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* Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roMike Spencer
+* Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roThe Doctor
|`* Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roMike Spencer
| `* Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roThe Doctor
|  `* Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roAdam H. Kerman
|   `- Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roThe Doctor
`- Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.roDavid Ritz

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Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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From: mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere (Mike Spencer)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
Date: 02 Jul 2021 18:44:39 -0300
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 by: Mike Spencer - Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:44 UTC

Here's an oddity:

Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the popular
Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only list running
on the server.

http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/

I've received routine Mailman notification (including server-assigned
password) for May, June and July. I've never received any user-posted
messages from the list. Grepping their subscriber list, I turned up
five acquaintances who are on another (largely local) mailing list.
Needless to say, neither I nor they ever subscribed to the list.

I have no notion why email-owner@primaria-calimanesti.ro, whoever that
might be, would collect so many user@host.CA addresses and then plug
them into Mailman.

Comments or candidate explanations of why/how this might happen welcome.

(Yes, after downloading the subscriber list, I unsubscribed using their
web interface.)

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:02:10 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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Originator: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
 by: The Doctor - Fri, 2 Jul 2021 22:02 UTC

In article <87mtr4jsqg.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>
>Here's an oddity:
>
>Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
>level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the popular
>Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only list running
>on the server.
>
>http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/
>
>I've received routine Mailman notification (including server-assigned
>password) for May, June and July. I've never received any user-posted
>messages from the list. Grepping their subscriber list, I turned up
>five acquaintances who are on another (largely local) mailing list.
>Needless to say, neither I nor they ever subscribed to the list.
>
>I have no notion why email-owner@primaria-calimanesti.ro, whoever that
>might be, would collect so many user@host.CA addresses and then plug
>them into Mailman.
>
>Comments or candidate explanations of why/how this might happen welcome.
>
>(Yes, after downloading the subscriber list, I unsubscribed using their
>web interface.)
>

I am getting the same thing here as well.

>
>--
>Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
Muscle, brain, will... all must be exercised if they will be strong. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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From: mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere (Mike Spencer)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
Date: 03 Jul 2021 02:21:04 -0300
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 by: Mike Spencer - Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:21 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:

> In article <87mtr4jsqg.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>> Here's an oddity:
>>
>> Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
>> level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the
>> popular Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only
>> list running on the server.
>>
>> http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/
>
> I am getting the same thing here as well.

There are 3 entries from the nl2k.ab.ca domain in the subscriber list.

The address under which you're posting to nanae isn't on the list but
a different one @doctor.nl2k.ab.ca is.

FWIW,
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 12:32:47 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 3 Jul 2021 12:32 UTC

In article <87im1sj7lr.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>
>> In article <87mtr4jsqg.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's an oddity:
>>>
>>> Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
>>> level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the
>>> popular Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only
>>> list running on the server.
>>>
>>>
>http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/
>>
>> I am getting the same thing here as well.
>
>There are 3 entries from the nl2k.ab.ca domain in the subscriber list.
>
>The address under which you're posting to nanae isn't on the list but
>a different one @doctor.nl2k.ab.ca is.
>

I note I never signed up for such a service.

>FWIW,
>--
>Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
Punishing the law-abiding will have zero impact on crime. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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From: ahk@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:30 UTC

The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>>>>Here's an oddity:

>>>>Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
>>>>level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the
>>>>popular Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only
>>>>list running on the server.

>>>>http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/

>>>I am getting the same thing here as well.

>>There are 3 entries from the nl2k.ab.ca domain in the subscriber list.

>>The address under which you're posting to nanae isn't on the list but
>>a different one @doctor.nl2k.ab.ca is.

>I note I never signed up for such a service.

Thank you, yads. Mike Spencer noted that "Someone has accumulated 198,783
email addresses. . . ", that no email user willingly gave the list owner
his email address. That includes you. At no point did anyone on or off
Usenet in this universe or any other universe, at this point in history
or at any point in the past or future, think that any one of these people,
including you, subscribed his own email address.

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Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
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 by: David Ritz - Sat, 3 Jul 2021 18:53 UTC

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On Friday, 02 July 2021 18:44 -0300,
in article <87mtr4jsqg.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Here's an oddity:

> Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
> level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the popular
> Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only list
> running on the server.

> http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/

> I've received routine Mailman notification (including
> server-assigned password) for May, June and July. I've never
> received any user-posted messages from the list. Grepping their
> subscriber list, I turned up five acquaintances who are on another
> (largely local) mailing list. Needless to say, neither I nor they
> ever subscribed to the list.

> I have no notion why email-owner@primaria-calimanesti.ro, whoever
> that might be, would collect so many user@host.CA addresses and then
> plug them into Mailman.

> Comments or candidate explanations of why/how this might happen welcome.

After visiting the primaria-calimanesti.ro site, I notice that it
lacks even the most trivial fraud prevention on their address
acquisition web form. This suggests anyone could have submitted email
addresses for this largely unmanaged mailing list.

At least they provide a contact address,
mailman@primaria-calimanesti.ro, at
http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/. The page you
included has a reference to email-owner@primaria-calimanesti.ro. It
may be fully appropriate to suggest this list be retired.

It appears there are no posts to this list prior to or after Wed Oct 7
10:55:08 EEST 2015.

> (Yes, after downloading the subscriber list, I unsubscribed using
> their web interface.)

As primaria-calimanesti.ro provides you with your user:pass, this
would seem the one sure-fire way of avoiding further annoyance. This
appears to be a clear example of Hanlon's razor in action.

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
stupidity"

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Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Oddity: primaria-calimanesti.ro
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 22:35:33 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 3 Jul 2021 22:35 UTC

In article <sbps9b$3ih$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>>>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>>>>>Here's an oddity:
>
>>>>>Someone has accumulated 198,783 email addresses, all in the .CA top
>>>>>level domain, and inserted them into a listserve running the
>>>>>popular Mailman mailing list manager. It appears to be the only
>>>>>list running on the server.
>
>>>>>http://primaria-calimanesti.ro/mailman/listinfo/email_primaria-calimanesti.ro/
>
>>>>I am getting the same thing here as well.
>
>>>There are 3 entries from the nl2k.ab.ca domain in the subscriber list.
>
>>>The address under which you're posting to nanae isn't on the list but
>>>a different one @doctor.nl2k.ab.ca is.
>
>>I note I never signed up for such a service.
>
>Thank you, yads. Mike Spencer noted that "Someone has accumulated 198,783
>email addresses. . . ", that no email user willingly gave the list owner
>his email address. That includes you. At no point did anyone on or off
>Usenet in this universe or any other universe, at this point in history
>or at any point in the past or future, think that any one of these people,
>including you, subscribed his own email address.

And I do not give any lists.
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
Punishing the law-abiding will have zero impact on crime. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com


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