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* When will the madness end?DFS
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 |`* Re: When will the madness end?Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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 |     `* Re: When will the madness end?DFS
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 `* Re: When will the madness end?Chris Ahlstrom
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  |  `* Re: When will the madness end?Stéphane CARPENTIER
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begin madness
=============================================================================
dfs@WSL:~$ sudo apt install gedit
[sudo] password for dfs:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell aspell-en
at-spi2-core bubblewrap
dbus-user-session dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
dictionaries-common docbook-xml emacsen-common
enchant-2 fontconfig gedit-common gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop
gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0
gir1.2-gtksource-4 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0
gir1.2-peas-1.0 glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services
gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-gl
gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x
gtk-update-icon-cache
hicolor-icon-theme humanity-icon-theme hunspell-en-us libaa1
libasound2 libasound2-data libaspell15
libasyncns0 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data
libatspi2.0-0 libavahi-client3
libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavc1394-0 libcaca0
libcairo-gobject2 libcairo2 libcanberra0
libcdparanoia0 libcolord2 libcups2 libdatrie1 libdconf1
libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2
libdrm-radeon1 libdv4 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0
libevdev2 libflac8 libgbm1
libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common
libgl1 libgl1-amber-dri libgl1-mesa-dri
libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglvnd0 libglx-mesa0 libglx0
libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3 libgspell-1-2
libgspell-1-common libgstreamer-gl1.0-0
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-good1.0-0
libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libgtksourceview-4-0
libgtksourceview-4-common libgudev-1.0-0
libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b libhunspell-1.7-0
libhyphen0 libiec61883-0 libjack-jackd2-0
libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 libjson-glib-1.0-0
libjson-glib-1.0-common liblcms2-2 libllvm15 libltdl7
libmanette-0.2-0 libmp3lame0 libmpg123-0 libnotify4 libogg0
libopenjp2-7 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0
libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
libpangoxft-1.0-0 libpciaccess0 libpeas-1.0-0
libpeas-common libpipewire-0.3-0 libpipewire-0.3-common
libpipewire-0.3-modules libpixman-1-0
libproxy1v5 libpulse0 libraw1394-11 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common
libsamplerate0 libsecret-1-0
libsecret-common libsensors-config libsensors5 libshout3 libsndfile1
libsoup2.4-1 libsoup2.4-common
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libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0
libtwolame0 libv4l-0 libv4lconvert0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvorbis0a
libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 libvpx7
libwavpack1 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-egl1
libwayland-server0
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 libwebpdemux2 libwebrtc-audio-processing1
libwoff1 libwpe-1.0-1
libwpebackend-fdo-1.0-1 libx11-xcb1 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0
libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0
libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb-xfixes0
libxcomposite1 libxcursor1
libxdamage1 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxkbcommon0
libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxshmfence1
libxslt1.1 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86vm1 libyelp0 pipewire pipewire-bin
pipewire-media-session
python3-cairo python3-gi-cairo rtkit session-migration sgml-base
sgml-data sound-theme-freedesktop
ubuntu-mono x11-common xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal
xdg-desktop-portal-gtk xml-core yelp yelp-xsl
zenity zenity-common
Suggested packages:
aspell-doc spellutils wordlist docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl
docbook-defguide gedit-plugins gvfs
hunspell openoffice.org-hunspell | openoffice.org-core
libasound2-plugins alsa-utils libcanberra-gtk0
libcanberra-pulse colord cups-common libdv-bin oss-compat
libenchant-2-voikko libvisual-0.4-plugins
jackd2 liblcms2-utils gnome-shell | notification-daemon opus-tools
pulseaudio libraw1394-doc
librsvg2-bin lm-sensors speex gstreamer1.0-libav
gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-alsa
sgml-base-doc perlsgml w3-recs opensp libxml2-utils accountsservice
evince xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
debhelper
The following NEW packages will be installed:
adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell aspell-en
at-spi2-core bubblewrap
dbus-user-session dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
dictionaries-common docbook-xml emacsen-common
enchant-2 fontconfig gedit gedit-common gir1.2-atk-1.0
gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0
gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-gtksource-4 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0
gir1.2-pango-1.0 gir1.2-peas-1.0 glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services
gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-gl
gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x
gtk-update-icon-cache
hicolor-icon-theme humanity-icon-theme hunspell-en-us libaa1
libasound2 libasound2-data libaspell15
libasyncns0 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data
libatspi2.0-0 libavahi-client3
libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavc1394-0 libcaca0
libcairo-gobject2 libcairo2 libcanberra0
libcdparanoia0 libcolord2 libcups2 libdatrie1 libdconf1
libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2
libdrm-radeon1 libdv4 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0
libevdev2 libflac8 libgbm1
libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common
libgl1 libgl1-amber-dri libgl1-mesa-dri
libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglvnd0 libglx-mesa0 libglx0
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libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libgtksourceview-4-0
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libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b libhunspell-1.7-0
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libmanette-0.2-0 libmp3lame0 libmpg123-0 libnotify4 libogg0
libopenjp2-7 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0
libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
libpangoxft-1.0-0 libpciaccess0 libpeas-1.0-0
libpeas-common libpipewire-0.3-0 libpipewire-0.3-common
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libproxy1v5 libpulse0 libraw1394-11 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common
libsamplerate0 libsecret-1-0
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libsoup2.4-1 libsoup2.4-common
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libgraphene-1.0-0 amd64 1.10.8-1 [48.2 kB]
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 by: rbowman - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 06:43 UTC

