On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:10:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote in
<uu5bea$2kpd$1@dont-email.me>:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 21:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On 2024-03-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> Tyrone wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2024 at 4:53:07 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.sucks>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Prove Youir Worth: GNU/Linux Problem"
>>>>
>>>> Nice to see that Linux STILL has no spell-checking.
>>>
>>> Of course Linux has spell checking. Aspell, for one thing.
>>>
>>> But the app has to enable it... you know, like you can do (or disable)
>>> in Microsoft Turd.
>>>
>>> Here's for the vim editor I use for posting in the mews [sic] group:
>>>
>>> https://vimtricks.com/p/vim-spell-check/
>>>
>>> :set spell – Turn on spell checking :set nospell – Turn off spell
>>> checking ]s – Jump to the next misspelled word [s – Jump to the
>>> previous misspelled word z= – Bring up the suggested replacements
>>> zg – Good word: Add the word under the cursor to the dictionary zw
>>> – Woops! Undo and remove the word from the dictionary
>>>
>>> Easy peasy. All my mispellings are highlighted now.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, it's a PITA in C++ source code. At least it only flags
>>> misspellings in comments.
>>
>> In Jstar I just run a spell check before posting. Unless I'm feeling
>> lazy.
>> Jstar also uses aspell.
>
>
> Never heard of jstar, but googling it it looks like a custom language?

jstar is part of joe, Joe's own Editor, but has more WordStar keybindings.

I use joe. Just joe.

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:37:13 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.29--3.37am.Seattle.2024>:

> ScottGNU:
>> jstar is part of joe, Joe's own Editor, but has more WordStar
>> keybindings.
>> I use joe. Just joe.
>
> Are you using "Joe's Own Editor" ?

Yes. I thought I'd established that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe%27s_Own_Editor

> if not, please point me to Joe's homepage.
>
> I rejected "vi" because it's "modal" ( what mode am I in now ? ).
> I rejected "Emacs" because it's space cadet Stallman, Lisp'ing.
>
> I use a _normal_ text editor, like Borland's "Turbo Pascal" & "Turbo C".
> 35 years ago, in 1989, Seattle, "Microsoft C" ( on Win2 ) was my
> editor/IDE;
> later, it was called "DevStudio", now "Visual Studio".

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:37:13 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.29--3.37am.Seattle.2024>:

> ScottGNU:
>> jstar is part of joe, Joe's own Editor, but has more WordStar
>> keybindings.
>> I use joe. Just joe.
>
> Are you using "Joe's Own Editor" ?
> if not, please point me to Joe's homepage.
>
> I rejected "vi" because it's "modal" ( what mode am I in now ? ).
> I rejected "Emacs" because it's space cadet Stallman, Lisp'ing.
>
> I use a _normal_ text editor, like Borland's "Turbo Pascal" & "Turbo C".
> 35 years ago, in 1989, Seattle, "Microsoft C" ( on Win2 ) was my
> editor/IDE;
> later, it was called "DevStudio", now "Visual Studio".

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/downloads/

There is a "Visual Studio Code" for Linux.

What do you think of Eclipse, though?

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:16:38 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> There is a "Visual Studio Code" for Linux.

Sure is. Part of the reason for moving the Win7 netbook to Lubuntu was
because VS Code doesn't do Win 7. It also isn't available on my 32-bit
Debian box. Other than that it's on all my machines, Windows or Linux.

I haven't hit an extension that doesn't work cross-platform either. I use
PlatformIO for Arduinos and MicroPico for the MicroPython on the RPi Pico
W. Pylance works for general Python work, the same for the C/C++ and C#
extensions. The .NET SDK is also cross platform so I do C# on Linux.
Jupyter Notebooks also works. There are extensions for almost any
language but those are the ones I use.
> What do you think of Eclipse, though?

Not much. I think the last time I used it was when we were developing an
Android app about 10 years ago but I switched to Android Studio when
Google stopped supporting the Eclipse ADT.

The most positive thing I can say about Eclipse is back in the day it was
better than NetBeans which truly sucked.

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote at 14:16 this Friday (GMT):
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:37:13 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
><Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.29--3.37am.Seattle.2024>:
>
>> ScottGNU:
>>> jstar is part of joe, Joe's own Editor, but has more WordStar
>>> keybindings.
>>> I use joe. Just joe.
>>
>> Are you using "Joe's Own Editor" ?
>> if not, please point me to Joe's homepage.
>>
>> I rejected "vi" because it's "modal" ( what mode am I in now ? ).
>> I rejected "Emacs" because it's space cadet Stallman, Lisp'ing.
>>
>> I use a _normal_ text editor, like Borland's "Turbo Pascal" & "Turbo C".
>> 35 years ago, in 1989, Seattle, "Microsoft C" ( on Win2 ) was my
>> editor/IDE;
>> later, it was called "DevStudio", now "Visual Studio".
>
> https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/downloads/
>
> There is a "Visual Studio Code" for Linux.
>
> What do you think of Eclipse, though?

