Joel wrote:

>>on mac/ios, pdf is a native format. no additional apps required.
>
> Good point. And if I'm not mistaken, has been for a really long time.
>
>>third party apps can add pdf support with couple of lines of code.
>
> Indeed, score one for Apple.

Jesus Christ, you iKooks are ignorant.

All you do is drink the poisonous JimJones punch that Apple feeds you.

Is your claim that the native software on a mac does what we do below?
[x] Fast PDF reader: (Sumatra PDF)
[x] Archive sites (wkhtmltopdf, Acrobat payware)
[x] Add or concatonate pages (pdftk, acrobat payware)
[x] Remove pages (pdfsam, pdftk)
[x] Rotate pages (Acrobat Reader)
[x] Renumber pages (Acrobat Reader)
[x] Remove restrictions (Ghostscript/Ghostview)
[x] Merge PDFs (pdfsam, pdftk)
[x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Viewer, PDF Shaper)
[x] Reorder pages (mutool)
?[x] Edit PDF existing text (Acrobat commenting, Acrobat payware)
[x] Print sans username in the properties (Libre Office Writer)
[_] Print book format PDF (FinePrint payware)
[x] Tile PDFs (i.e., to print large posters) (Posterazor)
[x] Create PDF new text (Irfanview or Paint.NET plugins + Ghostscript)

If your claim is that natively the Mac can do all that, then you don't need
to reply because it just shows how much you've drunk the kool-aid, Joel.

Seriously.
If all it does is read a PDF, that's trivial.

What _else_ does it do than just read a PDF, Joel?
--
HINT: You don't even know. Hehhehheh... classic iKook stuff...

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>>[nospam wrote:]
>>
>>>on mac/ios, pdf is a native format. no additional apps required.
>>
>> Good point. And if I'm not mistaken, has been for a really long time.
>>
>>>third party apps can add pdf support with couple of lines of code.
>>
>> Indeed, score one for Apple.
>
>Jesus Christ, you iKooks are ignorant.
>
>All you do is drink the poisonous JimJones punch that Apple feeds you.
>
>Is your claim that the native software on a mac does what we do below?
>[x] Fast PDF reader: (Sumatra PDF)
>[x] Archive sites (wkhtmltopdf, Acrobat payware)
>[x] Add or concatonate pages (pdftk, acrobat payware)
>[x] Remove pages (pdfsam, pdftk)
>[x] Rotate pages (Acrobat Reader)
>[x] Renumber pages (Acrobat Reader)
>[x] Remove restrictions (Ghostscript/Ghostview)
>[x] Merge PDFs (pdfsam, pdftk)
>[x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Viewer, PDF Shaper)
>[x] Reorder pages (mutool)
>?[x] Edit PDF existing text (Acrobat commenting, Acrobat payware)
>[x] Print sans username in the properties (Libre Office Writer)
>[_] Print book format PDF (FinePrint payware)
>[x] Tile PDFs (i.e., to print large posters) (Posterazor)
>[x] Create PDF new text (Irfanview or Paint.NET plugins + Ghostscript)
>
>If your claim is that natively the Mac can do all that, then you don't need
>to reply because it just shows how much you've drunk the kool-aid, Joel.
>
>Seriously.
>If all it does is read a PDF, that's trivial.
>
>What _else_ does it do than just read a PDF, Joel?
>--
>HINT: You don't even know. Hehhehheh... classic iKook stuff...

You wrote a lot of words, none of them contradicting anything that was
previously asserted. And I'm hardly an "iKook", if I despise the
iPhone, and would want to have a significant proportion of non-macOS
software, Unix-based and Windows VM-based, on a MacBook Pro, were I to
buy one. I really am not a gigantic Apple fan, honestly, I just think
they deserve credit where due, and the jump to ARM-type CPUs, early in
the inevitable transition, is a bold, decisive, and effective policy.