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 15:20:14 -0400, DFS wrote:

> 419MB of disk space and 214 newly installed packages for a hobbyist,
> simple-simon text editor?
>

Just use the handy package manager GUI and ignore the noise. It will be
just like installing something on Windows that downloads the world.

I don't use it but apparently have it on the Ubuntu box.

gedit is already the newest version (41.0-3).
gedit set to manually installed.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:
libftdi1-2 libgeos3.10.2 libhidapi-hidraw0 libqgis-3d3.22.7 libqgis-
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libsigrokcxx4
libsigrokdecode4 pulseview sigrok-cli sigrok-firmware-fx2lafw
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.

Does Windows ever offer to take out the garbage?

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 by: DFS - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 13:34 UTC

On 3/24/2024 2:43 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 15:20:14 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> 419MB of disk space and 214 newly installed packages for a hobbyist,
>> simple-simon text editor?
>>
>
> Just use the handy package manager GUI and ignore the noise. It will be
> just like installing something on Windows that downloads the world.
>
> I don't use it but apparently have it on the Ubuntu box.
>
> gedit is already the newest version (41.0-3).
> gedit set to manually installed.
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> required:
> libftdi1-2 libgeos3.10.2 libhidapi-hidraw0 libqgis-3d3.22.7 libqgis-
> analysis3.22.7
> libqgis-app3.22.7 libqgis-core3.22.7 libqgis-gui3.22.7 libqgis-
> native3.22.7
> libqgis-server3.22.7 libqgisgrass8-3.22.7 libqgispython3.22.7 libsigrok4
> libsigrokcxx4
> libsigrokdecode4 pulseview sigrok-cli sigrok-firmware-fx2lafw
> Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
>
> Does Windows ever offer to take out the garbage?

Not lib by lib. Windows hides nearly everything that would scare
Grandma, and then tries to escort her across the traffic. I generally
hate the half-ass handholding (and sometimes the opacity) of Windows,
but as ever my focus is on application software.

MS Office 2003 offers to remove files used during setup. They're put in
a temp MSOCache folder hanging off the root of the folder from which
Office was installed (if it was installed from a writeable device).

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 by: Chris Ahlstrom - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 13:36 UTC

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 15:20:14 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> 419MB of disk space and 214 newly installed packages for a hobbyist,
>> simple-simon text editor?

The "madness" lies in starting with a base install, installing a GNOME editor,
being suprised that it installs a bunch of stuff for the GNOME desktop, and
then counting it up and posting it to COLA.

A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the number of
(usually KDE) dependencies it has.

> Just use the handy package manager GUI and ignore the noise. It will be
> just like installing something on Windows that downloads the world.
>
> I don't use it but apparently have it on the Ubuntu box.
>
> gedit is already the newest version (41.0-3).
> gedit set to manually installed.
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> required:
> libftdi1-2 libgeos3.10.2 libhidapi-hidraw0 libqgis-3d3.22.7 libqgis-
> analysis3.22.7
> libqgis-app3.22.7 libqgis-core3.22.7 libqgis-gui3.22.7 libqgis-
> native3.22.7
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> libsigrokcxx4
> libsigrokdecode4 pulseview sigrok-cli sigrok-firmware-fx2lafw
> Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
>
> Does Windows ever offer to take out the garbage?

Heh, often an update on Linux will slightly reduced the amount of
installed bytes.

