Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you use YouTube-DL software?

In article <slhd8k$1937$1@gioia.aioe.org>, konda
<kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you
> use YouTube-DL software?

they've been doing that for roughly a month.

"konda" <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote

| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
you use YouTube-DL software?
|

I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.

People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.
So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.

Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
videos! Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
know for sure.

In article <slhg06$7s8$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.

it hasn't been updated in months

> So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
> not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
> doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
> all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
> but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.

time to upgrade.

> Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
> checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
> given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
> videos!

no id is needed.

> Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
> know for sure.

it does not.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:52:23 -0400, "Mayayana"
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>"konda" <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote
>
>| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
>you use YouTube-DL software?
>|
>
> I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
>to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
>times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
>download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.

+1
Speeds down to almost dialup.
No restarts though, it's been slow and steady.
>
> People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.
>So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
>not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
>doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
>all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
>but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.

+1
>
> Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
>checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
>given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
>videos! Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
>know for sure.

I get a "Please login to you Google account to continue" if I
try looking at the webpage(any youtube link, I've never downloaded
PrOn from youtube).
Anyone not getting that has probably been ID'd either by
his/her OS or a datamining browser.
Youtube-dl bypasses that, but it is painfully slow. I always
download at 480p(-f 18), and even then a download can take hours.
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:52:23 -0400, "Mayayana"
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>"konda" <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote
>
>| Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
>you use YouTube-DL software?
>|
>
> I've noticed increasingly common problems where I have
>to stop the download and restart it, sometimes several
>times. I wrote my own graphical front-end and have a
>download guage with my firewall, so it's not a big deal.
>
> People have said that youtube-dl is being discontinued.
>So far I have no confirmation of that and the website has
>not posted any notice. The alternative fork recommended
>doesn't support XP... So, I've been wondering what to think
>all around. Just this morning I was researching alternatives,
>but there don't really seem to be any worth trying.
>
> Tangentially, people have also been complaining about age
>checks. Apparently the concern about kids getting porn has
>given Google a perfect excuse to demand an ID to view
>videos! Presumably downloading bypasses that, but I don't
>know for sure.
>
I have been banned from commenting on youTube videos because "I've not
adhered to their guidelines"; I'm automatically transferred to their
voluminous guidelines pages - all as verbose as the bible - and they
won't tell where I have transgressed! I have contacted them but all I
get is a referral to their guidelines!

"Shadow" <Sh@dow.br> wrote

| I get a "Please login to you Google account to continue" if I
| try looking at the webpage(any youtube link, I've never downloaded
| PrOn from youtube).

Interesting. So it's becoming a private, closed operation,
like Facebook. I haven't even seen a youtube webpage for
years, since they stopped working without javascript.

On 10/29/2021 11:02 AM, konda wrote:
> Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads
> when you use YouTube-DL software?

Have you tried yt-dlp from <https://github.com/yt-dlp/>? The developer
claims this is "A youtube-dl fork with additional features and fixes".
The developer also claims youtube-dlc is now inactive (whatever that
means).

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In alt.windows7.general nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slhd8k$1937$1@gioia.aioe.org>, konda
> <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you
> > use YouTube-DL software?

> they've been doing that for roughly a month.

IIRC, longer than that but less frequent.
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In alt.windows7.general David E. Ross <not_me@not_there.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 11:02 AM, konda wrote:
> > Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads
> > when you use YouTube-DL software?

> Have you tried yt-dlp from <https://github.com/yt-dlp/>? The developer
> claims this is "A youtube-dl fork with additional features and fixes".
> The developer also claims youtube-dlc is now inactive (whatever that
> means).

Ditto.
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In article <QcCdnXakWtYNceH8nZ2dnUU7-Q2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> > > Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
> > > you
> > > use YouTube-DL software?
>
> > they've been doing that for roughly a month.
>
> IIRC, longer than that but less frequent.

it did, but was rare, and restarting it went full speed. now that no
longer happens. it's always throttled.

On 30/10/2021 12.36, nospam wrote:
> In article <QcCdnXakWtYNceH8nZ2dnUU7-Q2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>>>> Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
>>>> you
>>>> use YouTube-DL software?
>>
>>> they've been doing that for roughly a month.
>>
>> IIRC, longer than that but less frequent.
>
> it did, but was rare, and restarting it went full speed. now that no
> longer happens. it's always throttled.
>

It has been an arms race between the script developers and youtube. I
guess the youtube people have found a way to throttle youtube-dl, and as
there are no new script versions since June, they succeeded.

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| John,
| | Why do you remove newsgroups and why don't you say so?
| | Now there are several unconnected discussions in several groups, which
| is unproductive and suits no purpose.
|

I was wondering about that too. The topic of youtube-dl,
whether to possibly replace it, and if so, with what, is a
potentially relevant topic for all Windows users but there are
different issues for different versions.

For the record, as Frank said, this topic is going on
separately in each of 3 groups.

"konda" <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:slhd8k$1937$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when
> you use YouTube-DL software?

I sometimes use WinX Youtube Downloader and I noticed it was throttling to
about 0.04% of 1 Gbps or 400 bits/second.

But they have produced a new update to the program (V5.9 rather than V5.8
which I had before) which fixes this - until Youtube find a way round it.

It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people
watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.

In article <sln3ep$jta$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people
> watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.

there is no confusion. it's a violation of their terms of service.

"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote

| It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people
| watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.
|

It's by design, not only to show ads but also to make the videos
themselves into ads. For example, SNL seems to post outtakes
from their show to get the gossip mill going, but then they take
them down later and they can only be seen on their netwrok website.
NBC, ABC, or whatever it is.

On 10/31/2021 5:55 PM, NY wrote:
> "konda" <kondalavanya335@gmail.com> wrote in message news:slhd8k$1937$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> Have you noticed that youtube has started throttling the downloads when you use YouTube-DL software?
>
> I sometimes use WinX Youtube Downloader and I noticed it was throttling to about 0.04% of 1 Gbps or 400 bits/second.
>
> But they have produced a new update to the program (V5.9 rather than V5.8 which I had before) which fixes this - until Youtube find a way round it.
>
> It is a confounded nuisance that Youtube don't provide a way of people watching videos offline and saving them in case they get taken down.

The YTDL version doesn't necessarily have the Google adverts in it.
That's a loss of "revenue".

As for the method, the download tools can do:

Byte range
0-100000 \
100000-200000 \
200000-300000 \
300000-400000 \___ The downloader can open seven connections, and even if
400000-500000 / a connection is limited, this way they get 7x the limit.
500000-600000 /
600000-700000 / Servers can limit the number of connections as well
as the bandwidth per connection.

If John and Mary are in the same house, and using Youtube at the
same time, the IP address of the requests is the same for both of them.
The server then, has a problem in that, if it is "careless", either John
or Mary might not get the service they expected.

If each client is carefully labeled enough, then the server might be
able to police John and Mary to one connection each (such as might
be used by the video player). But even their video player might
use byte ranges, so the mode likely still exists.

There are a few degrees of freedom to the problem, of policing
without screwing up the service. But if done right, then all
those users out there get to enjoy endless Grammerly adverts :-)

Worst case, a YTDL should still be able to capture at 1X.
So a 60 minute movie, takes 60 minutes to capture.
That's the ideal state from Googles perspective, even
if the adverts aren't mixed in.

They can't practically mux the adverts into the vid,
because that takes work. It's easier (especially on my news sites
here), to play the advert as a separate video, so you can rotate them
willy-nilly and a client sees the same advert less often. That's if
they have enough adverts to serve. Most users are sad pandas, if
the same stinking Grammerly advert plays over and over again.

Paul