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by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 23:41 UTC

Joel wrote:

> Yeah, as far as the Android app for merely viewing a bus schedule or
> whatever, I can handle using something from Adobe. But for Windows,
> Sumatra PDF is far preferable.

You seem to know Windows software, which is a good thing as most of the
iKooks are clueless about anything not found in an Apple advertisement.

I wrote this checklist summary _years_ ago, so it's not up to date,
but even then, I suggested Sumatra (like you do) for fast PDF reading...
[x] Fast PDF reader: (Sumatra PDF)
[x] Archive sites (wkhtmltopdf, Acrobat payware)
[x] Add or concatonate pages (pdftk, acrobat payware)
[x] Remove pages (pdfsam, pdftk)
[x] Rotate pages (Acrobat Reader)
[x] Renumber pages (Acrobat Reader)
[x] Remove restrictions (Ghostscript/Ghostview)
[x] Merge PDFs (pdfsam, pdftk)
[x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Viewer, PDF Shaper)
[x] Reorder pages (mutool)
?[x] Edit PDF existing text (Acrobat commenting, Acrobat payware)
[x] Print sans username in the properties (Libre Office Writer)
[_] Print book format PDF (FinePrint payware)
[x] Tile PDFs (i.e., to print large posters) (Posterazor)
[x] Create PDF new text (Irfanview or Paint.NET plugins + Ghostscript)

There probably isn't a single free PDF-related program that was discussed
in the comp.text.pdf or windows newsgroups that I haven't tested
personally.

Just as there will never be any functionality that is generally useful
that is on iOS that isn't already (often years ago) on Android, there will
likely never be anything that the Adobe Acrobat product line does that
won't be found for free in one of the many related apps out there.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't work the other way, at least for iOS, in
that there is nothing in iOS that is generally useful, that the iPhone or
iPad can do, all by its itty bitty self, that isn't already on Android.

The reason is simple and quite logical, and Apple will never tell you this.
1. Most app functionality comes from developers, not from motherships
2. Apple severely restricts what apps can do; Google can't.
3. Hence, developers can provide functionality for Android not on iOS.

I could list for an hour all the functionality on Android that isn't on
iOS, where just for an example, since I'm tired of listing them all, is the
ability to spit out the installed apps to a file and/or to extract all the
installed apps and load them onto another device that you don't even own.

I mention that together 'cuz they're usually developed together.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=list%20extract%20apps&c=apps>

That's so trivial but Apple can't figure out how to do it.
That's how crippled iOS is, Joel.

The iPhone is so crippled by Apple that it can't do the _simplest_ of the
most basic of things outside the walled garden, Joel. And that's just sad.

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by: Joel - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 00:32 UTC

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>> Yeah, as far as the Android app for merely viewing a bus schedule or
>> whatever, I can handle using something from Adobe. But for Windows,
>> Sumatra PDF is far preferable.
>
>You seem to know Windows software, which is a good thing as most of the
>iKooks are clueless about anything not found in an Apple advertisement.

Bear in mind, though, that I've solely been seeing this thread in
comp.os.linux.advocacy, I used to run Linux on my old computer, and
continue to claim that it is in any objective sense the greatest OS in
world history to date. I like Windows just for convenience, but it
would be pretty laughable to claim that its hardware-hungry nature
truly makes it a better desktop OS, and *definitely* that its "server"
platform is in the realm that Linux is in.

I have had limited experience with Apple gear, including an Intel
MacBook briefly some years back, I bought it out of curiosity, but
ended up overwriting OS X with Win7.

--
Joel Crump

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by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 01:55 UTC

Joel wrote:

>>You seem to know Windows software, which is a good thing as most of the
>>iKooks are clueless about anything not found in an Apple advertisement.
>
> Bear in mind, though, that I've solely been seeing this thread in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy, I used to run Linux on my old computer, and
> continue to claim that it is in any objective sense the greatest OS in
> world history to date.

I'm in my eighties Joel, and I went to the finest schools in this country and worked in Silicon Valley for decades at some of the most aggressive startups on the planet - so I'm well aquainted with Linux variants.

I cut my teeth on the IBM mainframes (punched cards and paper tape) but in the working world after grad school I was on the Masscomp and DEC VMS platforms, and then SunOS and eventually Solaris and Redhat, and finally after I retired, CentOS ('cuz I was familiar with RedHat), and then Ubuntu ('cuz I liked it better until they did that Unity thing), etc.