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 by: Stéphane CARPENTIER - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 13:49 UTC

Le 24-03-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>
> A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the number of
> (usually KDE) dependencies it has.

I did it, too.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:10 UTC

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 13:49 this Sunday (GMT):
> Le 24-03-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>>
>> A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the number of
>> (usually KDE) dependencies it has.
>
> I did it, too.

Yeah, the sheer number of KDE dependecies can be a lot sometimes.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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 by: rbowman - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:09 UTC

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 13:49 this Sunday (GMT):
>> Le 24-03-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>>>
>>> A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the
>>> number of (usually KDE) dependencies it has.
>>
>> I did it, too.
>
>
> Yeah, the sheer number of KDE dependecies can be a lot sometimes.

Among others I have an Ubuntu machine and a Fedora with the KDE spin. If
it looks messy on Ubuntu I put it on the Fedora box.

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 by: Stéphane CARPENTIER - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:50 UTC

Le 24-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 13:49 this Sunday
>> (GMT):
>>> Le 24-03-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the
>>>> number of (usually KDE) dependencies it has.
>>>
>>> I did it, too.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the sheer number of KDE dependecies can be a lot sometimes.
>
> Among others I have an Ubuntu machine and a Fedora with the KDE spin.
> If it looks messy on Ubuntu I put it on the Fedora box.

If you are using KDE, you can add any program which comes with it. Some
of their programs are pretty good in fact. For example, before using
slrn, I used knode which was a good GUI to read newsgroups.

But if you don't have KDE, you need to install it before being able to
use any of its programs. Which is a no-go for me.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:45 UTC

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:34:06 -0400, DFS wrote:

> MS Office 2003 offers to remove files used during setup.

If they’re only “used during setup”, why does it need to “offer” to remove
them? Why not just clean up the mess it itself made, and be done with it?

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 by: rbowman - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 22:44 UTC

On 24 Mar 2024 20:50:41 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> If you are using KDE, you can add any program which comes with it. Some
> of their programs are pretty good in fact. For example, before using
> slrn, I used knode which was a good GUI to read newsgroups.

I liked KNode but it's history.

https://apps.kde.org/knode/

This app is unmaintained and no longer released by the KDE community.

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 by: DFS - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:29 UTC

On 3/24/2024 5:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:34:06 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> MS Office 2003 offers to remove files used during setup.
>
> If they’re only “used during setup”, why does it need to “offer” to remove
> them? Why not just clean up the mess it itself made, and be done with it?

You're not keeping up with current events.

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 by: chrisv - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:40 UTC

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> 419MB of disk space and 214 newly installed packages for a hobbyist,
>>> simple-simon text editor?
>
>The "madness" lies in starting with a base install, installing a GNOME editor,
>being suprised that it installs a bunch of stuff for the GNOME desktop, and
>then counting it up and posting it to COLA.

DumFSck_ignorant_attack++;

--
"Every retail box of a MS product includes the offer of a 90-day
refund." - DumFSck, so damned *stupid* that he thought that
complaints about the difficulty of getting refunded for Windows were
about the "retail box", not pre-installs

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 00:45 UTC

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:29:03 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 3/24/2024 5:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:34:06 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> MS Office 2003 offers to remove files used during setup.
>>
>> If they’re only “used during setup”, why does it need to “offer” to remove
>> them? Why not just clean up the mess it itself made, and be done with it?
>
> You're not keeping up with current events.
>
> [long list of packages that have nothing to do with Microsoft Office 2003]

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 by: DFS - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:48 UTC

On 3/24/2024 8:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:29:03 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/2024 5:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:34:06 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> MS Office 2003 offers to remove files used during setup.
>>>
>>> If they’re only “used during setup”, why does it need to “offer” to remove
>>> them? Why not just clean up the mess it itself made, and be done with it?
>>
>> You're not keeping up with current events.
>>
>> [long list of packages that have nothing to do with Microsoft Office 2003]

Geez...

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Why didn't I hear you drooling about them?

"If they’re only “used during setup”, why does it need to “offer” to
remove them? Why not just clean up the mess it itself made, and be done
with it?"

