K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
and it seems to run fine.

I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
w/ the drives....

Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
like.

pH in Aptos

At Sat, 27 May 2023 18:55:26 -0000 (UTC) pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

>
> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
> and it seems to run fine.
>
> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
> w/ the drives....

This is true of *any* computer, it is not Mac Specific. USB thumb drives are
*totally* removable, unlike optical disks, where you can have a drive
connected but without media. The BIOS (or whatever passes for a "boot rom")
will see a connected but empty optical drive and will list it (no you can't
really boot from an optical drive without a disk in it). In the case of a USB
thumb drive, if it is not inserted into a USB connector, the boot code won't
show it as being available. Once the USB thumb drive is inserted into a USB
port, the boot code will see it and if the thumb drive has the proper "magic"
code (eg a "boot sector" or uefi partition or whatever), the boot code will
say "hey, here is a bootable device" and give you the option to boot from it.

>
> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
> like.
>
> pH in Aptos
>
>

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 6:02:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Sat, 27 May 2023 18:55:26 -0000 (UTC) pH <wNOS...@gmail.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
> > and it seems to run fine.
> >
> > I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
> > old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
> > you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
> > w/ the drives....
> This is true of *any* computer, it is not Mac Specific. USB thumb drives are
> *totally* removable, unlike optical disks, where you can have a drive
> connected but without media. The BIOS (or whatever passes for a "boot rom")
> will see a connected but empty optical drive and will list it (no you can't
> really boot from an optical drive without a disk in it). In the case of a USB
> thumb drive, if it is not inserted into a USB connector, the boot code won't
> show it as being available. Once the USB thumb drive is inserted into a USB
> port, the boot code will see it and if the thumb drive has the proper "magic"
> code (eg a "boot sector" or uefi partition or whatever), the boot code will
> say "hey, here is a bootable device" and give you the option to boot from it.
> >
> > Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
> > like.
> >
> > pH in Aptos
> >
> >
> --
> Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364
> Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
> http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
> hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services

My favorite Ubuntu package is "cheese-common". What's yours?

Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
> and it seems to run fine.
>
> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
> w/ the drives....

Press the Option/ALT key while starting.

> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
> like.

You will love it.

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On 28/05/2023 10:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>> and it seems to run fine.
>>
>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>> w/ the drives....
>
> Press the Option/ALT key while starting.
>
>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>> like.
>
> You will love it.
>
A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.
Did you get the camera to work? That seems to be the bugaboo

"Have you got an old Mac?"
"No, but I've got a brand new overcoat"

....I'll get my coat...

--
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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

Am 28.05.23 um 12:04 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 28/05/2023 10:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
>>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>>> and it seems to run fine.
>>>
>>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>>> w/ the drives....
>>
>> Press the Option/ALT key while starting.
>>
>>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>>> like.
>>
>> You will love it.
>>
> A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.
> Did you get the camera to work? That seems to be the bugaboo

No but I never cared about that because I hardly ever use cameras on
computers even on laptops. I use much more often my mobile as camera
which is much more flexible and versatile.

On MBPs I never got the camera working out of the box all these years
and and these different models.

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On 2023-05-27, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Sat, 27 May 2023 18:55:26 -0000 (UTC) pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>> and it seems to run fine.
>>
>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>> w/ the drives....
>
> This is true of *any* computer, it is not Mac Specific. USB thumb drives are
> *totally* removable, unlike optical disks, where you can have a drive
> connected but without media. The BIOS (or whatever passes for a "boot rom")
> will see a connected but empty optical drive and will list it (no you can't
> really boot from an optical drive without a disk in it). In the case of a USB
> thumb drive, if it is not inserted into a USB connector, the boot code won't
> show it as being available. Once the USB thumb drive is inserted into a USB
> port, the boot code will see it and if the thumb drive has the proper "magic"
> code (eg a "boot sector" or uefi partition or whatever), the boot code will
> say "hey, here is a bootable device" and give you the option to boot from it.
>
>>

Thank-you. That makes total sense in retrospect....I don't know why I
expected it to show up in the boot menu (Option Key held down) w/o a 'stick'
in it...well, the empty CD-ROM tray showed up...so.....

Anyway, I'm glad it all worked.

pH in Aptos

>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>> like.
>>
>> pH in Aptos
>>
>>
>

On 2023-05-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 28/05/2023 10:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
>>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>>> and it seems to run fine.
>>>
>>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>>> w/ the drives....
>>
>> Press the Option/ALT key while starting.
>>
>>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>>> like.
>>
>> You will love it.
>>
> A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.
> Did you get the camera to work? That seems to be the bugaboo
>
> "Have you got an old Mac?"
> "No, but I've got a brand new overcoat"
>
> ...I'll get my coat...
>

I have not investigated the camera.

After the install, I did have to get the Broadcom drivers to get the wifi to
work..luckily I had an ethernet connection to make that happen, also went
smoothly.

