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Ant wrote:

> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2023/11/14/seamonkey-2-53-18-beta-1-is-out/

Well, it's nice to see that the SM development is progressing, cause
sites like https://www.ardmediathek.de/live or https://pur.t-online.de/
or https://www.virustotal.com/gui/ work now.

But it would be even better without the following tiny SM problems (also
in 2.53.18b or 2.53.19b1 of WG9s):

https://apps.datev.de/myupdates/home -> blank page ("loading...")

https://www.myfritz.net/ -> blank page

http://archive.org -> Mostly blank page

https://www.nokia.com/phones/de_de/ -> Mostly blank page (after pictures
were displayed)

https://de.pons.com -> Mostly blank page after accepting cookies

https://zugportal.de/ -> Graphics mishmash/blank page

https://www.heise.de/tarifrechner -> Text/graphics mishmash

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CJ337T97 -> Graphics mishmash

https://rp-online.de/info/consent/ -> Graphics mishmash

https://www.blau.de/ -> Graphics mishmash

https://www.kern-sohn.com/ -> "SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP"

https://www.ritter-sport.com/de -> "Forbidden Error 403"

http://mega.nz -> Browser outdated

https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/query -> Browser outdated (but
https://www.ripe.net/ works)

https://www.t-online.de - Click on the headlines ("Schlagzeilen") on the
right side, for example
https://www.t-online.de/region/essen/id_100280378/ After clicking one of
the headlines, SM freezes for a few seconds and a SM message appears
("Warning: Unresponsive script/Warnung nicht antwortendes Script...").
Only pressing ESC key immediately after every click prevents this tiny
problem...

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/ -> No clicking on article links possible

https://www.wgv.de/meinewgv/ -> No login possible (link "Anmeldung für
registrierte Kunden")

https://www.barmer.de/bconnect/barmer-de/postfach -> No personal inbox
available (visible only after login)

https://www.audacityteam.org/ -> No accept or decline of cookies possible

https://www.kassel.de -> No accept or decline of cookie banner at the
bottom possible

Sites already known with tiny SM problems (mentioned before in this news
group in the last months):

http://fritz.box (internal page of most sold internet router in Germany)
-> Browser outdated

https://www.stern.de/bdt/_33958902-5849334.html -> No picture gallery
visible or clickable

https://www.msn.com/de-de/ -> blank page (after accept or decline of
cookies)

https://www.mercedes-benz-mannheim.de/ -> blank page

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/::before -> blank page

https://id.bund.de/ -> blank page

https://www.elster.de/eportal/login/softpse -> No login possible (search
button "Durchsuchen" does not work)

ciao
h-o

Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> http://archive.org -> Mostly blank page
I believe this is an issue on their side, https://archive.org works
flawlessly for me.

> http://mega.nz -> Browser outdated
I started to use this program named megatools, they seem to work better
than the official client on Firefox. <https://megatools.megous.com/>

On 14/11/2023 13:44, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> ,,,>
>
> But it would be even better without the following tiny SM problems (also
> in 2.53.18b or 2.53.19b1 of WG9s):
>

Tested in 2.53.17.1 with NoScript (enabling minimal JS as necessary) and
- dom.webcomponents.enabled
- dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled

> https://apps.datev.de/myupdates/home -> blank page ("loading...")

SyntaxError: illegal character: main.9048213f44916de6.js:1:57756
v
let Ze=(()=>{class t{static#e=this.NULL=new ze}

> https://www.myfritz.net/ -> blank page

Similar:
SyntaxError: illegal character: main.8c57bdff456024ef.js:1:618
v
y.isLoading.subscribe(w=>setTimeout(()=>this.isLoading.next(w)))}static#e=this.\u0275fac=function(W){return
new(W||A)(a.\u0275

> http://archive.org -> Mostly blank page

Seems to load OK, or redirects to http://archive.org/?noscript=true if
JS is disabled. I don't recall breaking issues with the site, though it
went downhill with the JS version.

> https://www.nokia.com/phones/de_de/ -> Mostly blank page (after pictures
> were displayed)

Seems to load OK with/without nokia.com JS. We learn what the German for
"Black Friday" and "deals" are (anyone thinking, say, of a phrase
involving "schwarz" and "Freitag" is missing the point).