Wasn't Eclipse shut down?
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:40:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Wasn't Eclipse shut down?

No, they're alive. I don't know how well they are though.

https://snyk.io/blog/intellij-idea-dominates-the-ide-market-with-62-
adoption-among-jvm-developers/

JetBrains ate their lunch. A friend likes the Intellij IDEs enough that he
bought them for his own use. They have many different IDEs including
PyCharm. Eclipse does have a few other flavors like C/C++ but Java is/was
the most popular.

We had one Java app but I only did some minor enhancements and bug fixes.
gVim was good enough for that.

On 3/27/2024 4:22 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> My Mint box simply flies. He [Russell] can't out-advocate that.
>>
>> Running Mint and Windows apps in Wine is fairly weak advocacy. Give us
>> some Linux vs Windows stories to chew on.
>
>
> I run IRC and Usenet apps under Wine, so what?

So you never really left Windows.

> Do you think that's all I'm doing with my computer in 2024?

Yes, pretty much.

> I could do that with WinXP,
> FFS. You harp on the use of Wine as if it's wrong to use. I think
> it's a great way to enjoy the benefits of mIRC and Forte Agent without
> running M$.

Bring back the old, drunk-stoned Joel:

"Fuck Microsoft in its bitch ass"

"To hell with M$ Office, and anyone who disagrees can kiss my ass."

"Hey, dipfuck, you wouldn't say it to my face, 'cause I'd beat you
bloody. I ain't scared of your poser ass, fruitcake. You're a
fucking loser, that's why you replied to "Billy" and ignored the
actual point I made, coward. I'd kick your ass to the ground, nerd."

>> You'll probably need to setup a dual-boot with Win11, or install Windows
>> in a VM on your Linux crapbox.
>
>
> I have VirtualBox with 32-bit and 64-bit unactivated VMs of Win10,
> haven't really done anything with them.

I don't understand why you don't write code.

>> You generously gave me a Win10/11 Pro
>> key, which I appreciate, but I didn't use it and if you want it "back"
>> feel free to use it.
>
>
> I thought you had a friend who could use it. Please do. I have no
> use for it.

I ended up putting $4 licensed Win7 and an SSD on a 2016 Dell Precision
660 for him (actually for his daughter). Very speedy.

Win10 would've worked well, too.

>> Note: Gamers-Outlet has some good deals right now
>> https://www.gamers-outlet.net/en/software
>>
>> I just bought a Win11 Pro key for $7, and a VMWare Workstation 17 Pro
>> key for $6.
>
>
> Interesting.

I hope commercial/proprietary VMWare runs guest OSes on Windows faster
than the open source VirtualBox dog.

On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 21:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On 2024-03-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> Tyrone wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 26, 2024 at 4:53:07 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.sucks> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Prove Youir Worth: GNU/Linux Problem"
>>>>
>>>> Nice to see that Linux STILL has no spell-checking.
>>>
>>> Of course Linux has spell checking. Aspell, for one thing.
>>>
>>> But the app has to enable it... you know, like you can do (or disable) in
>>> Microsoft Turd.
>>>
>>> Here's for the vim editor I use for posting in the mews [sic] group:
>>>
>>> https://vimtricks.com/p/vim-spell-check/
>>>
>>> :set spell – Turn on spell checking
>>> :set nospell – Turn off spell checking
>>> ]s – Jump to the next misspelled word
>>> [s – Jump to the previous misspelled word
>>> z= – Bring up the suggested replacements
>>> zg – Good word: Add the word under the cursor to the dictionary
>>> zw – Woops! Undo and remove the word from the dictionary
>>>
>>> Easy peasy. All my mispellings are highlighted now.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, it's a PITA in C++ source code. At least it only flags misspellings in
>>> comments.
>>
>> In Jstar I just run a spell check before posting. Unless I'm feeling lazy.
>> Jstar also uses aspell.
>
>
> Never heard of jstar, but googling it it looks like a custom language?

Jstar is the WordStar variant of JOE (Joe's Own Editor). JOE comes in
different "flavors." One of which is Jstar...

From the JOE man page...

JOE is a powerful console screen editor. It has a "mode-less" user
interface which is similar to many user-friendly PC editors. Users of
Micro-Pro´s WordStar or Borland´s "Turbo" languages will feel at home.
JOE is a full featured UNIX screen-editor though, and has many features
for editing programs and text.

JOE also emulates several other editors. JSTAR is a close imitation of
WordStar with many "JOE" extensions. JPICO is a close imitation of the
Pine mailing system´s PICO editor, but with many extensions and
improvements. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS imitation. RJOE is a restricted
version of JOE, which allows you to edit only the files specified on the
command line.