--
Joel Crump

On 2023-04-03, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>>Joel wrote:
>>>[nospam wrote:]
>>>
>>>>on mac/ios, pdf is a native format. no additional apps required.
>>>
>>> Good point. And if I'm not mistaken, has been for a really long time.
>>>
>>>>third party apps can add pdf support with couple of lines of code.
>>>
>>> Indeed, score one for Apple.
>>
>>Jesus Christ, you iKooks are ignorant.
>>
>>All you do is drink the poisonous JimJones punch that Apple feeds you.
>>
>>Is your claim that the native software on a mac does what we do below?
>>[x] Fast PDF reader: (Sumatra PDF)
>>[x] Archive sites (wkhtmltopdf, Acrobat payware)
>>[x] Add or concatonate pages (pdftk, acrobat payware)
>>[x] Remove pages (pdfsam, pdftk)
>>[x] Rotate pages (Acrobat Reader)
>>[x] Renumber pages (Acrobat Reader)
>>[x] Remove restrictions (Ghostscript/Ghostview)
>>[x] Merge PDFs (pdfsam, pdftk)
>>[x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Viewer, PDF Shaper)
>>[x] Reorder pages (mutool)
>>?[x] Edit PDF existing text (Acrobat commenting, Acrobat payware)
>>[x] Print sans username in the properties (Libre Office Writer)
>>[_] Print book format PDF (FinePrint payware)
>>[x] Tile PDFs (i.e., to print large posters) (Posterazor)
>>[x] Create PDF new text (Irfanview or Paint.NET plugins + Ghostscript)
>>
>>If your claim is that natively the Mac can do all that, then you don't need
>>to reply because it just shows how much you've drunk the kool-aid, Joel.
>>
>>Seriously.
>>If all it does is read a PDF, that's trivial.
>>
>>What _else_ does it do than just read a PDF, Joel?
>>--
>>HINT: You don't even know. Hehhehheh... classic iKook stuff...
>
>
> You wrote a lot of words, none of them contradicting anything that was
> previously asserted. And I'm hardly an "iKook", if I despise the
> iPhone, and would want to have a significant proportion of non-macOS
> software, Unix-based and Windows VM-based, on a MacBook Pro, were I to
> buy one. I really am not a gigantic Apple fan, honestly, I just think
> they deserve credit where due, and the jump to ARM-type CPUs, early in
> the inevitable transition, is a bold, decisive, and effective policy.
>

Apple does one thing very well. Their devices all work well with each other and as long as you
remain in the Apple garden all is well.
Android offers far more flexibility though.

I have an Apple iPhone and Apple watch and they work very well. I also have an Android and it too
works well, but it's a Google Pixel phone which comes without all the manufacturer spam programs on
it like others do.

One thing I do notice is that the Apple forums are loaded with fan boys who deny any problem and
blame the user. Most don't seem to know what they are doing. And in the official Apple fora if you
say the wrong thing you get banned.

Android users are more friendly and at least in my experience have better technical ability.

In Apple's favor is that applications I have on both phones seem to run better on iPhone.
Waze for example.

Both are quality products but appeal to a different user base.
Use what works for you or me and leave it at that.

--
Helmut
"If you don't like Linux, you might tick incorrectly"

Joel wrote:

> You wrote a lot of words, none of them contradicting anything that was
> previously asserted. And I'm hardly an "iKook", if I despise the
> iPhone, and would want to have a significant proportion of non-macOS
> software, Unix-based and Windows VM-based, on a MacBook Pro, were I to
> buy one. I really am not a gigantic Apple fan, honestly, I just think
> they deserve credit where due, and the jump to ARM-type CPUs, early in
> the inevitable transition, is a bold, decisive, and effective policy.

I apologize for calling you an iKook Joel, 'cuz I don't know if you're an
iKook or not - but what I do know is you know absolutely NOTHING about the
M1/M2 if you don't even know they're all fatally flawed.

That kind of confident ignorance is a classic trait of the iKooks, Joel.

Moving on, what I just saw you do, Joel, is you pulled a Bob Campbell,
Snit, Alan Baker trick in that you claimed that all books have nothing
inside of them, which is another trait of the uneducated iKooks.

All you saw was a link to a long Usenet thread, Joel.
Just like the iKooks - you didn't even _click_ on the link, Joel.

Snit does that all the time.
So does Bob Campbell. And Alan Baker. And Alan Browne.

It's a classic imbecilic action of _all_ the ignorant low-IQ iKooks.

It's like you claim every book in the world has nothing inside of it.
Simply because you didn't bother to open the cover and read what's inside.

Stop that.
It's what the iKooks do.

Stop it.
If I say something, it's correct.

Nobody on this newsgroup has _ever_ found a fact from me to be wrong.
They may not like my _assessments_ of fact, but that's an opinion.

For example, it's a FACT that all the M1/M2 designs have an unpatchable
flaw (it's not fully clear that the M2 has them but read the details).

That's a FACT.
Now an assessment of that fact could be anyone's guess.

