On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:02:03 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>
> so the original 16-bit code became that
> monstrosity known as “UTF-16”. Which Windows and Java (and maybe one or
> two other things that adopted Unicode at just the wrong time) have been
> saddled with ever since.
>

I find it very amusing that official Microslop text files, such as
are contained in their .msi and other installers, are TWICE the size
of ordianry text files due to the use of UTF-16. For every 8-bit ASCII
char there is a high 8-bits of all zeros. What a waste of space!

But that's the usual idiocy of Microslop.

Nuxxie <nuxxie@linux.rocks> wrote:

>I find it very amusing that official Microslop text files, such as
>are contained in their .msi and other installers, are TWICE the size
>of ordianry text files due to the use of UTF-16. For every 8-bit ASCII
>char there is a high 8-bits of all zeros. What a waste of space!
>
>But that's the usual idiocy of Microslop.

WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
much smoother of a ride.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:09:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Some friendly advice, kiddo: it’s a Unicode, Unicode, Unicode, Unicode
>> world.
>
> Then use libunistring, and shut the fuck up:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/libunistring/

Don't need no steenking funking C, man!

https://icu.unicode.org/

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> On 17 Mar 2024 21:53:30 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>> From what I see at work, in a, not that old, Windows VM, it's still not
>> utf-8 by default.
>>
>
> You stupid jackass. The Microslop default is UTF-16, which is a
> very poor choice compared to GNU/Linux UTF-8.
>
> But the fact that you did not know this only proves your total
> incompetence.

Huh? Stéphane made both statements that you claim he did not know.

You syldexic? :-D

>> The old
>> encodings had a purpose long time ago. Now, they are done and they
>> should stay only in museums.
>
> The "old" encodings are far more common than an incompetent idiot
> like you can realize.
>
> That's why it's critical to have GLIBC include all possible encodings
> for the foreseeable and not-foreseeable future.
>
> Don't forget. I am the expert and you are not. Your opinion is
> worth less than dog shit.

From the Donald J. Trump of COLA :-D

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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>> Don't forget. I am the expert and you are not. Your opinion is
>> worth less than dog shit.
>
>From the Donald J. Trump of COLA :-D

DJT is actually *less* annoying than Russell, I'm amazed to say.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 3/18/2024 9:39 AM, Joel wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>> Don't forget. I am the expert and you are not. Your opinion is
>>> worth less than dog shit.
>>
>>From the Donald J. Trump of COLA :-D
>
>
> DJT is actually *less* annoying than Russell, I'm amazed to say.

Both are lying, egotistical sacks of shit.

One has money, the other is broke.

One cheats on his wife, the other can't afford a wife.

One cheats at golf, the other cheats at cola code challenges.

Both of their mothers are disgusted with them.

On 3/18/2024 8:54 AM, Joel wrote:

> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
> much smoother of a ride.

I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
smooth about it?

Certainly not the (cr)apps.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
>> much smoother of a ride.
>
>I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
>smooth about it?
>
>Certainly not the (cr)apps.

You think I'd have sworn off my Windows license and setup if not for
good apps being available in Linux?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Relf <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote at 04:49 this Monday (GMT):
> You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):
>> > Microsoft was using (16 bit) "Unicode 88" back in 1989, Japan.
>>
>> To say nothing of UTF-16, WCHAR, TCHAR, and my all time favorite BSTR.
>> It wouldn't have been so bad but getting from one to the other was obscure.
>
> The great thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from.

Until you have to convert between them.
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:49:25 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> The great thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STD_Bus

In that era there were a number of bus designs. I even create one for a
client with a severe case of NIH. Only one had the brass balls to call
itself STD-80. That's right up there with Programming Language One and A
Programming Language.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:06:48 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<65f84a75$0$2130810$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 3/18/2024 8:54 AM, Joel wrote:
>
>
>> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
>> much smoother of a ride.
>
>
> I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
> smooth about it?
>
> Certainly not the (cr)apps.

So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
make a claim about it. Do you even listen to yourself? 🤣️

Just stick with Linux Subsystem for Windows, you'll do fine. :)

--
-v

vallor wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
>> smooth about it?
>>
>> Certainly not the (cr)apps.
>
>So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
>make a claim about it. Do you even listen to yourself? ??

Attacking Linux out of ignorance is what that dumb fsck does, man. He
once ignorantly attacked out of his assumption that since live distros
had a default root password of "root", that default password also
applied if you installed to HD. He then went on to attack the
advocates for "not talking about that".

He's a fscking idiot, without shame.

>Just stick with Linux Subsystem for Windows, you'll do fine. :)

He'll still be shitty.

--
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'root' when you install?!?!?!?!" - some dumb fsck, putting his
ignorance on display

On 3/18/2024 11:47 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:06:48 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <65f84a75$0$2130810$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On 3/18/2024 8:54 AM, Joel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
>>> much smoother of a ride.
>>
>>
>> I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
>> smooth about it?
>>
>> Certainly not the (cr)apps.
>
> So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
> make a claim about it. Do you even listen to yourself? 🤣️

"to bare metal."

> Just stick with Linux Subsystem for Windows, you'll do fine. :)

I will!

LSW is a better name than WSL, for sure.

