
Alan Baker

Apple couldn't dispute it and yet you disputed it without even knowing it.
That's how ignorant all you iKooks are about everything that Apple does.

On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
> proof of something actually happening, child.

I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).

Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
And they didn't. Because they can't.

On 2023-03-27 17:04, Nil wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> Not only that, but it's just a rumor from an analyst who didn't say
>> Apple was using inferior batteries, but that he believes Apple "will
>> reduce the number of rigid-flex battery board layers and squeeze active
>> cell components into a smaller area".
>
> I waited to provide the references to show how ignorant you iKooks are.
> All you ignorant iKooks disputed it without even KNOWING about it.

I knew about that.

I also knew it was without any evidence to back it up.

On 2023-03-27 17:04, Nil wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> Links to an analyst claiming he believed something might happen aren't
>> proof of something actually happening, child.
>
>
> I waited to provide the references because I wanted everyone to know that
> you are ignorant of everything about Apple (you don't ever read the news).
>
> Even Apple couldn't dispute it because if they could, they would.
> And they didn't. Because they can't.

Or they just didn't feel the need.

iPhone battery LIFE is completely competitive with other companies'
offerings.

On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> I knew about that.

You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you
ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you
will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

Like you did here. And like you always do.

The instant you ignorant iKooks leave this group, it will be normal again.

On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> Or they just didn't feel the need.

What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew
"something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

You didn't.
You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.

It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

On 2023-03-27 21:56, Nil wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> Or they just didn't feel the need.
>
> What matters is I waited to give you many chances to prove you knew
> "something" (anything!) when you flatly denied everything Apple does.

I haven't denied anything...

....because you haven't yet show that Apple DID anything.

>
> You didn't.
> You denied everything (without thinking!) because you didn't like it.
>
> It's always the case you ignorant iKooks don't even read the news.
> The sooner you leave this newsgroup, the better for everyone else.

The sooner you produce actual evidence that Apple has used batteries
that are actually somehow inferior...

On 2023-03-27 21:51, Nil wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> I knew about that.
>
> You did not and that is why I waited because I wanted to show that you
> ignorant iKooks not only don't know anything about what Apple does, but you
> will deny on sight anything that Apple does that you simply do not like.

I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

And you haven't shown anything that proves Apple DID anything in particular.

On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:

> I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.

You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

On 2023-03-28 10:13, Nil wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2023, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>
>> I knew that Kuo had made a CLAIM.
>
> You had too many chances to mention if you knew it and you never did.
> You repeatedly, over & over, denied it ONLY because you didn't like it.

Really?

Show a single example of me denying it.