There's been paper/tape over that camera since I got the thing from my
brother.....

pH

On Sun, 28 May 2023 11:04:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 28/05/2023 10:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
>>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>>> and it seems to run fine.
>>>
>>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>>> w/ the drives....
>> Press the Option/ALT key while starting.
>>
>>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>>> like.
>> You will love it.
>>
> A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.

While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
--
Andreas

Am 28.05.23 um 22:28 schrieb pH:
> I have not investigated the camera.
>
> After the install, I did have to get the Broadcom drivers to get the wifi to
> work..luckily I had an ethernet connection to make that happen, also went
> smoothly.

Wifi worked out of the box here. On all Macs it worked flawlessly.

> There's been paper/tape over that camera since I got the thing from my
> brother.....

Perhaps not a bad idea ...

--
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Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 11:04:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.
>
> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.

The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
more. The use of resources is very moderate.

--
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On 28/05/2023 21:33, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 11:04:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 28/05/2023 10:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 27.05.23 um 20:55 schrieb pH:
>>>> K'pla! Got Mint 21.1 Vera (Mate version) installed on the old 2011 MacBook
>>>> and it seems to run fine.
>>>>
>>>> I had erroneously thoght that I did not have the boot from USB option on the
>>>> old MacBook...turns out you just have to hae the USB drive in the slot when
>>>> you start up. I had thought it would show up automatically in the menu along
>>>> w/ the drives....
>>> Press the Option/ALT key while starting.
>>>
>>>> Anyway, all is running smoothly now just have to get it all set up the way I
>>>> like.
>>> You will love it.
>>>
>> A very good distro to make an old Mac new and shiny.
>
> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
I found cinnamon to need a shade more power than MATE. It is altogether
a prettier and more animated UI, but you pay a price for that.
My personal preference is MATE. I do not however assume it will be
anyone elses...:-)

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survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>
> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
> more. The use of resources is very moderate.

Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
(Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
manager.

Another system running current Tiny Core Linux, and also with JWM,
boots up to the desktop with under 100MB RAM in use.

Granted setting them up probably required lots more copying/editing
config files than it would were I using this Cinnamon thing, but
there's no excuse for wasting that much RAM just as a baseline.

And then to say that's "very moderate"! Still, I've got no idea
what you mean by "extensions", or "all sockets", at least in a
window manager context, and I know I don't want anything to do
with Dropbox.

--
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>
>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>
> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
> manager.

Indeed, calling 1.5GB ram "moderate" must mean the GP has a very
distorted view of "moderate" ram usage.

fvwm2 here -- grand total of 35.9MiB for fvwm2.

1.5GB for the desktop is far from 'moderate'.

On Mon, 29 May 2023 10:32:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 28/05/2023 21:33, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE
>> or
>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
> I found cinnamon to need a shade more power than MATE. It is
> altogether a prettier and more animated UI, but you pay a price for
> that.
> My personal preference is MATE. I do not however assume it will be
> anyone elses...:-)

Here MATE is running, but the Cinnamon desktop is also installed, in case
I want a new wallpaper. ;-)

I also noticed Cinnamon has a nicer animated GUI. But I don't use Linux
for playing around. I probably keep MATE as main window manager.
--
Andreas

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 28.05.23 um 22:28 schrieb pH:
> > I have not investigated the camera.
> >
> > After the install, I did have to get the Broadcom drivers to get the wifi to
> > work..luckily I had an ethernet connection to make that happen, also went
> > smoothly.

> Wifi worked out of the box here. On all Macs it worked flawlessly.

> > There's been paper/tape over that camera since I got the thing from my
> > brother.....

> Perhaps not a bad idea ...

Need one for mic(rophone) too. ;)
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Am 30.05.23 um 03:43 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>
>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>
> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
> manager.

I'm not impressed. Modern OSs with a GUI work differently. And modern
browsers with a certain value for the user need easily 200-300 MB to run
on one tab. The benchmarks are not such primitive systems rather Windows
11 or macOS 13.

> Another system running current Tiny Core Linux, and also with JWM,
> boots up to the desktop with under 100MB RAM in use.

Irrelevant.

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Am 30.05.23 um 04:38 schrieb Rich:
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>>
>>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>>
>> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
>> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
>> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
>> manager.
>
> Indeed, calling 1.5GB ram "moderate" must mean the GP has a very
> distorted view of "moderate" ram usage.

Where have you bee during the last 20 years?

> fvwm2 here -- grand total of 35.9MiB for fvwm2.
>
> 1.5GB for the desktop is far from 'moderate'.

It certainly is because of the total irrelevance of your comparison.

And you are a big mouth anyway: You promised to killfile me. Total fail.
Now you are on my file.

--
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Am 30.05.23 um 03:43 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>
>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>
> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
> manager.

