I had trouble installing Quantian (debian) a while back (and switched to
CAELinux) and it seems this was because the computer is too new for the
old OS. Is there any way to use the tools on rescatux to turn off UEFI (I
had just set it to legacy and Sata to ata) in order for the old iso to
install? Recall it was unable to find filessytem.

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vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I had trouble installing Quantian (debian) a while back (and switched to
> CAELinux) and it seems this was because the computer is too new for the
> old OS. Is there any way to use the tools on rescatux to turn off UEFI (I
> had just set it to legacy and Sata to ata) in order for the old iso to
> install? Recall it was unable to find filessytem.

If you wish to install old OS'es that predate UEFI on a UEFI system,
and if you do not have a toggle in the UEFI setup pages to revert it to
traditional BIOS, then your *only* choice for those older OS's will be
to finally take the group's suggestion of: "use VirtualBox".

And, note that if you can revert the UEFI system to "traditional BIOS"
mode, and you do so, that you will be unable to install newer OS'es
that only boot with UEFI.

On 5/30/23 13:20, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I had trouble installing Quantian (debian) a while back (and switched to
> CAELinux) and it seems this was because the computer is too new for the
> old OS. Is there any way to use the tools on rescatux to turn off UEFI (I
> had just set it to legacy and Sata to ata) in order for the old iso to
> install? Recall it was unable to find filessytem.

Try booting up GPartEd live iso file and get a recent revision and see
it it can find your disk. If it can see the disk, tell us how large a
disk it is. Once you have a modern Linux capable of running Virtual Box
installed yoou can use that Windows XP to create a Virtual disk set up
as that Version of Windows likes it. Then unless you have
a very small disk you can set up all the distributions which you like
to use in Virtual Disks.
You are trying to cling to the past which of course at some
point in our lives was wonderful but current tools are far better.
Otherwise I would be busily emulating the Amiga 2000 of my 1990s.

Have a good.

bliss-PCLinuxOS 64 2023 - Linux 6.3.4 KDE Plasma 5.27.4

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On 5/30/23 13:51, Rich wrote:
> vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> I had trouble installing Quantian (debian) a while back (and switched to
>> CAELinux) and it seems this was because the computer is too new for the
>> old OS. Is there any way to use the tools on rescatux to turn off UEFI (I
>> had just set it to legacy and Sata to ata) in order for the old iso to
>> install? Recall it was unable to find filessytem.
>
> If you wish to install old OS'es that predate UEFI on a UEFI system,
> and if you do not have a toggle in the UEFI setup pages to revert it to
> traditional BIOS, then your *only* choice for those older OS's will be
> to finally take the group's suggestion of: "use VirtualBox".
>
> And, note that if you can revert the UEFI system to "traditional BIOS"
> mode, and you do so, that you will be unable to install newer OS'es
> that only boot with UEFI.

He would not be able to make enough partitions to install all he wants
to install.

bliss

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On 30/05/2023 21:51, Rich wrote:
> vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> I had trouble installing Quantian (debian) a while back (and switched to
>> CAELinux) and it seems this was because the computer is too new for the
>> old OS. Is there any way to use the tools on rescatux to turn off UEFI (I
>> had just set it to legacy and Sata to ata) in order for the old iso to
>> install? Recall it was unable to find filessytem.
>
> If you wish to install old OS'es that predate UEFI on a UEFI system,
> and if you do not have a toggle in the UEFI setup pages to revert it to
> traditional BIOS, then your *only* choice for those older OS's will be
> to finally take the group's suggestion of: "use VirtualBox".
>
> And, note that if you can revert the UEFI system to "traditional BIOS"
> mode, and you do so, that you will be unable to install newer OS'es
> that only boot with UEFI.
>
+1. Its all a bit of a gamble.
I have a moderately old motherboard with a massively complex BIOS. It
took me 5 goes to get latest MINT installed by a process of trying every
option in the BIOS and in the install until I found one that worked.

Whereas my HP desktop and laptop 'Just worked' and I have no idea what
they are set to.

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*+-I have a moderately old motherboard with a massively complex BIOS. It
*+-took me 5 goes to get latest MINT installed by a process of trying every
*+-option in the BIOS and in the install until I found one that worked.

Very similar to my experience

Any website/book for multiboot purgatory navigation?

Now I just managed to make Rescatux unable to boot

But MSDOS continues to run just fine.

Vostro 3560 W7 given to me (my life in suspended zombie mode for over a year)
in Fall. Trying to replicate my former life (DOS+XP+Quantian which worked
fine - believe it was amd64). Boot MSDOS on sector zero killed W7 (claimed
disk corrupt, switched UEFI to Legacy, SATA to ATA) so XP, but activation
issues. Tried ReactOS, vaporware. Reactos has no USB, no drivers, but all XP
versions won't see the wifi, despite many driver attempts, which W7 and CAE
used just fine. Meanwhile Quantian (knoppix) complains about file system but
I got CAELinux (ubuntu) to work really well. So XP64VL (no activation
issues), looks good but doesn't like 32 bit apps and Dynamic Disk blocks
reinstall of CAELinux. For some reason each reinstall of XP/RxOS required
CAELinux be reinstalled, but unless I wiped it with GParted, it wanted to
install a second partition - with XP64 Dynamic Disk, CAE wants to erase
everything and write over it. Just tried XP32VL (Ventoy didn't want to boot
it so I had to burn a disk) and it said disk corrupt so turned off SATA and
UEFI and it almost installed, complaining that some files were not on CD. Now
Reacatux won't run from Ventoy so used GParted from CD to wipe Windows but
Rescatux still hangs.