> https://de.pons.com -> Mostly blank page after accepting cookies

Page loads OK but won't search without pons.de JS. Then, coincidentally,
you can find that the real deal (of that sort) in German is "Geschäft":
"mit dem Rechner haben wir ein gutes Geschäft gemacht"

> https://zugportal.de/ -> Graphics mishmash/blank page

Requires JS. Then fails:
SyntaxError: invalid regular expression flag s: app.83e43009.js:143:138161
v
const s=/;(?![^(]*\))/g,l=/:([^]+)/,c=/\/\*.*?\*\//gs;

> https://www.heise.de/tarifrechner -> Text/graphics mishmash
Looks good loaded with no JS: I'd take cybersim.de. With heise.de JS the
layout breaks but the information is still visible.

> https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CJ337T97 -> Graphics mishmash

No page content (just header/footer) without JS, so no sale for them. As
Amazon is too poor to host its own content, the page wants JS from a
cloudfront.net domain and branch.io domains too, and app.link; oh, and
an amazonaws.com domain, oh and both amazon.de and amazon.com domains.

With all the required JS unusable page content appears. Some product
information can be read by disabling the page styles: it seems to depend
on the cloudfront.net JS. A Prime example of why people prefer to share
music rather than pay the musician's publisher.

> https://rp-online.de/info/consent/ -> Graphics mishmash

Without JS, no price is shown. After enabling JS, the price appears and
the layout improves. Unlike the above, disabling the page styles gives a
completely legible (if 1992-ish) page filled with information on your
parcel delivery options, regardless of JS.

> https://www.blau.de/ -> Graphics mishmash

With no JS, some images are not loaded, but the layout looks OK. With
blau.de JS, it looks fine.

> https://www.kern-sohn.com/ -> "SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP"

Yes: FF115ESR says:
{ "Connection:": {
"Protocol version:": "TLSv1.2",
"Cipher suite:": "TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256",
"Key Exchange Group:": "none",
"Signature Scheme:": "none"
},
"Host www.kern-sohn.com:": {
"HTTP Strict Transport Security:": "Disabled",
"Public Key Pinning:": "Disabled"
},
....
}

There should be a way to list the TLS config of the browser (what the
browser will actually support, rather than what is enabled in the
security.ssl3.* prefs) but I can't see it, Enabling
security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha makes no difference (restart needed?).

> https://www.ritter-sport.com/de -> "Forbidden Error 403"

To start with, remove SeaMonkey from the UA as the site is happy to load
with UA 'Mozilla/5.0' but not with a UA that mentions SM (it doesn't
like IE6 either, among doubtless many others). Then enable JS for the
site and cdn-website.com to get what looks like a useless promotional
site for the schokolade merchants.

> http://mega.nz -> Browser outdated

Yes, after enabling the site JS (blank otherwise), and even masquerading
UA FF 115 ESR doesn't help.

> https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/query -> Browser outdated (but
Without JS, redirects to a browser requirements page. After enabling
ripe.net it shows a static page "Your browser is not supported by this
application. Some features may not display or function properly. Please
upgrade to a supported browser." which links to the requirements page.
Presumably if this error (probably the same cause as above) didn't occur

SyntaxError: illegal character main.c98b5697117cc479.js:1:568151

the page would be updated by the JS.

> https://www.ripe.net/ works)
>
> https://www.t-online.de - Click on the headlines ("Schlagzeilen") on the
> right side, for example
> https://www.t-online.de/region/essen/id_100280378/ After clicking one of
> the headlines, SM freezes for a few seconds and a SM message appears
> ("Warning: Unresponsive script/Warnung nicht antwortendes Script...").
> Only pressing ESC key immediately after every click prevents this tiny
> problem...

Can't repro that without JS or with site JS only, but enabling
pur.t-online.de hangs the page.

> https://www.sueddeutsche.de/ -> No clicking on article links possible

The page is readable and the top navigation works but there are these JS
errors:

SyntaxError: missing : after property id.
szde-homie-vendors-b3125c2413af02d09682.mjs:1069:2165
TypeError: Not enough arguments to Window.postMessage. webpush.js:1:11955
TypeError: Not enough arguments to Window.postMessage. 1613x168:3:29994

> https://www.wgv.de/meinewgv/ -> No login possible (link "Anmeldung für
> registrierte Kunden")

There is this error, as above:
SyntaxError: illegal character. main.js:1:257118

> https://www.barmer.de/bconnect/barmer-de/postfach -> No personal inbox
> available (visible only after login)

Why is that wrong?

