Hello, sorry for butting in!

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On 12 Aug 2020 15:26:32 GMT
> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>
>> If Usenet somehow became more popular and useful again, someone would
>> come along and crush it.
>
> USENET was always hard to crush, as long as there are people
> running servers and exchanging feeds USENET is running. I keep thinking it
> would be a good thing to do to set one up here (text only of course).

Is it possible to create a Tor-only text USENET that only peers with
other nodes within the Tor network and how "private" can that be for the
average person?

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According to ldpshddtti <uudbdjctko@qnqwvbhkwi.invalid>:
>Is it possible to create a Tor-only text USENET that only peers with
>other nodes within the Tor network and how "private" can that be for the
>average person?

It's technically straightforward to create a private group of servers that exchange
netnews messages. You can use ToR if you want but NNTP over TLS is fairly private.

The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all efforts to
date have failed.

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
> efforts to date have failed.

Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
undesirable results.

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According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>> efforts to date have failed.
>
> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>undesirable results.

I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.

There are still plenty of gateways between usenet and various mailing lists, which
are somewhat used, but that's because the experience of usenet and of email have
always been quite similar.

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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

> According to ldpshddtti <uudbdjctko@qnqwvbhkwi.invalid>:
>>Is it possible to create a Tor-only text USENET that only peers with
>>other nodes within the Tor network and how "private" can that be for the
>>average person?
>
> It's technically straightforward to create a private group of servers
> that exchange netnews messages. You can use ToR if you want but NNTP
> over TLS is fairly private.
>

That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of creating a
private USENET network. It seems like a good way of hosting a discussion
board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it though is learning how
to setup a node from scratch.

> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know,
> all efforts to date have failed.

Yeah, I agree. It just has a higher bar to entry that most people would
not bother learning how to use it. I can already think of a few people
that I personally know that wouldn't touch this even with a ten foot
pole because it doesn't have a fancy UI.

With regards to getting people on board though, I've been thinking that
USENET might be able to carve a niche on the "low bandwidth,
decentralized and censorship-resistant" area of communication.

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On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of creating a
> private USENET network. It seems like a good way of hosting a discussion
> board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it though is learning how
> to setup a node from scratch.

While a little involved, the Debian packaging for INN2 seemed fairly
decent when I last looked at it. The FAQ[1] is pretty complete.

> Yeah, I agree. It just has a higher bar to entry that most people would
> not bother learning how to use it. I can already think of a few people
> that I personally know that wouldn't touch this even with a ten foot
> pole because it doesn't have a fancy UI.

There are plenty of options for user-friendly GUIs to read news. Thunderbird
for example still supports it, and there are even mobile clients[2].

> With regards to getting people on board though, I've been thinking that
> USENET might be able to carve a niche on the "low bandwidth,
> decentralized and censorship-resistant" area of communication.

I believe the tilde community has done something like that. You could
probably even ask them for some help / insights if you really wanted to
build your own, they seemed a friendly sort.

As an alternative to doing it yourself, you could encourage others to
participate on Usenet instead of forming a separate network. After all,
Usenet has several decades of history as being "low bandwidth, decentralized
and censorship-resistant".

1: https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/inn.html
2: https://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/

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Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> writes:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
>> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of
>> creating a private USENET network. It seems like a good way of
>> hosting a discussion board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it
>> though is learning how to setup a node from scratch.
>
> While a little involved, the Debian packaging for INN2 seemed fairly
> decent when I last looked at it. The FAQ[1] is pretty complete.
>

Thanks! I will look into this.

>> Yeah, I agree. It just has a higher bar to entry that most people
>> would not bother learning how to use it. I can already think of a few
>> people that I personally know that wouldn't touch this even with a
>> ten foot pole because it doesn't have a fancy UI.
>
> There are plenty of options for user-friendly GUIs to read news.
> Thunderbird for example still supports it, and there are even mobile
> clients[2].
>

Yeah, Thunderbird is a good option. What I was thinking about though
were those "modern apps" that a lot of startups are using today. A
client with that "sleek and modern UI" might just get the attention of
the casual user. For me, I'm alright with my gnus + leafnode setup since
it gives me the right power-usability ratio for my USENET needs.

This is the first time that I've read about a mobile usenet
client. Sadly, NewsTap seems to be iOS only. But from the screenshots,
it looks nifty. I also saw an Android newsreader while I was perusing
the interwebs. It might interesting to someone looking for a mobile
client:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup

I was looking at the pictures in that app and I'm surprised that it's
being developed by someone in Hong Kong. I didn't know that USENET is a
thing there. I believe I saw some articles years ago that people still
use USENET in Taiwan for general discussions but I can't seem to find
that anymore.