Joel: I still think the M1/M2 are the best thing since sliced bread.
Me: I think that shows they are garbage.

Both those are assessments.
But the fact is incontrovertible.

If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?

You can't.
Right?

That's a trait of the iKooks.
Stop it.

If I say a fact, it's a fact.
If I give you a link, I expect you to click on it, and you'll find all the
references that I claim are in that link inside that "package" Joel.

You gotta trust me that I know what I say.
I'm not an iKook, Joel.

Don't you be an iKook.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Nobody has ever found my facts to be wrong, not because I'm a genius, as
I'm not - but because I don't make this stuff up Joel.

I actually read news outside of Apple's marketing bullshit.
--
HINT: Who is that stupid to think a Usenet thread doesn't contain reference
links inside of it so that one URL provides many? Answer === iKooks

Helmut Achterberg wrote:

> Apple does one thing very well. Their devices all work well with each other and as long as you
> remain in the Apple garden all is well.
> Android offers far more flexibility though.

I will agree with any sensibly logical point of view, particularly when it's
backed up with actual facts. Within the walled garden, Apple devices work
exceptionally well, as Helmut Achterberg opined above.

I agree fully with Helmut.
I never disagree with a logically sensible fact-based viewpoint.

> I have an Apple iPhone and Apple watch and they work very well.

Half my devices are Apple devices also, Helmut.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

But I care about cross platform compatibility.
<https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Over Wi-Fi on your home LAN

That's one thing Apple devices suck at (well, except with Linux iFuse!).

<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS

<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

Need I explain or do you understand?

Always speaking of unrooted/non-jailbroken devices...

A simple example, is connect an iPhone and an Android phone to a native
Windows PC and then copy any file you want to from that Android phone
(even on the system partition such as the Android hosts file!) to9 Windows,
and then copy any file on Windows over to the read/write partitions on the device.

Which works and which does not work?

HINT: iTunes _removes_ functionality!
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

> I also have an Android and it too
> works well, but it's a Google Pixel phone which comes without all the manufacturer spam programs on
> it like others do.

You can delete all of that, Helmut, quite easily.
*Remove Google Apps from Android?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/7qLXTRuzHCU>

And please, don't pull an iKook trick by saying that's just a link to
a Usenet thread. Read the fuckin' thread and look at the references!

Note if you're intelligent, you can even get ladb for free, which means
you can delete any app you want off of Android without being root and
without using a desktop computer to do it (using local adb).

*How to use "local" adb wireless-debugging ladb to spoof a PC connection*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/bbVGa-X3Xq4>

> One thing I do notice is that the Apple forums are loaded with fan boys who deny any problem and
> blame the user. Most don't seem to know what they are doing. And in the official Apple fora if you
> say the wrong thing you get banned.

That you got right.
You have to understand why they do that.

They all suffer not only from a low IQ and no education, but as a result
they lack self esteem so they use Apple's supposedly superior product
to "elevate" their stature in the slums that they actually live in.

I'm being colorful, but essentially they have a gold tooth and a
fancy watch and expensive clothes to make up for their lack of
self esteem, which is why they do almost everything they do.

You can tell they're this way when they literally gloat about how
much money Apple makes off of them in profit margins alone, as if
that's some kind of badge of honor that they "selected" the most
profitable company on the planet (as if that's a good thing).

They don't realize Apple couldn't make that ungodly profit margin
off of intelligent people, and they don't even realize Apple's R&D
by percentage is always the lowest (yes, the lowest) of all similar
high tech companies.

Think about that.

If Apple isn't spending any money on R&D, what are they spending it on?
HINT: Marketing.

> Android users are more friendly and at least in my experience have better technical ability.

I'm on the Windows, Android and iOS newsgroups because those
are the platforms I have.

The ignorant iKooks only exist on teh child-like Apple newsgroups.
They get their head handed to them on the adult OS newsgroups

> In Apple's favor is that applications I have on both phones seem to run better on iPhone.
> Waze for example.

Nothing wrong with Waze, but I don't log into anything, so Waze is not for me.
(I don't even have a google account on my phone, for privacy reasons.)

*A free privacy aware road map (driving/routing/address/poi/traffic) use model for Android & for iOS*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/iPbKfJ3N7m0/m/OjnRDSr_CQAJ>

> Both are quality products but appeal to a different user base.
> Use what works for you or me and leave it at that.

