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* 7 years ago on cola...DFS
`* Re: 7 years ago on cola...Joel
 `* Re: 7 years ago on cola...DFS
  +- Re: 7 years ago on cola...rbowman
  +- Re: 7 years ago on cola...Joel
  +* Re: 7 years ago on cola...vallor
  |`- Re: 7 years ago on cola...Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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7 years ago on cola...

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From: nospam@dfs.com (DFS)
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Subject: 7 years ago on cola...
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 by: DFS - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:43 UTC

....I was running Manjaro/xfce, and did a little 'experiment': installed
mucho desktops.

$ sudo pacman -S <DE name>

LXDE (installed in 20 seconds)
fluxbox (installed in 5 seconds)
gnustep (target not found)
cinnamon (installed in 20 seconds)
deepin (bunch of errors)
budgie (target not found)
enlightenment (installed in 20 seconds)
gnome and gnome-extra (huge - but installed in about 2 minutes)
kde,kde4,kde5,plasma5 (all failed, target not found)
lxqt (installed in 5 seconds)
mate (installed in 20 seconds)
awesome (tiling window mgr - installed in 3 seconds)
cde (target not found)
razor-qt (errors)
icewm (installed in 3 seconds)

At the end, this is what the login mgr (SLIM) looked like:

http://imgur.com/a/aO1Ib

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From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
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Subject: Re: 7 years ago on cola...
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 by: Joel - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:09 UTC

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>...I was running Manjaro/xfce, and did a little 'experiment': installed
>mucho desktops.
>
>
>$ sudo pacman -S <DE name>
>
>LXDE (installed in 20 seconds)
>fluxbox (installed in 5 seconds)
>gnustep (target not found)
>cinnamon (installed in 20 seconds)
>deepin (bunch of errors)
>budgie (target not found)
>enlightenment (installed in 20 seconds)
>gnome and gnome-extra (huge - but installed in about 2 minutes)
>kde,kde4,kde5,plasma5 (all failed, target not found)
>lxqt (installed in 5 seconds)
>mate (installed in 20 seconds)
>awesome (tiling window mgr - installed in 3 seconds)
>cde (target not found)
>razor-qt (errors)
>icewm (installed in 3 seconds)
>
>
>At the end, this is what the login mgr (SLIM) looked like:
>
>http://imgur.com/a/aO1Ib

That's an amazing thing that Linux can do, if one is scatterbrained.
It's cool that your experiment showed that it will work with whatever
we throw at the system.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Re: 7 years ago on cola...

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 by: DFS - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 22:59 UTC

On 3/24/2024 3:09 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> ...I was running Manjaro/xfce, and did a little 'experiment': installed
>> mucho desktops.
>>
>>
>> $ sudo pacman -S <DE name>
>>
>> LXDE (installed in 20 seconds)
>> fluxbox (installed in 5 seconds)
>> gnustep (target not found)
>> cinnamon (installed in 20 seconds)
>> deepin (bunch of errors)
>> budgie (target not found)
>> enlightenment (installed in 20 seconds)
>> gnome and gnome-extra (huge - but installed in about 2 minutes)
>> kde,kde4,kde5,plasma5 (all failed, target not found)
>> lxqt (installed in 5 seconds)
>> mate (installed in 20 seconds)
>> awesome (tiling window mgr - installed in 3 seconds)
>> cde (target not found)
>> razor-qt (errors)
>> icewm (installed in 3 seconds)
>>
>>
>> At the end, this is what the login mgr (SLIM) looked like:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/aO1Ib
>
>
> That's an amazing thing that Linux can do, if one is scatterbrained.
> It's cool that your experiment showed that it will work with whatever
> we throw at the system.

It is very cool. But 'scatterbrained' - what are you babbling about?

I was curious about how Linux would handle all those desktops. When you
add a DE, entries are added to /usr/share/xsessions and the login
manager SLIM picks them up from there and presents them.