>> With regards to getting people on board though, I've been thinking
>> that USENET might be able to carve a niche on the "low bandwidth,
>> decentralized and censorship-resistant" area of communication.
>
> I believe the tilde community has done something like that. You could
> probably even ask them for some help / insights if you really wanted
> to build your own, they seemed a friendly sort.
>
> As an alternative to doing it yourself, you could encourage others to
> participate on Usenet instead of forming a separate network. After
> all, Usenet has several decades of history as being "low bandwidth,
> decentralized and censorship-resistant".
>

That's fair. I've been getting a few people into USENET over the past
months but I think this medium really does attract a certain kind of
internet user. Those who are interested in doing longform conversations
in an email-esque manner will certainly be more inclined to use USENET.

Sadly, that kind of internet user is at best a small minority in a
population.

> 1: https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/inn.html
> 2: https://mobile.clauss-net.de/NewsTap/

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5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
>>> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of
>>> creating a private USENET network. It seems like a good way of
>>> hosting a discussion board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it
>>> though is learning how to setup a node from scratch.
>>
>> While a little involved, the Debian packaging for INN2 seemed fairly
>> decent when I last looked at it. The FAQ[1] is pretty complete.
>>
>
> Thanks! I will look into this.
>
>>> Yeah, I agree. It just has a higher bar to entry that most people
>>> would not bother learning how to use it. I can already think of a few
>>> people that I personally know that wouldn't touch this even with a
>>> ten foot pole because it doesn't have a fancy UI.
>>
>> There are plenty of options for user-friendly GUIs to read news.
>> Thunderbird for example still supports it, and there are even mobile
>> clients[2].
>>
>
> Yeah, Thunderbird is a good option. What I was thinking about though
> were those "modern apps" that a lot of startups are using today. A
> client with that "sleek and modern UI" might just get the attention of
> the casual user. For me, I'm alright with my gnus + leafnode setup since
> it gives me the right power-usability ratio for my USENET needs.
>
> This is the first time that I've read about a mobile usenet
> client. Sadly, NewsTap seems to be iOS only. But from the screenshots,
> it looks nifty.

I use NewsTap. I’m quite happy with it.

--
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>
> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>
>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>undesirable results.
>
> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.

Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
people might look for something else (not so social).

I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
--
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 00:47:15 +0800
5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:

> Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> writes:
>
> > On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
> >> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of
> >> creating a private USENET network. It seems like a good way of
> >> hosting a discussion board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it
[]
>
> This is the first time that I've read about a mobile usenet
> client. Sadly, NewsTap seems to be iOS only. But from the screenshots,
> it looks nifty. I also saw an Android newsreader while I was perusing
> the interwebs. It might interesting to someone looking for a mobile
> client:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
>
> I was looking at the pictures in that app and I'm surprised that it's
> being developed by someone in Hong Kong. I didn't know that USENET is a
> thing there. I believe I saw some articles years ago that people still
> use USENET in Taiwan for general discussions but I can't seem to find
> that anymore.

It's a decade old (at least) and is flakey, from what I've heard other say.

>
[]
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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:

> On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 00:47:15 +0800
> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
>> >> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of
>> >> creating a private USENET network. It seems like a good way of
>> >> hosting a discussion board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it
> []
>>
>> This is the first time that I've read about a mobile usenet
>> client. Sadly, NewsTap seems to be iOS only. But from the screenshots,
>> it looks nifty. I also saw an Android newsreader while I was perusing
>> the interwebs. It might interesting to someone looking for a mobile
>> client:
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
>>
>> I was looking at the pictures in that app and I'm surprised that it's
>> being developed by someone in Hong Kong. I didn't know that USENET is a
>> thing there. I believe I saw some articles years ago that people still
>> use USENET in Taiwan for general discussions but I can't seem to find
>> that anymore.
>
> It's a decade old (at least) and is flakey, from what I've heard other say.
>

That's unfortunate.

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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>
>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>
>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>> undesirable results.
>>
>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>
> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
> people might look for something else (not so social).
>
> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)

Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.

--
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>
>>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>>
>>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>>> undesirable results.
>>>
>>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>>
>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
>> people might look for something else (not so social).
>>
>> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
>
> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.

Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
obsolete.
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025.

This is interesting, do you remember where you’ve seen this?

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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:46:08 +0800, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
>>>> That's interesting. It made me think of some creative ways of
>>>> creating a private USENET network. It seems like a good way of
>>>> hosting a discussion board without any HTTP. My biggest gripe with it
>>>> though is learning how to setup a node from scratch.
>>>
>>> While a little involved, the Debian packaging for INN2 seemed fairly
>>> decent when I last looked at it. The FAQ[1] is pretty complete.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks! I will look into this.
>>
>>>> Yeah, I agree. It just has a higher bar to entry that most people
>>>> would not bother learning how to use it. I can already think of a few
>>>> people that I personally know that wouldn't touch this even with a
>>>> ten foot pole because it doesn't have a fancy UI.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of options for user-friendly GUIs to read news.
>>> Thunderbird for example still supports it, and there are even mobile
>>> clients[2].
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, Thunderbird is a good option. What I was thinking about though
>> were those "modern apps" that a lot of startups are using today. A
>> client with that "sleek and modern UI" might just get the attention of
>> the casual user. For me, I'm alright with my gnus + leafnode setup since
>> it gives me the right power-usability ratio for my USENET needs.
>>
>> This is the first time that I've read about a mobile usenet
>> client. Sadly, NewsTap seems to be iOS only. But from the screenshots,
>> it looks nifty.
>
> I use NewsTap. I’m quite happy with it.
>

Same here. I did not grow up using Usenet, and NewsTap feels very natural.