> https://www.audacityteam.org/ -> No accept or decline of cookies possible

This error in the site JS causes the problem

SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import'.
www.audacityteam.org:4:2807

But with NoScript you can just close the cookie pop-up
(left-click+Delete) and let SM's cookie management accept or deny the
cookies.

> https://www.kassel.de -> No accept or decline of cookie banner at the
> bottom possible

Similar NoScript solution applies, but there are these JS errors when JS
is enabled for kassel.de:

Error: Class 'null' for data-Attribute 'data-sp-annotationviewer' not found
Stack trace:
register@https://www.kassel.de/WEB-IES/sitekit-module/2.138/js/sitekit-js.js:9:46207
....
[repeated for other data-Attribute values)
SyntaxError: missing : after property id. main.js:17:84169
Loading failed for the <script> with source
“https://stats.kassel.de/piwik//piwik.js”.
www.kassel.de:1
SyntaxError: missing : after property id. bundle.js:1:440

> Sites already known with tiny SM problems (mentioned before in this news
> group in the last months):
>
> http://fritz.box (internal page of most sold internet router in Germany)
> -> Browser outdated

Probably the same issues apply as at myfritz.net? Or can the boxes be
flashed with fixable open source firmware?

> https://www.stern.de/bdt/_33958902-5849334.html -> No picture gallery
> visible or clickable

After enabling JS for stern.de:

SyntaxError: bad method definition sternde.min.js:1:6579
v
class NetIDConsentHandler{initialized=!1;created=!1;_visible=!1;...

> https://www.mercedes-benz-mannheim.de/ -> blank page

SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import'.
49ae1f3c-f258-4a24-820e-2c949ac0e6ff:1:11

> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/::before -> blank page

Page displays with no JS, but this error with site JS:

SyntaxError: An invalid or illegal string was specified. main.88839812.js:2

Perhaps we should send the cops round to Mozilla HQ.

> https://id.bund.de/ -> blank page

JS required page with no JS and this error with site JS:

SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import'.
index.1f15e962.js:41:15410

Maybe call their support number shown on the non-JS page to request an
ES5-conformant page?

> https://www.elster.de/eportal/login/softpse -> No login possible (search
> button "Durchsuchen" does not work)

They have a nice page that explains their support policy for FF and
Linux (FF113+ and Ubuntu 22.10, or you're on your own). This JS/CSS
error is seen when loading the login page:

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote.

> Tested in 2.53.17.1 with NoScript (enabling minimal JS as necessary)

I used 2.53.18b with a new profile (JS enabled)

archive.org and de.pons.com work sometimes and sometimes not with SM.

>> https://www.t-online.de -
> Can't repro that without JS or with site JS only, but enabling
> pur.t-online.de hangs the page.

Yes, the site works without JS. But with JS enabled, problems arise when
headlines are clicked...

>> https://www.sueddeutsche.de/ -> No clicking on article links possible
>
> The page is readable and the top navigation works

sz.de is "basically" readable, but not a single news link can be
clicked. Great :-)

>> https://www.barmer.de/bconnect/barmer-de/postfach -> No personal inbox
>> available (visible only after login)
>
> Why is that wrong?

After login (only for members) headlines appear with a "blank" page (in
FF a mail box page with tabs like "Sent", "Draft", "Trash" is displayed).

ciao
h-o

On 22/11/2023 17:45, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote.
>
>...>
>>> https://www.t-online.de -
>> Can't repro that without JS or with site JS only, but enabling
>> pur.t-online.de hangs the page.
>
> Yes, the site works without JS. But with JS enabled, problems arise when
> headlines are clicked...

Definitely a case where NoScript or some other tool should be used to
block pur.t-online.de.

>...>
>>> https://www.barmer.de/bconnect/barmer-de/postfach -> No personal
>>> inbox available (visible only after login)
>>
>> Why is that wrong?
>
> After login (only for members) headlines appear with a "blank" page (in
> FF a mail box page with tabs like "Sent", "Draft", "Trash" is displayed).

Ah, sure. I misunderstood that the problem was that the inbox wasn't
visible before login, which seemed weird. Obvs needs login to test, but
you could check the console log for JS errors.

thx
/df

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Hans-Otto Kurz schrieb:
> https://www.myfritz.net -> blank page
> http://fritz.box -> Browser outdated

Now the problems of SM on the websites of the German router manufacturer
AVM also affect this page:

https://xmas.avm.de/

:-|

ciao
h-o

Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> Hans-Otto Kurz schrieb:
>> https://www.myfritz.net -> blank page
>> http://fritz.box -> Browser outdated
>
> Now the problems of SM on the websites of the German router manufacturer AVM
> also affect this page:
>
> https://xmas.avm.de/
>
> :-|
>
> ciao
> h-o

They are using dynamic imports now. Known issue and we are working on updating
the js interpreter. But it is not an easy fix.