Although JOE is actually five different editors, it still requires only
one executable, but one with five different names. The name of the editor
with an "rc" appended gives the name of JOE´s initialization file, which
determines the personality of the editor.

JOE is free software; you can distribute it and/or modify it under the
terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
Foundation. JOE is available over the Internet from...
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/joe-editor

I think it's also in most repositories.

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On 2024-03-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:16:38 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>
>> There is a "Visual Studio Code" for Linux.
>
> Sure is. Part of the reason for moving the Win7 netbook to Lubuntu was
> because VS Code doesn't do Win 7. It also isn't available on my 32-bit
> Debian box. Other than that it's on all my machines, Windows or Linux.

I've got VSCodium on my computer to run BetterFountain. VSCodium is an open
source version of Visual Studio Code, and it uses the same extensions. Some
of the extensions, apparently, makes it lose its "open sourceness," however.
I only used it to try it out with BetterFountain, but I like Fountain-Mode
in Emacs better.

> I haven't hit an extension that doesn't work cross-platform either. I use
> PlatformIO for Arduinos and MicroPico for the MicroPython on the RPi Pico
> W. Pylance works for general Python work, the same for the C/C++ and C#
> extensions. The .NET SDK is also cross platform so I do C# on Linux.
> Jupyter Notebooks also works. There are extensions for almost any
> language but those are the ones I use.

<snip>

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 02:25:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I've got VSCodium on my computer to run BetterFountain. VSCodium is an
> open source version of Visual Studio Code, and it uses the same
> extensions. Some of the extensions, apparently, makes it lose its "open
> sourceness," however.
> I only used it to try it out with BetterFountain, but I like
> Fountain-Mode in Emacs better.

PyLance is not open source but it's pretty slick and I'm not a purist. I
ran into that yesterday in a different context. "Do you really want to
install this proprietary Broadcom dfivers?" "Hell yes if it works. The
Panda USB WiFi works fine but it's one more piece to carry."

Apropos of which does anyone know what WiFi stands for?

Le 26-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:53:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> Each time I boot, which, because I use a standalone desktop workstation,
>> is daily, I will check the Internic fundamental "named.root" file for
>> any changes to the root addresses:
>
> You boot daily?

I don't know about him, but I do. What's wrong with that?

> Are you sure you're not running Windows?

It's not about the OS, it's about the usage.

> Unless I'm screwing around I measure uptime in days between power
> failures that outlast the UPS's capability.

What for? My server needs to run 24/7 to be able to receive emails. But
my personal and my professional computers need only to run when I'm using
them. And I never use both of them at the same time. And I never use any
of them when I'm sleeping. There is no need to pollute running computers
for useless hours.

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On 30 Mar 2024 09:19:30 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Le 26-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:53:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> Each time I boot, which, because I use a standalone desktop
>>> workstation,
>>> is daily, I will check the Internic fundamental "named.root" file for
>>> any changes to the root addresses:
>>
>> You boot daily?
>
> I don't know about him, but I do. What's wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with it. I'm just not used to it. The only time the
computers at work or the ones at home reboot are when required after
updates or when the power is off for extended periods. The exception is
laptops if I plan to be away from a power source longer than they can
maintain in hibernate mode.

Le 30-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 30 Mar 2024 09:19:30 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 26-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:53:07 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Each time I boot, which, because I use a standalone desktop
>>>> workstation,
>>>> is daily, I will check the Internic fundamental "named.root" file for
>>>> any changes to the root addresses:
>>>
>>> You boot daily?
>>
>> I don't know about him, but I do. What's wrong with that?
>
> Nothing wrong with it. I'm just not used to it. The only time the
> computers at work or the ones at home reboot are when required after
> updates or when the power is off for extended periods. The exception is
> laptops if I plan to be away from a power source longer than they can
> maintain in hibernate mode.

Now, with systemd and ssd, Linux boot in less than ten seconds. So it's
so fast I really don't care. But unlike him, I don't check anything
because I know my system is OK, so I just use it.

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On 30 Mar 2024 20:40:17 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Now, with systemd and ssd, Linux boot in less than ten seconds. So it's
> so fast I really don't care. But unlike him, I don't check anything
> because I know my system is OK, so I just use it.

My box with the M.2 is about that fast. The ones with SATA ssd's are
limited by the SATA max transfer but are still a lot faster than Windows.