What do I want to do with this system instead of play with OS:

I want to make MSDOS GCC compiles of some linux software

I want to add apps to my PortableApps USB and be sure it works on old and new

I want to use Octave and Elmer on CAE to solve some advanced engineeirng
problems which might brighten my future

Some paths: find another XP32VL. Or try to get XP64VL back and somehow switch
off Dynamic Disk. Go to the activation-needy XP32 and create a registry batch
file with setacl that does a fresh activation override at every logon. (But
if I take more than a month to log on, it would require reinstall.)

PS, is there any way to make Ventoy use 32bit, non-uefi stuff?

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vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> What do I want to do with this system instead of play with OS:
>
> I want to make MSDOS GCC compiles of some linux software
>
> I want to add apps to my PortableApps USB and be sure it works on
> old and new
>
> I want to use Octave and Elmer on CAE to solve some advanced
> engineeirng problems which might brighten my future

All of the above are why you should have installed VirtualBox and then
installed all those various different OS's into different VirtualBox
VM's.

You would not have had to "play with OS" -- because your main system OS
would not have been impacted at all, due to not trying to dual-boot
install something else alongside it.

You could have MSDOS running in a virtual box window, so you can do
those GCC compiles, without having to shutdown and restart your main
system.

You can test your PortableApps on multiple old and new OS'es, all
without rebooting your main system.

You could then use Octave and Elmer on your main system (or in another
VB if you like) while also compiling in MSDOS and testing PortableApps
without having to do all this "dual-boot" play, and with no risk of
messing up your main system's boot loader.

And, you would have had all of this done weeks ago, instead of having
to discover and ask all these "installing Y overwrote X, how do I get X
back" questions you've been asking over so many weeks now.

On 2023-06-02 17:28, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> *+-I have a moderately old motherboard with a massively complex BIOS. It
> *+-took me 5 goes to get latest MINT installed by a process of trying every
> *+-option in the BIOS and in the install until I found one that worked.
>
> Very similar to my experience
>
> Any website/book for multiboot purgatory navigation?
>
> Now I just managed to make Rescatux unable to boot
>
> But MSDOS continues to run just fine.
>
> Vostro 3560 W7 given to me (my life in suspended zombie mode for over a year)
> in Fall. Trying to replicate my former life (DOS+XP+Quantian which worked
> fine - believe it was amd64). Boot MSDOS on sector zero killed W7 (claimed
> disk corrupt, switched UEFI to Legacy, SATA to ATA) so XP, but activation
> issues. Tried ReactOS, vaporware. Reactos has no USB, no drivers, but all XP
> versions won't see the wifi, despite many driver attempts, which W7 and CAE
> used just fine. Meanwhile Quantian (knoppix) complains about file system but
> I got CAELinux (ubuntu) to work really well. So XP64VL (no activation
> issues), looks good but doesn't like 32 bit apps and Dynamic Disk blocks
> reinstall of CAELinux.

I told you, Dynamic Disks blocks anything else. Specially Linux.

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On 6/2/23 08:28, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> *+-I have a moderately old motherboard with a massively complex BIOS. It
> *+-took me 5 goes to get latest MINT installed by a process of trying every
> *+-option in the BIOS and in the install until I found one that worked.

Well people on this Newsgroup have told you over and over again my
friend to use VirtualBox with your chosen GNU/Linux distribution but
I guess you must be a troll and not reading out repeated advice.

If I don't see a mention of VB in your next post I will mark you
as a Troll.
>
> Very similar to my experience
>
> Any website/book for multiboot purgatory navigation?
>
> Now I just managed to make Rescatux unable to boot
>
> But MSDOS continues to run just fine.
>
> Vostro 3560 W7 given to me (my life in suspended zombie mode for over a year)
> in Fall. Trying to replicate my former life (DOS+XP+Quantian which worked
> fine - believe it was amd64). Boot MSDOS on sector zero killed W7 (claimed
> disk corrupt, switched UEFI to Legacy, SATA to ATA) so XP, but activation
> issues. Tried ReactOS, vaporware. Reactos has no USB, no drivers, but all XP
> versions won't see the wifi, despite many driver attempts, which W7 and CAE
> used just fine. Meanwhile Quantian (knoppix) complains about file system but
> I got CAELinux (ubuntu) to work really well. So XP64VL (no activation
> issues), looks good but doesn't like 32 bit apps and Dynamic Disk blocks
> reinstall of CAELinux. For some reason each reinstall of XP/RxOS required
> CAELinux be reinstalled, but unless I wiped it with GParted, it wanted to
> install a second partition - with XP64 Dynamic Disk, CAE wants to erase
> everything and write over it. Just tried XP32VL (Ventoy didn't want to boot
> it so I had to burn a disk) and it said disk corrupt so turned off SATA and
> UEFI and it almost installed, complaining that some files were not on CD. Now
> Reacatux won't run from Ventoy so used GParted from CD to wipe Windows but
> Rescatux still hangs.
>
>
> What do I want to do with this system instead of play with OS:
>
> I want to make MSDOS GCC compiles of some linux software
>
> I want to add apps to my PortableApps USB and be sure it works on old and new
>
> I want to use Octave and Elmer on CAE to solve some advanced engineeirng
> problems which might brighten my future
>
>
> Some paths: find another XP32VL. Or try to get XP64VL back and somehow switch
> off Dynamic Disk. Go to the activation-needy XP32 and create a registry batch
> file with setacl that does a fresh activation override at every logon. (But
> if I take more than a month to log on, it would require reinstall.)
>
>
> PS, is there any way to make Ventoy use 32bit, non-uefi stuff?

we have told you everything you need to know and installing incompatible
systems to hard disk is a ridiculous waste of effort.

Good luck.
bliss - PCLinux OS 2023 - Linux 6.4.5

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