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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:00 UTC

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 20:50 this Sunday (GMT):
> Le 24-03-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 15:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 13:49 this Sunday
>>> (GMT):
>>>> Le 24-03-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> A few time I have decided not to install a package because of the
>>>>> number of (usually KDE) dependencies it has.
>>>>
>>>> I did it, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the sheer number of KDE dependecies can be a lot sometimes.
>>
>> Among others I have an Ubuntu machine and a Fedora with the KDE spin.
>> If it looks messy on Ubuntu I put it on the Fedora box.
>
> If you are using KDE, you can add any program which comes with it. Some
> of their programs are pretty good in fact. For example, before using
> slrn, I used knode which was a good GUI to read newsgroups.
>
> But if you don't have KDE, you need to install it before being able to
> use any of its programs. Which is a no-go for me.

Yeah, and I don't really like the UI that KDE has.
--
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 by: DFS - Tue, 26 Mar 2024 14:06 UTC

On 3/24/2024 9:36 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 15:20:14 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> 419MB of disk space and 214 newly installed packages for a hobbyist,
>>> simple-simon text editor?
>
> The "madness" lies in starting with a base install, installing a GNOME editor,
> being suprised that it installs a bunch of stuff for the GNOME desktop, and
> then counting it up and posting it to COLA.

Minimum 419MB of disk space and 259 packages (dependencies and
suggested) for that piece of crap?

And what are all those sound-related libraries doing in there?

Notepad++ is doomed.

for i,pkg in enumerate(sorted(set(packages.split()))): print(i+1,pkg)

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1 accountsservice
2 adwaita-icon-theme
3 alsa-topology-conf
4 alsa-ucm-conf
5 alsa-utils
6 aspell
7 aspell-doc
8 aspell-en
9 at-spi2-core
10 bubblewrap
11 colord
12 cups-common
13 dbus-user-session
14 dconf-gsettings-backend
15 dconf-service
16 debhelper
17 dictionaries-common
18 docbook
19 docbook-defguide
20 docbook-dsssl
21 docbook-xml
22 docbook-xsl
23 emacsen-common
24 enchant-2
25 evince
26 fontconfig
27 gedit
28 gedit-common
29 gedit-plugins
30 gir1.2-atk-1.0
31 gir1.2-freedesktop
32 gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0
33 gir1.2-gtk-3.0
34 gir1.2-gtksource-4
35 gir1.2-harfbuzz-0.0
36 gir1.2-pango-1.0
37 gir1.2-peas-1.0
38 glib-networking
39 glib-networking-common
40 glib-networking-services
41 gnome-shell
42 gsettings-desktop-schemas
43 gstreamer1.0-alsa
44 gstreamer1.0-gl
45 gstreamer1.0-libav
46 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
47 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
48 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
49 gstreamer1.0-x
50 gtk-update-icon-cache
51 gvfs
52 hicolor-icon-theme
53 humanity-icon-theme
54 hunspell
55 hunspell-en-us
56 jackd2
57 libaa1
58 libasound2
59 libasound2-data
60 libasound2-plugins
61 libaspell1
62 libaspell15
63 libasyncns0
64 libatk-bridge2.0-0
65 libatk1.0-0
66 libatk1.0-data
67 libatspi2.0-0
68 libavahi-client3
69 libavahi-common-data
70 libavahi-common3
71 libavc1394-0
72 libcaca0
73 libcairo-gobject2
74 libcairo2
75 libcanberra-gtk0
76 libcanberra-pulse
77 libcanberra0
78 libcdparanoia0
79 libcolord2
80 libcups2
81 libdatrie1
82 libdconf1
83 libdrm-amdgpu1
84 libdrm-intel1
85 libdrm-nouveau2
86 libdrm-radeon1
87 libdv-bin
88 libdv4
89 libegl-mesa0
90 libegl1
91 libenchant-2-2
92 libenchant-2-voikko
93 libepoxy0
94 libevdev2
95 libflac8
96 libgbm1
97 libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0
98 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin
99 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common
100 libgl1
101 libgl1-amber-dri
102 libgl1-mesa-dri
103 libglapi-mesa
104 libgles2
105 libglvnd0
106 libglx-mesa0
107 libglx0
108 libgraphene-1.0-0
109 libgraphite2-3
110 libgspell-1-2
111 libgspell-1-common
112 libgstreamer-gl1.0-0
113 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0
114 libgstreamer-plugins-good1.0-0
115 libgtk-3-0
116 libgtk-3-bin
117 libgtk-3-common
118 libgtksourceview-4-0
119 libgtksourceview-4-common
120 libgudev-1.0-0
121 libhandy-1-0
122 libharfbuzz-icu0
