On 2023-04-08, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 22:06:15 -0400, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft OS'es have always been unfriendly to non-MS filesystems.
>>> Usually offering up a dialog of the form of: "Disk E: is damaged, would
>>> you like to reformat: Yes / No"

The same is true of Apple. I remember inserting an MS-DOS floppy
into a classic Mac and getting the same sort of message.

>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-now-lets-you-mount-linux-ext4-filesystems-in-wsl-2/
>
> Ah, so their 'unfriendlyness' was lowered with W10. Worth knowing.

I get nervous when certain people or organizations suddenly start
getting friendly.

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On 4/8/23 9:29 AM, Rich wrote:
> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 22:06:15 -0400, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 26B.X919 <26BX919@zoq21u.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/7/23 12:26 PM, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>> 26B.X919 <26BX919@zoq21u.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/6/23 3:45 PM, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I've been unclear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I set up a partition as fat32 to be read by CAE Linux as well as
>>>>>>>>>> Win XP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, none of my OS recognised exfat, so I reformetted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you mean "dual boot" into either Linux or XP, then you cannot
>>>>>>>>> write protect a fat32 filesystem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your only option here would be to write the fat32 filesystem onto
>>>>>>>>> a read-only medium (CD-R, DVD-R, BD-R, etc.) or /maybe/ an SD card
>>>>>>>>> with the "write protect" switch turned on, and plugged into a
>>>>>>>>> reader that actually honors the "write protect" setting of the
>>>>>>>>> switch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the record, I *am* beginning to wonder about Mr. "vip" ...
>>>>>>>> lots of really weird questions, yet little cognizant reply to
>>>>>>>> the proposed solutions. A very sly, subtle, sort of troll ???
>>>>>>>> The narrowness of this group would suggest the futility, but
>>>>>>>> then some
>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the short term I will still consider the OP as a "Winders
>>>>>>>> Victim" looking for a better path ... yet still ............
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, mr "vip" is tickling the feelers for "something smells fishy
>>>>>>> here". Nothing concrete yet, but there is definetly a "something
>>>>>>> weird" feeling from him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. vjp ... if his info is correct he has a seriously Greek name,
>>>>>> so we may just be looking at a language problem here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't comment on his "Greekness". He does come across as either ESL or
>>>>> a good troll. Seems, so far, more on the ESL side, but there's those
>>>>> nagging "smells" too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> He now claims that in a dual-boot setup with XP that XP can see the
>>>>>> Linux, likely ext4, partitions and their info. As I recall XP was
>>>>>> very unfriendly towards ext3/4 and would just see such partitions
>>>>>> as black holes unless you added some extra software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft OS'es have always been unfriendly to non-MS filesystems.
>>>>> Usually offering up a dialog of the form of: "Disk E: is damaged, would
>>>>> you like to reformat: Yes / No"
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-now-lets-you-mount-linux-ext4-filesystems-in-wsl-2/
>>>
>>> Ah, so their 'unfriendlyness' was lowered with W10. Worth knowing.
>>
>> What if you ran linux in a virtual machine on windows, and then shared
>> files via Samba? I read it is possible to access physical drives with
>> virtual box.
>
> You can do that, but then you have Virtual box moderating the disk
> accesses (if you use VB's native method) or you have Samba moderating
> the disk accesses (if you use Samba). But up until, it seems, W10
> windows provided no 'out-of-the-box' access to any Linux filesystems.
> You needed some 'moderator' in between (VB/Samba) or you needed to
> install third party utilities/drivers.

Yes, you CAN share files from a VM using Samba/SMB.
Works just fine, and no slower than accessing SMB
shares from yer NAS. Sometimes the biggest chore is
getting VBox to set the desired IP on your virtual NIC.
Had an "emergency" mail server running like that for
a couple of years.

Doing it via Samba gives you finer control over what
gets shared to whom and how.

There's also the VBox "shared folder" thing. That's an
unfiltered bridge between the systems however, less
secure. I'd have to check, you MAY be able to make
those read-only.

> And with the OP, all of everyone's suggestion to use Virtual Box to
> accomplish what appeared to be his initial request from the vague post
> fell on deaf ears, so there is no suggestion that the OP installed
> Virtual Box in any way.

Do not think he went that way ... despite urging. He was
fixated on a dual-boot setup.

> The OP also never asked about Samba -- so while he may have gone that
> route and not told us about it, we also have no knowledge that this was
> the way he went.
>
> His post of 'success' heavily implied that he magically got Win XP to
> access Linux filesystems without any additional help. But he left
> enough detail off to create a huge possibility of miss-interpretation
> as well.

Well, there's almost no hope of reading an ext(n) file
system with XP. It did get a little easier with Win10
and I think Win11 is a tad smoother, but I've never
actually DONE it.

What he CLAIMS to have done does not seem real. Of course
after all the fiddling-around he was doing who knows
WHAT sort of horrible hybrid he wound up with. If it works
FOR HIM, then fine I suppose ....