There is only one major problem with that sentiment, and it's the
fact that iOS can't do "stuff" that I want a phone to do.

Stuff like spoofing my GPS location, or stuff like sideloading,
or stuff like automatic call recording, or stuff like graphical
wi-Fi debugging, or stuff like on-device firewalls, or stuff like
organizing my homescreen the way I want to, or stuff like
installing apks from one phone to any other phone, etc.

The point is that there is nothing on iOS that Android doesn't a
already do (all by it's itty bitty self - outside the walled garden),
and yet, there is a ton of good "stuff" that Android does that iOS
can't do.

*Is iOS crippled? Please name a single useful iOS app functionality not on Android*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/QHOBKn2FBZw/m/ooDfzLruAgAJ>

If you don't need to do anything but play games and make phone
calls, then, sure, iOS does that as well or better than Android.
--
Notice it's a FACT there is tons of useful "stuff" that the
iPhone just can't do; whether or not that means it's "crippled"
is simply an assessment of that fact. The iKooks can't tell them apart.

On 4/2/2023 8:0 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>
> You can't.
> Right?
>
> That's a trait of the iKooks.
> Stop it.

Everyone knows about this, even google does.
https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable

On 2023-04-02 18:42, Ken Hart wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 8:0 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
>> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>>
>> You can't. Right?
>>
>> That's a trait of the iKooks.
>> Stop it.
>
> Everyone knows about this, even google does.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable

Now square Arlen's claim that Apple doesn't design the M1 with his claim
that Apple is responsible for the flaw..

Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> wrote:
>On 4/2/2023 8:0 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
>> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>>
>> You can't.
>> Right?
>>
>> That's a trait of the iKooks.
>> Stop it.
>
>Everyone knows about this, even google does.
>https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable

The results of that search merely indicate an obscure bug, meaningless
to using Apple's machines, not very different from other architectures
having similar flaws. <yawn>

--
Joel Crump

Joel wrote:

> The results of that search merely indicate an obscure bug, meaningless
> to using Apple's machines, not very different from other architectures
> having similar flaws. <yawn>

How _stupid_ are you Joel?
Seriously.

First off, the fact that the M1 has unpatchable flaws is just a fact.
You first disputed that fact.

Yet the entire world knows of that fact.
Except you.
And they iKooks.

And you disputed it anyway.
Without knowing a thing about it.

You were completely ignorant of that fact when you disputed it.
Now you made an ASSESSMENT of that fact, which is fine.

*But the fact you disputed the fact is the problem here*.

You disputed the fact simply because you didn't _like_ that fact.
(HINT: It's what the iKooks do all day, every day, Joel.)

Adults never disagree with facts (facts are funny that way).
Adults can disagree on _assessment_ of fact (adults are funny that way).

You're welcome to say "big deal", and oh, by the way, I wonder if you're
intelligent enough to realize what it "really" means when you say it's not
very different from the others.

Hehhehheh...
You probably do not own the intelligence to comprehend what that means,
Joel.
--
HINT: Apple didn't design the M1 - they just copied it.

On 4/2/2023 6:42 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 8:0 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
>> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>>
>> You can't. Right?
>>
>> That's a trait of the iKooks.
>> Stop it.
>
> Everyone knows about this, even google does.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable

Yeah, but what about the Pentium FDIV bug?

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 4/2/2023 10:59 PM, sms wrote:

>>> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to do an
>>> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>>>
>>> You can't. Right?
>>>
>>> That's a trait of the iKooks.
>>> Stop it.
>>
>> Everyone knows about this, even google does.
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable
>
> Yeah, but what about the Pentium FDIV bug?

I don't claim to know much about how Apple designs their M1 CPU.
Maybe you do?

The smoking gun that needs to be explained is if AMD had the exact same
FDIV bug as did Intel, then it would be an indicator of copying right?

Why is it then that the M1 has the exact same bug as non-Apple CPUs?

I'm not saying Apple copied the design, but if Apple's design is unique,
why does it have the exact same unpatchable bug found in non-Apple CPUs?