We are discussing modern GUI-based Linux-distributions on Intel-Macs as
alternative OSs to macOS-versions that cannot updated anymore. You are
completely OT.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 30.05.23 um 03:43 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>>
>>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>>
>> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
>> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
>> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
>> manager.
>
> We are discussing modern GUI-based Linux-distributions on Intel-Macs as
> alternative OSs to macOS-versions that cannot updated anymore. You are
> completely OT.

Nonsense, the discussion here was about Linux window managers and
I'm talking about window manager software that's available for most
current Linux distros, and which I use every day. JWM is a fine
option for running on a Mac from 2011, much more efficient that
what you suggested, and doubtless what I'd use on one if I were in
the OP's position.

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On 30/05/2023 02:43, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>
>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>
> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
> manager.
>
> Another system running current Tiny Core Linux, and also with JWM,
> boots up to the desktop with under 100MB RAM in use.
>
My mint MATE server, which normally only runs server processes, without
any user level code running is under a GB

I didnt think X windows got out of bed unless it had around 500MByte

did bet a netbook running MINT MATE on IIRC 256M of RAM but it was very
swappy doing anything at all

> Granted setting them up probably required lots more copying/editing
> config files than it would were I using this Cinnamon thing, but
> there's no excuse for wasting that much RAM just as a baseline.
>
There is every excuse if your machine has 4GB+ of RAM and you have
better things to do.

Some of us just want a working desktop or laptop running Linux, with a
comfortable well supported GUI, and te cost of adding another 4GB of ram
is probably less than two hours of our time tuning it.

> And then to say that's "very moderate"! Still, I've got no idea
> what you mean by "extensions", or "all sockets", at least in a
> window manager context, and I know I don't want anything to do
> with Dropbox.
>

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The greener grows the grass.
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On 30/05/2023 03:38, Rich wrote:
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>>
>>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>>
>> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
>> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
>> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
>> manager.
>
> Indeed, calling 1.5GB ram "moderate" must mean the GP has a very
> distorted view of "moderate" ram usage.
>
> fvwm2 here -- grand total of 35.9MiB for fvwm2.
>
> 1.5GB for the desktop is far from 'moderate'.

He didnt say that 1.5GB was just for the desktop

In my case there are loads of background widgets that I like to run.
All in all my machines *with those widgets running* are around 950MB
with Mint Mate.

If I look at the process list there's over 200 processes running.
Some of the most memory intensive are things like Caja, not the X
windows or the desktop manager

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On 30/05/2023 10:10, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 30.05.23 um 03:43 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>>>
>>>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>>>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>>>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>>>
>>> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
>>> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
>>> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
>>> manager.
>>
>> We are discussing modern GUI-based Linux-distributions on Intel-Macs as
>> alternative OSs to macOS-versions that cannot updated anymore. You are
>> completely OT.
>
> Nonsense, the discussion here was about Linux window managers and
> I'm talking about window manager software that's available for most
> current Linux distros, and which I use every day. JWM is a fine
> option for running on a Mac from 2011, much more efficient that
> what you suggested, and doubtless what I'd use on one if I were in
> the OP's position.
>
And, as I stated, what takes up room on a typical distro is not the
window manager, or X windows itself. its the backround apps that come
with the distro or you elect to run.

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that sound good.

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Am 30.05.23 um 13:03 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> He didnt say that 1.5GB was just for the desktop
>
> In my case there are loads of background widgets that I like to run.
> All in all my machines *with those widgets running* are around 950MB
> with Mint Mate.

Same here with Cinnamon if only the necessary processes are started.
Even a bit less. What sucks is Dropbox (300 MB) and all
Evolution-related processes like calendars and other auxiliary processes.

But on a desktop-machine with 16 GB RAM like this MBP I prefer a system
ready to perform all possible tasks immediately and automatically.

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Am 30.05.23 um 11:10 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 30.05.23 um 03:43 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev:
>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>> Am 28.05.23 um 22:33 schrieb Andreas Kohlbach:
>>>>> While focusing on a lean window manager. You probably don't want KDE or
>>>>> Gnome on a decade old machine, while Cinnamon (MINT) should work smoothly.
>>>>
>>>> The Cinnamon 21.1 on my Dell uses just 1.5 GB RAM after the start but
>>>> more than ready for everything like extensions, all sockets, Dropbox and
>>>> more. The use of resources is very moderate.
>>>
>>> Jeeze, _just_ 1.5 GB RAM "after the start"! That's over ten times
>>> the 144MB RAM used after booting up to the desktop on my Devuan 3
>>> (Debian 10 (Buster) without Systemd) system with JWM as the window
>>> manager.
>>
>> We are discussing modern GUI-based Linux-distributions on Intel-Macs as
>> alternative OSs to macOS-versions that cannot updated anymore. You are
>> completely OT.
>
> Nonsense, the discussion here was about Linux window managers and

Re: *Linux on MacBook* is the topic

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