My 6-mth evaluation of Win11 Enterprise ends today, and I have a Win11
Pro key (2 of them actually), so that's what I'll be installing shortly.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 23:58 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 3/18/2024 11:47 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:06:48 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>> <65f84a75$0$2130810$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2024 8:54 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
>>>> much smoother of a ride.
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
>>> smooth about it?
>>>
>>> Certainly not the (cr)apps.
>>
>> So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
>> make a claim about it. Do you even listen to yourself? 🤣️
>
> "to bare metal."
>
>
>
>> Just stick with Linux Subsystem for Windows, you'll do fine. :)
>
> I will!
>
> LSW is a better name than WSL, for sure.
>
> My 6-mth evaluation of Win11 Enterprise ends today, and I have a Win11
> Pro key (2 of them actually), so that's what I'll be installing shortly.

I'm pretty sure Windows couldn't name it LSW because of some copyright?
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On 3/21/2024 11:00 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 23:58 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On 3/18/2024 11:47 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:06:48 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>> <65f84a75$0$2130810$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2024 8:54 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> WinNT is played out, save for specific needs to run apps, Linux is so
>>>>> much smoother of a ride.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in a long time. What's
>>>> smooth about it?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not the (cr)apps.
>>>
>>> So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
>>> make a claim about it. Do you even listen to yourself? 🤣️
>>
>> "to bare metal."
>>
>>
>>
>>> Just stick with Linux Subsystem for Windows, you'll do fine. :)
>>
>> I will!
>>
>> LSW is a better name than WSL, for sure.
>>
>> My 6-mth evaluation of Win11 Enterprise ends today, and I have a Win11
>> Pro key (2 of them actually), so that's what I'll be installing shortly.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure Windows couldn't name it LSW because of some copyright?

Don't know. My opinion is neither 'Windows' or 'subsystem' should be in
the name, since it's not actually a subsystem of Windows in any way,
shape or form.

Good info here:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about

Whatever the name, I think MS did a good job with it. Took them a
while, but they made it really easy to use a few Linux distros right
alongside Windows, and with good performance.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>neither 'Windows' or 'subsystem' should be in
>the name, since it's not actually a subsystem of Windows in any way,
>shape or form.
>
>Good info here:
>https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about
>
>Whatever the name, I think MS did a good job with it. Took them a
>while, but they made it really easy to use a few Linux distros right
>alongside Windows, and with good performance.

WSL 2 is interesting, but not useful for production use of Linux GUI
apps under Win11, mostly for developers. It's a cool thing to have
achieved, though, for M$.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:13:05 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I think MS did a good job with it. Took them a
> while, but they made it really easy to use a few Linux distros right
> alongside Windows, and with good performance.

Maybe the emulation leaves something to be desired? Else there would not
be issues like this <https://github.com/libffi/libffi/issues/552>.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:13:05 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Whatever the name, I think MS did a good job with it. Took them a
> while, but they made it really easy to use a few Linux distros right
> alongside Windows, and with good performance.

I've got two installed on one machine. Select Debian or Kali from the
pulldown in Windows terminal and you're in the Linux world.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 18:15 this Thursday (GMT):
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>neither 'Windows' or 'subsystem' should be in
>>the name, since it's not actually a subsystem of Windows in any way,
>>shape or form.
>>
>>Good info here:
>>https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about
>>
>>Whatever the name, I think MS did a good job with it. Took them a
>>while, but they made it really easy to use a few Linux distros right
>>alongside Windows, and with good performance.
>
>
> WSL 2 is interesting, but not useful for production use of Linux GUI
> apps under Win11, mostly for developers. It's a cool thing to have
> achieved, though, for M$.

It is admittedly cool, but in my opinion a bit undercut by Git Bash.
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Le 17-03-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> On 17 Mar 2024 21:53:30 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>> From what I see at work, in a, not that old, Windows VM, it's still not
>> utf-8 by default.
>>
>
> You stupid jackass.

Yes, I already know that. You should try to tell me things I don't
already know.

> The Microslop default is UTF-16,

Not from what I see.

> which is a very poor choice compared to GNU/Linux UTF-8.

UTF-8 is not related with Linux. It's used by Linux. It's not the same
thing.

> But the fact that you did not know this only proves your total
> incompetence.

Coming from you, I like that.

>> The old
>> encodings had a purpose long time ago. Now, they are done and they
>> should stay only in museums.
>
> The "old" encodings are far more common than an incompetent idiot
> like you can realize.

Because some morons like you still try to promote them.

> I am the expert

That's a funny joke.

> Your opinion is worth less than dog shit.

It's not about opinion. It's about facts. None of the old encodings
allow many languages to be used at the same time.

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Le 19-03-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>
> So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
> make a claim about it.

I hope, except for FR/NV/LP/DG/whatever, nobody install Linux often. I
installed it once a long time ago and I'm using it now.

OK, I install very often Linux, but on other computers.

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On 3/22/2024 5:33 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 19-03-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>>
>> So you haven't installed Linux in a long time, but you
>> make a claim about it.
>
> I hope, except for FR/NV/LP/DG/whatever, nobody install Linux often. I
> installed it once a long time ago and I'm using it now.
>
> OK, I install very often Linux, but on other computers.

Why do you hate other people so much?