Ideally each desktop environment would load and run flawlessly, and
uninstall without interfering with the others (ie would it remove shared
icon sets)

I talked more about it back then:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem with installing all those is it downloads a boatload of
packages and you get some duplicates listed in various places. And if
you try to uninstall everything but one, the system might break. Later
I'll uninstall all but xfce and see what happens.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't think I followed up and removed all but the original (xfce).
But I am curious what would happen if I did. So it's an experiment I
should try again. Failure will result in hard cola trolling.

Re: 7 years ago on cola...

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Subject: Re: 7 years ago on cola...
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 by: rbowman - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:07 UTC

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:59:13 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Ideally each desktop environment would load and run flawlessly, and
> uninstall without interfering with the others (ie would it remove shared
> icon sets)

Years ago I found I really disliked the Ubuntu Gnome DE and installed KDE
rather than installing Kubuntu from scratch. It had oddities and I kept my
fingers crossed during updates.

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From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
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 by: Joel - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:17 UTC

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> ...I was running Manjaro/xfce, and did a little 'experiment': installed
>>> mucho desktops.
>>>
>>>
>>> $ sudo pacman -S <DE name>
>>>
>>> LXDE (installed in 20 seconds)
>>> fluxbox (installed in 5 seconds)
>>> gnustep (target not found)
>>> cinnamon (installed in 20 seconds)
>>> deepin (bunch of errors)
>>> budgie (target not found)
>>> enlightenment (installed in 20 seconds)
>>> gnome and gnome-extra (huge - but installed in about 2 minutes)
>>> kde,kde4,kde5,plasma5 (all failed, target not found)
>>> lxqt (installed in 5 seconds)
>>> mate (installed in 20 seconds)
>>> awesome (tiling window mgr - installed in 3 seconds)
>>> cde (target not found)
>>> razor-qt (errors)
>>> icewm (installed in 3 seconds)
>>>
>>>
>>> At the end, this is what the login mgr (SLIM) looked like:
>>>
>>> http://imgur.com/a/aO1Ib
>>
>> That's an amazing thing that Linux can do, if one is scatterbrained.
>> It's cool that your experiment showed that it will work with whatever
>> we throw at the system.
>
>It is very cool. But 'scatterbrained' - what are you babbling about?

I'm suggesting that it's tinkering, not something that would normally
be a thing to do.

>I was curious about how Linux would handle all those desktops. When you
>add a DE, entries are added to /usr/share/xsessions and the login
>manager SLIM picks them up from there and presents them.
>
>Ideally each desktop environment would load and run flawlessly, and
>uninstall without interfering with the others (ie would it remove shared
>icon sets)
>
>I talked more about it back then:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The problem with installing all those is it downloads a boatload of
>packages and you get some duplicates listed in various places. And if
>you try to uninstall everything but one, the system might break. Later
>I'll uninstall all but xfce and see what happens.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I don't think I followed up and removed all but the original (xfce).
>But I am curious what would happen if I did. So it's an experiment I
>should try again. Failure will result in hard cola trolling.

Let us know, I guess.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Re: 7 years ago on cola...

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On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:59:13 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<utqb83$ks3m$1@dont-email.me>:
> I don't think I followed up and removed all but the original (xfce).
> But I am curious what would happen if I did. So it's an experiment I
> should try again. Failure will result in hard cola trolling.

Okay, you didn't say you were going to do it, only that you
_should_ do it...

I guess I could try it, but don't you think DE's have learned
to stay out of each other's way after all these years?

--
-v

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 07:07 UTC

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:59:13 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Ideally each desktop environment would load and run flawlessly, and
> uninstall without interfering with the others (ie would it remove shared
> icon sets)

Of course it wouldn’t.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 07:07 UTC

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 15:21:43 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> ... but don't you think DE's have learned to stay
> out of each other's way after all these years?

The package manager takes care of all that. That and common GUI
specifications from the likes of freedesktop.org.

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