I ran dual boot Ubuntu with Windows for years, and, in fact, with my iPad!

Currently half my portable devices are Apple and the other half Android.
I also have PCs, but all of them are Windows (none are macOS although I
worked in a school environment for years, and I know enough to hate them).

> I like Windows just for convenience, but it
> would be pretty laughable to claim that its hardware-hungry nature
> truly makes it a better desktop OS, and *definitely* that its "server"
> platform is in the realm that Linux is in.

Given we both love freeware, and given Linux is freeware (so to speak),
I always wondered why Linux didn't kill Windows.

I have many threads on that topic, but I think the main answer is
MS Office (and yes, I know all about the office-like suites on Linux).
> I have had limited experience with Apple gear, including an Intel
> MacBook briefly some years back, I bought it out of curiosity, but
> ended up overwriting OS X with Win7.

I test stuff.
Lots of stuff.

It's what I do.

I buy Apple products for two reasons, one of which is to learn how
they work (and to test the lies from the iKooks).

I use Windows to get stuff done.
Linux works fine for that too.

As long as you don't say stupid things, I'll respect you.
Usenet is water under the bridge.

Even if nospam started to act like an adult, I'd treat him like one.
In teaching, we tell the kids to act like they want to be treated.

If you act like an adult, I treat you like you are an adult.
Deal?

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by: Alan - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 02:12 UTC

On 2023-04-02 18:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>
>>> You seem to know Windows software, which is a good thing as most of the
>>> iKooks are clueless about anything not found in an Apple advertisement.
>>
>> Bear in mind, though, that I've solely been seeing this thread in
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy, I used to run Linux on my old computer, and
>> continue to claim that it is in any objective sense the greatest OS in
>> world history to date.
>
> I'm in my eighties Joel, and I went to the finest schools in this
> country

A claim you won't support.

> and worked in Silicon Valley for decades at some of the most
> aggressive startups on the planet

A claim you won't support.

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by: Joel - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 02:32 UTC

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>I'm in my eighties Joel, and I went to the finest schools in this country and worked in Silicon Valley for decades at some of the most aggressive startups on the planet - so I'm well aquainted with Linux variants.
>
>If you act like an adult, I treat you like you are an adult.
>Deal?

I'm 46, and while not "old" just yet, I have been around Usenet since
the mid '90s, and I think I have reasonably well behaved like an
adult, here. If I question the M1 or M2 having "fatal flaws", it's
because there simply isn't evidence being presented to contradict what
I've learned about them before. Feel free to show that I missed
something, but all I've actually seen presented was one obscure bug,
not affecting routine use of Apple's machines.

--
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by: nospam - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:45 UTC

In article <u0dclq$2qaac$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > I'm in my eighties Joel, and I went to the finest schools in this
> > country
>
> A claim you won't support.

many high school students 'went to the finest schools in the country'
for a campus visit (along with their parents), but after applying and
being rejected, they ended up going somewhere else.

> > and worked in Silicon Valley for decades at some of the most
> > aggressive startups on the planet
>
> A claim you won't support.

every company needs janitorial staff, plumbers, painters, etc. or maybe
he did security, to prevent the kooks from infiltrating.

he obviously didn't make very much money at those companies because
instead of paying $1 for an app or song, he pirates it.

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by: nospam - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:45 UTC

In article <sfek2itafjvrlf8a79vdk1nq0935l87ru2@4ax.com>, Joel
<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm 46, and while not "old" just yet, I have been around Usenet since
> the mid '90s, and I think I have reasonably well behaved like an
> adult, here. If I question the M1 or M2 having "fatal flaws", it's
> because there simply isn't evidence being presented to contradict what
> I've learned about them before. Feel free to show that I missed
> something, but all I've actually seen presented was one obscure bug,
> not affecting routine use of Apple's machines.

every processor has bugs. nothing is perfect in this world.

most are obscure and dealt with in the os, with no effect on the user.

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Subject	Author
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Andy Burnelli
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Joel
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Andy Burnelli
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Alan
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	nospam
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Joel
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	nospam
Re: iPhones are not "smartphones"	Joel