My take of systemd is 'Does it adversely affect me in any way that I
notice?' The answer is no.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 02:20 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 21:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> On 2024-03-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> Tyrone wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2024 at 4:53:07 PM EDT, "Farley Flud" <ff@linux.sucks> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Prove Youir Worth: GNU/Linux Problem"
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to see that Linux STILL has no spell-checking.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Linux has spell checking. Aspell, for one thing.
>>>>
>>>> But the app has to enable it... you know, like you can do (or disable) in
>>>> Microsoft Turd.
>>>>
>>>> Here's for the vim editor I use for posting in the mews [sic] group:
>>>>
>>>> https://vimtricks.com/p/vim-spell-check/
>>>>
>>>> :set spell – Turn on spell checking
>>>> :set nospell – Turn off spell checking
>>>> ]s – Jump to the next misspelled word
>>>> [s – Jump to the previous misspelled word
>>>> z= – Bring up the suggested replacements
>>>> zg – Good word: Add the word under the cursor to the dictionary
>>>> zw – Woops! Undo and remove the word from the dictionary
>>>>
>>>> Easy peasy. All my mispellings are highlighted now.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, it's a PITA in C++ source code. At least it only flags misspellings in
>>>> comments.
>>>
>>> In Jstar I just run a spell check before posting. Unless I'm feeling lazy.
>>> Jstar also uses aspell.
>>
>>
>> Never heard of jstar, but googling it it looks like a custom language?
>
> Jstar is the WordStar variant of JOE (Joe's Own Editor). JOE comes in
> different "flavors." One of which is Jstar...
>
> From the JOE man page...
>
> JOE is a powerful console screen editor. It has a "mode-less" user
> interface which is similar to many user-friendly PC editors. Users of
> Micro-Pro´s WordStar or Borland´s "Turbo" languages will feel at home.
> JOE is a full featured UNIX screen-editor though, and has many features
> for editing programs and text.
>
> JOE also emulates several other editors. JSTAR is a close imitation of
> WordStar with many "JOE" extensions. JPICO is a close imitation of the
> Pine mailing system´s PICO editor, but with many extensions and
> improvements. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS imitation. RJOE is a restricted
> version of JOE, which allows you to edit only the files specified on the
> command line.
>
> Although JOE is actually five different editors, it still requires only
> one executable, but one with five different names. The name of the editor
> with an "rc" appended gives the name of JOE´s initialization file, which
> determines the personality of the editor.
>
> JOE is free software; you can distribute it and/or modify it under the
> terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
> Foundation. JOE is available over the Internet from...
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/joe-editor
>
> I think it's also in most repositories.

Neat. It is in the arch repo.
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 02:25 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 2024-03-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:16:38 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There is a "Visual Studio Code" for Linux.
>>
>> Sure is. Part of the reason for moving the Win7 netbook to Lubuntu was
>> because VS Code doesn't do Win 7. It also isn't available on my 32-bit
>> Debian box. Other than that it's on all my machines, Windows or Linux.
>
> I've got VSCodium on my computer to run BetterFountain. VSCodium is an open
> source version of Visual Studio Code, and it uses the same extensions. Some
> of the extensions, apparently, makes it lose its "open sourceness," however.
> I only used it to try it out with BetterFountain, but I like Fountain-Mode
> in Emacs better.
>
>> I haven't hit an extension that doesn't work cross-platform either. I use
>> PlatformIO for Arduinos and MicroPico for the MicroPython on the RPi Pico
>> W. Pylance works for general Python work, the same for the C/C++ and C#
>> extensions. The .NET SDK is also cross platform so I do C# on Linux.
>> Jupyter Notebooks also works. There are extensions for almost any
>> language but those are the ones I use.
>
><snip>

DMI editor extension seemed broken to me..
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 15:00:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> DMI editor extension seemed broken to me..

Not a clue since I don't do games. It's sort of a png?

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 15:13 this Monday (GMT):
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 15:00:11 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> DMI editor extension seemed broken to me..
>
> Not a clue since I don't do games. It's sort of a png?

Yeah, its /literally/ just a png that has some spritesheet data in the
zTXT field. It was so simplistic I wrote a c program to manage it..right
before i stopped developing for that game :P

its on github
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:29:40 -0400
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>
> I hope commercial/proprietary VMWare runs guest OSes on Windows
> faster than the open source VirtualBox dog.

ESXi was a good product until Broadcom decided to drop perpetual
licencing. Virtualbox is a toy for weenies.

Sam wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:29:40 -0400
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope commercial/proprietary VMWare runs guest OSes on Windows
>> faster than the open source VirtualBox dog.
>
> ESXi was a good product until Broadcom decided to drop perpetual
> licencing. Virtualbox is a toy for weenies.

:-D You funny man

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On 4/3/2024 4:57 AM, Sam wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:29:40 -0400
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I hope commercial/proprietary VMWare runs guest OSes on Windows
>> faster than the open source VirtualBox dog.
>
>
>
> ESXi was a good product until Broadcom decided to drop perpetual
> licencing. Virtualbox is a toy for weenies.

"I do not like VirtualBox. I do not like it Sam-I-Am."