Timestamp: 01.12.2023, 15:11:22
Error: SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import'
Source File: https://xmas.avm.de/assets/index-b5f374aa.js
Line: 47, Column: 32845
Source Code:
etDate());ke.exports.useEffect(()=>{(async()=>{await
Pg(()=>import("./avmscripts-e99cd1ec.js"),[]),L(!0);try{const V=awa

On 01/12/2023 14:13, frg wrote:
> Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
>> Hans-Otto Kurz schrieb:
>>> https://www.myfritz.net -> blank page
>>> http://fritz.box -> Browser outdated
>>
>> Now the problems of SM on the websites of the German router
>> manufacturer AVM also affect this page:
>>
>> https://xmas.avm.de/
>>
>> :-|
>>
>> ciao
>> h-o
>
> They are using dynamic imports now. Known issue and we are working on
> updating the js interpreter. But it is not an easy fix.
>
> Timestamp: 01.12.2023, 15:11:22
> Error: SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import'
> Source File: https://xmas.avm.de/assets/index-b5f374aa.js
> Line: 47, Column: 32845
> Source Code:
> etDate());ke.exports.useEffect(()=>{(async()=>{await
> Pg(()=>import("./avmscripts-e99cd1ec.js"),[]),L(!0);try{const V=awa
> generate a temporary direct link

Also very troublesome at GitHub and some of the problem pages listed
earlier in the thread:

class breaksSeaMonkey extends perfectlyAcceptableClass {
vars...; methods...
} Eg GitHub PR page (also breaks editing issue posts):

var e = class extends Event{
oldState;
newState;
constructor(e, {
oldState: t = '',
newState: n = '',
...o
}
= {
}) {
super(e, o),
this.oldState = String(t || ''),
this.newState = String(n || '')
}
}

Also, the flag in the pretty-printer called from the Scratchpad that
enables ES5+ syntax should be set so that let, class, etc are properly
formatted (eg above was rendered as classextendsEvent).

/df

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Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> https://xmas.avm.de/

Same here: https://gls-rtt.com/

ciao
h-o

On 04/12/2023 09:21, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> ...
>> https://xmas.avm.de/
>
> Same here: https://gls-rtt.com/
>

Same symptoms, same cause ("import").

/df

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> On 04/12/2023 09:21, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
>> ...
>>> https://xmas.avm.de/
>>
>> Same here: https://gls-rtt.com/
>>
>
> Same symptoms, same cause ("import").
>
> /df
>

If imports are the symptom, I'm assuming the problem is Brexit and you
are not going to convince me otherwise.

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

> Same symptoms, same cause ("import").

Another SM "blank page" examples (also with 2.53.19b1pre):

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/dieter-stolte-tot-zdf-intendant-100.html

https://openshare.villeroy-boch.com/841e3e47

ciao
h-o

On 12/12/2023 17:25, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>
>> Same symptoms, same cause ("import").
>
> Another SM "blank page" examples (also with 2.53.19b1pre):
>
> https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/dieter-stolte-tot-zdf-intendant-100.html

Displays with JS disabled. Video can be fetched with youtube-dl/yt-dlp.

JS error is "ReferenceError: ReadableStream is not defined"

> https://openshare.villeroy-boch.com/841e3e47

No JS errors, just a failed JS app with no real underlying web page.

/df

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On 14/11/2023 13:44, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
> https://www.myfritz.net/ -> blank page

Probably relevant
<https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/83#issuecomment-1759104578>:

> ... their feature test code is buggy, which causes it to inject a Promise polyfill that doesn't contain Promise.any(). ...

/df

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Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> On 14/11/2023 13:44, Hans-Otto Kurz wrote:
>> https://www.myfritz.net/ -> blank page
>
> Probably relevant
> <https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/83#issuecomment-1759104578>:
>
>> ... their feature test code is buggy, which causes it to inject a Promise polyfill that doesn't contain Promise.any(). ...
>
> /df
>

I think they want dynamic imports. The latest Fritz Box 7.39 and up needs this
too and BigInt support. I am on it and have the first patches for this in in a
separate release branch but breaks new regexp support and only so much free
time during the week...

FRG