How did that happen?
--
Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com

On 2023-04-02 20:11, Ken Hart wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 10:59 PM, sms wrote:
>
>>>> If you don't even know the facts, how the hell are you supposed to
>>>> do an
>>>> accurate assessment of the M1/M2 designs, Joel?
>>>>
>>>> You can't. Right?
>>>>
>>>> That's a trait of the iKooks.
>>>> Stop it.
>>>
>>> Everyone knows about this, even google does.
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=M1+flaws+unpatchable
>>
>> Yeah, but what about the Pentium FDIV bug?
>
> I don't claim to know much about how Apple designs their M1 CPU.
> Maybe you do?
>
> The smoking gun that needs to be explained is if AMD had the exact same
> FDIV bug as did Intel, then it would be an indicator of copying right?
>
> Why is it then that the M1 has the exact same bug as non-Apple CPUs?
>
> I'm not saying Apple copied the design, but if Apple's design is unique,
> why does it have the exact same unpatchable bug found in non-Apple CPUs?
>
> How did that happen?

Because the bug was INHERENT to the ARM Instruction Set Architecture.

Anyone who designed a CPU to run that ISA had the same problem.

On 4/2/2023 8:11 PM, Ken Hart wrote:

<snip>

> How did that happen?

No idea.

But amusingly, when the Pentium FDIV bug showed up some colleagues at
work were amused because they said that that same bug had been in a
previous FPU, at our semiconductor company, and the FPU inside the
Pentium was designed by the same person who moved to Intel. Not sure
about the veracity of that story though.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2023-04-02 22:35, Relf wrote:
> MIT says M1 (2020) MacBooks have "unpatchable" vulnerabilities.

Yup.

And?

There are dozens and dozens of ARM processors that have the same
vulnerabilities.

Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>> The results of that search merely indicate an obscure bug, meaningless
>> to using Apple's machines, not very different from other architectures
>> having similar flaws. <yawn>
>
>How _stupid_ are you Joel?
>Seriously.
>
>First off, the fact that the M1 has unpatchable flaws is just a fact.
>You first disputed that fact.
>
>Yet the entire world knows of that fact.
>Except you.
>And they iKooks.
>
>And you disputed it anyway.
>Without knowing a thing about it.
>
>You were completely ignorant of that fact when you disputed it.
>Now you made an ASSESSMENT of that fact, which is fine.
>
> *But the fact you disputed the fact is the problem here*.
>
>You disputed the fact simply because you didn't _like_ that fact.
>(HINT: It's what the iKooks do all day, every day, Joel.)
>
>Adults never disagree with facts (facts are funny that way).
>Adults can disagree on _assessment_ of fact (adults are funny that way).
>
>You're welcome to say "big deal", and oh, by the way, I wonder if you're
>intelligent enough to realize what it "really" means when you say it's not
>very different from the others.
>
>Hehhehheh...
>You probably do not own the intelligence to comprehend what that means,
>Joel.
>--
>HINT: Apple didn't design the M1 - they just copied it.

You can pretend to read my mind, but I'm not here to prove, in some
juvenile pissing match, whether I'm more intelligent than you. I
mean, objectively my *posts* in the thread have been, and I'm able to
see through your silly argument about Apple's CPUs having "fatal
flaws", despite zero evidence. But if you want to post this inanity
in your "eighties", and leave me at decades younger as the apparent
winner, I can't stop you.

--
Joel Crump

In article <u0dp77$2rngf$9@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>
> There are dozens and dozens of ARM processors that have the same
> vulnerabilities.

intel too.

"nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>" wrote in message
<news:030420230851231984%nospam@nospam.invalid>...

>> There are dozens and dozens of ARM processors that have the same
>> vulnerabilities.
>
> intel too.

If Apple's M1 is unique how did it come with a copy of Intel's flaw?
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wasbit

In article <u0eip8$2vmee$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> There are dozens and dozens of ARM processors that have the same
> >> vulnerabilities.
> >
> > intel too.
>
> If Apple's M1 is unique how did it come with a copy of Intel's flaw?

whoosh

On 4/3/2023 5:38 AM, sms wrote:

>> How did that happen?
>
> No idea.
>
> But amusingly, when the Pentium FDIV bug showed up some colleagues at
> work were amused because they said that that same bug had been in a
> previous FPU, at our semiconductor company, and the FPU inside the
> Pentium was designed by the same person who moved to Intel. Not sure
> about the veracity of that story though.

I guess that could happen but only if the person who moved from one company
to another either stole the compiler code or remembered it exactly, which
isn't really likely that it's possible to have the same bug in two
different companies product unless there is a copying going on.

I'm not saying Apple copied it but if Apple's design is as unique as they
seem to advertise it is, then it shouldn't have the exact same bug that is
in other CPUs if it's as unique as Apple seems to want to claim it is.
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Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com