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No, the topic wasn't mp3's

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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
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by: vallor - Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36 UTC

The topic wasn't mp3's, but how we use Linux.

I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.

Laughing boy turned it into a discussion of his mp3's.

I don't know about you, but I prefer flac. I usually use
either mplayer or vlc to play them.

Regarding sound routing, I'll give you another example besides
the one that laughing boy ignored: my setup used to have a large-format
monitor mounted on the wall for displaying art, and sometimes hockey games.

With pavucontrol from pulse, it's trivial to send the hockey game
audio to that monitor, and have Elite Dangerous Odyssey audio on
my main speakers. Win-win.

--
-v

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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:05 UTC

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36:45 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.

All the smart distros are using PipeWire now.

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by: Chris Ahlstrom - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:10 UTC

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36:45 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>> I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.
>
> All the smart distros are using PipeWire now.

Sounds reasonable, as long as they configure it well, and take care to provide
the JACK compatibility API. It will be awhile before JACK goes away. Does JACK
still provide better latency and more protection against xruns?

--
Things past redress and now with me past care.
-- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"

pipewire (was: Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's)

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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
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by: vallor - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 02:44 UTC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:05:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <uv7k2m$1f7vt$1@dont-email.me>:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36:45 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>> I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.
>
> All the smart distros are using PipeWire now.

Mint has pipewire available, but I'm not using it -- too new for me.

(Read: I haven't gone and looked at it yet.)

Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago
if anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea
of being able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]

How is it?

[*] You can already do this with a virtual camera device and
obs-studio...pipewire just seems like a cleaner solution.

--
-v

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by: rbowman - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 03:41 UTC

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 02:44:57 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago if
> anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea of being
> able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]

It's the default on Fedora, so I guess I have 'tried' pipewire to the
extent that my Bluetooth earbuds work.

Re: Surround Sound "effects" ?

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by: rbowman - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 05:28 UTC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 21:01:31 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> You (rBowman) replied ( to ScottGNU ):
>> > Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago if
>> > anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea of
>> > being able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]
>>
>> It's the default on Fedora, so I guess I have 'tried' pipewire to the
>> extent that my Bluetooth earbuds work.
>
> Are you applying Surround Sound "effects" ?

No.

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by: vallor - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:41 UTC

On 12 Apr 2024 03:41:54 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<l7ros2FhmsvU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 02:44:57 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>> Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago if
>> anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea of being
>> able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]
>
> It's the default on Fedora, so I guess I have 'tried' pipewire to the
> extent that my Bluetooth earbuds work.

Well, I tried it. Installed pipewire-pulse, rebooted, then
ran pavucontrol.[*]

Alas, it didn't show my devices.

Poked around a little and found WirePlumber, hoping that
was the app to replace pavucontrol. Apparently not.

So I removed pipewire-pulse and rebooted, and everything went back to
normal in pavucontrol.

I'll revisit it in the future, but initially, it's a bit
disappointing that it didn't "just work".

This was on Linux Mint 21.2.

[*] For those who don't know:

PAVUCONTROL(1) PAVUCONTROL(1)

NAME
pavucontrol - A volume control for the PulseAudio sound
server

SYNOPSIS
pavucontrol

DESCRIPTION
A simple volume control tool (mixer) for the PulseAudio
sound server. In contrast to classic mixer tools this
one allows you to control both the volume of hardware
devices and of each playback stream separately. It also
allows you to redirect a playback stream to another
output device without interrupting playback.

--
-v

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by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 00:30 UTC

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 02:44 this Friday (GMT):
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:05:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <uv7k2m$1f7vt$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36:45 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>>
>>> I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.
>>
>> All the smart distros are using PipeWire now.
>
> Mint has pipewire available, but I'm not using it -- too new for me.
>
> (Read: I haven't gone and looked at it yet.)
>
> Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago
> if anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea
> of being able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]
>
> How is it?
>
> [*] You can already do this with a virtual camera device and
> obs-studio...pipewire just seems like a cleaner solution.

I think pipewire works alright.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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by: Chris Ahlstrom - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 14:56 UTC

candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 02:44 this Friday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:05:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <uv7k2m$1f7vt$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:36:45 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>>>
>>>> I brought up pulseaudio's superior sound-routing capabilities.
>>>
>>> All the smart distros are using PipeWire now.
>>
>> Mint has pipewire available, but I'm not using it -- too new for me.
>>
>> (Read: I haven't gone and looked at it yet.)
>>
>> Actually -- hey! I'm pretty sure I asked in here a few weeks ago
>> if anyone had tried pipewire. Besides the sound, I like the idea
>> of being able to intercept my camera feed to add effects.[*]
>>
>> How is it?
>>
>> [*] You can already do this with a virtual camera device and
>> obs-studio...pipewire just seems like a cleaner solution.
>
> I think pipewire works alright.

This guy tried Pipewire for a couple months, but then had to revert
to JACK + PulseAudio. This 12-minute video explains why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvWgm6aZTQA

Is PipeWire ready for audio production (in Q4 2021) ?

That was in 2021, so surely his issues have been solved. Would be interesting
to follow up on it.

--
Tonight's the night: Sleep in a eucalyptus tree.

Subject	Author
No, the topic wasn't mp3's	vallor
Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's	Chris Ahlstrom
pipewire (was: Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's)	vallor
Re: pipewire (was: Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's)	rbowman
Re: Surround Sound "effects" ?	rbowman
Re: pipewire (was: Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's)	vallor
Re: pipewire (was: Re: No, the topic wasn't mp3's)	candycanearter07
Re: pipewire	Chris Ahlstrom