123 libharfbuzz0b
124 libhunspell-1.7-0
125 libhyphen0
126 libiec61883-0
127 libjack-jackd2-0
128 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18
129 libjson-glib-1.0-0
130 libjson-glib-1.0-common
131 liblcms2-2
132 liblcms2-utils
133 libllvm15
134 libltdl7
135 libmanette-0.2-0
136 libmp3lame0
137 libmpg123-0
138 libnotify4
139 libogg0
140 libopenjp2-7
141 libopus0
142 liborc-0.4-0
143 libpango-1.0-0
144 libpangocairo-1.0-0
145 libpangoft2-1.0-0
146 libpangoxft-1.0-0
147 libpciaccess0
148 libpeas-1.0-0
149 libpeas-common
150 libpipewire-0.3-0
151 libpipewire-0.3-common
152 libpipewire-0.3-modules
153 libpixman-1-0
154 libproxy1v5
155 libpulse0
156 libraw1394-11
157 libraw1394-doc
158 librsvg2-2
159 librsvg2-bin
160 librsvg2-common
161 libsamplerate0
162 libsecret-1-0
163 libsecret-common
164 libsensors-config
165 libsensors5
166 libshout3
167 libsndfile1
168 libsoup2.4-1
169 libsoup2.4-common
170 libspa-0.2-modules
171 libspeex1
172 libtag1v5
173 libtag1v5-vanilla
174 libtdb1
175 libthai-data
176 libthai0
177 libtheora0
178 libtwolame0
179 libv4l-0
180 libv4lconvert0
181 libvisual-0.4-0
182 libvisual-0.4-plugins
183 libvorbis0a
184 libvorbisenc2
185 libvorbisfile3
186 libvpx7
187 libwavpack1
188 libwayland-client0
189 libwayland-cursor0
190 libwayland-egl1
191 libwayland-server0
192 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
193 libwebpdemux2
194 libwebrtc-audio-processing1
195 libwoff1
196 libwpe-1.0-1
197 libwpebackend-fdo-1.0-1
198 libx11-xcb1
199 libxcb-dri2-0
200 libxcb-dri3-0
201 libxcb-glx0
202 libxcb-present0
203 libxcb-randr0
204 libxcb-render0
205 libxcb-shm0
206 libxcb-sync1
207 libxcb-xfixes0
208 libxcomposite1
209 libxcursor1
210 libxdamage1
211 libxfixes3
212 libxft2
213 libxi6
214 libxinerama1
215 libxkbcommon0
216 libxml2-utils
217 libxrandr2
218 libxrender1
219 libxshmfence1
220 libxslt1.1
221 libxtst6
222 libxv1
223 libxxf86vm1
224 libyelp0
225 lm-sensors
226 notification-daemon
227 openoffice.org-core
228 openoffice.org-hunspell
229 opensp
230 opus-tools
231 oss-compat
232 perlsgml
233 pipewire
234 pipewire-bin
235 pipewire-media-session
236 pulseaudio
237 python3-cairo
238 python3-gi-cairo
239 rtkit
240 session-migration
241 sgml-base
242 sgml-base-doc
243 sgml-data
244 sound-theme-freedesktop
245 speex
246 spellutils
247 ubuntu-mono
248 w3-recs
249 wordlist
250 x11-common
251 xdg-dbus-proxy
252 xdg-desktop-portal
253 xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
254 xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
255 xml-core
256 yelp
257 yelp-xsl
258 zenity
259 zenity-common
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 by: rbowman - Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:32 UTC

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:06:22 -0400, DFS wrote:

> And what are all those sound-related libraries doing in there?

I've wondered about that. While I like DBeaver and update on the Fedora
KDE spin requires a cubic crap load of freedesktop. I don't like it that
much.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 26 Mar 2024 21:02 UTC

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 08:48:47 -0400, DFS wrote:

> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> required:

That’s because you had something else installed that required them, that
you have now removed.

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 by: DFS - Tue, 26 Mar 2024 23:36 UTC

On 3/26/2024 5:02 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 08:48:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
>> required:
>
> That’s because you had something else installed that required them, that
> you have now removed.

So why didn't Linux just clean them up?

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:18 UTC

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 19:36:23 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 3/26/2024 5:02 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 08:48:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
>>> required:
>>
>> That’s because you had something else installed that required them,
>> that you have now removed.
>
> So why didn't Linux just clean them up?

You didn’t ask it to <https://manpages.debian.org/apt-get.8.en.html>. E.g.

apt-get remove --autoremove «packages...»

Also note the purge function, if you want to get rid of leftover configs
as well.

Heard of InstallShield? Yeah, this is why Linux doesn’t need it.

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