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 01:38:52 -0000 (UTC), lunchboxhero wrote:
>
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025.
>
> This is interesting, do you remember where you’ve seen this?

Yes, in a video Explaining The Future
<https://www.youtube.com/c/ExplainingTheFuture/videos> (chap from the
UK), but I cannot remember which of these (just pre-watched some but
couldn't find it, sorry). Probably from around 2018.

It was about the development of computers since the 1980s and a
prediction of the future. The 80s saw personalized computing to reach the
mainstream, the 90s networking with emerging internet access, the 00s was
all about internet and e-commerce, 10s about social platforms (and
predicted to have fizzled out by 2025). Prediction for the future then
went into computer implants and cybernetics.

He wrote books in the 80s and 90s where he predicted later decades, and
usually hit the nail.

F'up2 afc.
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In alt.folklore.computers Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
> >>>
> >>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
> >>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
> >>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
> >>>>> efforts to date have failed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
> >>>> undesirable results.
> >>>
> >>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
> >>
> >> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
> >> people might look for something else (not so social).
> >>
> >> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
> >
> > Apparently Facebook is now passe??? among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
> > or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.

> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
> obsolete.

I thought TikTok was the new thing.
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.

That ship sailed almost 10 years ago.

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 21:18:33 +0000, Ant wrote:
>
> In alt.folklore.computers Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>> >
>> > Apparently Facebook is now passe??? among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>> > or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>
>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>> obsolete.
>
> I thought TikTok was the new thing.

No idea.

But the prediction says "social platforms" will become *meh* by
2025. That includes whatever new thing is hype today or tomorrow.
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On 2022-09-04 02:38, Rich Alderson wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>
> That ship sailed almost 10 years ago.

Definitely true. My kids (upper teens) have never been on facebook, and
consider it something that only grandma uses. TikTok, Instagram,
Twitter, who knows what else... That's what kids use these days.
*Noone* uses FB if they are under 20.

Johnny

On Aug 31, 2022, ldpshddtti wrote
(in article <87v8q8vqwc.fsf@acddukoc.gyoa>):

> Is it possible to create a Tor-only text USENET that only peers with
> other nodes within the Tor network and how "private" can that be for the
> average person?

Technically possible, for sure; with the recent big push for censorship
on the web there may even be an audience for it, but TOR has a DARKSIDE.
If you don't moderate you'll be overrun with CSAM which will drive
anyone with a soul away.

A popular web-forum dedicated to discussing "lolcows" was recently
bullied offline. The administrator has found it nearly impossible to
maintain a presence online. You may be able to capture that community
and other ones like it, but again, anyone with a need to use TOR usually
brings a lot of unsavoryness with them.

I'd be game to setup INN on a hidden service and peer with you just to
learn how to, but we'd have to have a serious plan for moderation before
opening it up to anyone.

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>>>> undesirable results.
>>>>
>>>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>>>
>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
>>> people might look for something else (not so social).
>>>
>>> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
>>
>> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>
> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
> obsolete.

I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
videos.

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5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>>>>> undesirable results.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
>>>> people might look for something else (not so social).
>>>>
>>>> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
>>>
>>> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>>> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>>
>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>> obsolete.
>
> I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
> moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
> just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
> videos.
>

Instead of what it was before?

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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>> obsolete.
>>
>> I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
>> moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
>> just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
>> videos.
>>
>
> Instead of what it was before?

What do you mean? I think social media websites between 2009 and 2013
are more benign than what they are today. Now, it's just designed to
induce a massive flame war about whatever trending topic between two
extremely polarized sides.

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Op 3-9-2022 om 22:54 schreef Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 01:38:52 -0000 (UTC), lunchboxhero wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025.
>>
>> This is interesting, do you remember where you’ve seen this?
>
> Yes, in a video Explaining The Future
> <https://www.youtube.com/c/ExplainingTheFuture/videos> (chap from the
> UK), but I cannot remember which of these (just pre-watched some but
> couldn't find it, sorry). Probably from around 2018.
>
> It was about the development of computers since the 1980s and a
> prediction of the future. The 80s saw personalized computing to reach the
> mainstream, the 90s networking with emerging internet access, the 00s was
> all about internet and e-commerce, 10s about social platforms (and
> predicted to have fizzled out by 2025). Prediction for the future then
> went into computer implants and cybernetics.
>
> He wrote books in the 80s and 90s where he predicted later decades, and
> usually hit the nail.
>
> F'up2 afc.
>

Is the video you are looking for in his other YouTube channel?

Explaining Computers
https://www.youtube.com/c/explainingcomputers/videos

maybe this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewt2pqc3us

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