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* 'Nuther Challenge to the Code MonkeysLester Thorpe
`* Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code MonkeysPhysfitfreak
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    `* Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code MonkeysPhysfitfreak
     `* Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code MonkeysLester Thorpe
      `- Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code MonkeysPhysfitfreak

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Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code Monkeys

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From: Physfitfreak@gmail.com (Physfitfreak)
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Subject: Re: 'Nuther Challenge to the Code Monkeys
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 by: Physfitfreak - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 03:36 UTC

On 2/28/2024 7:57 PM, -hh wrote:
> Engineering is physics applies to the real world.

That "real world" again... Do you live your life inside fart? :)

Some don't!

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 by: chrisv - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:50 UTC

-hh wrote:

>I’m able to admit making mistakes.

Oh, really?

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 by: -hh - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:46 UTC

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/2024 7:58 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/27/2024 11:57 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>> When & where was this “they tried”? Citation required.
>>>
>>> If I give you the citation will you admit you're the one who's not done
>>> his research?
>>
>>
>> Yes, of course.
>> Because I’m able to admit making mistakes.
>>
>> Good luck, though.
>>
>> -hh
>
>
> Why do you think I need luck in that?
>

Besides how you didn’t provide that cite yet?

(FYI: been having ‘send’ glitches; hopefully this & other posts will go
soon)

-hh

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 by: Physfitfreak - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:29 UTC

On 2/29/2024 10:46 AM, -hh wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/28/2024 7:58 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/27/2024 11:57 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> When & where was this “they tried”? Citation required.
>>>>
>>>> If I give you the citation will you admit you're the one who's not done
>>>> his research?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, of course.
>>> Because I’m able to admit making mistakes.
>>>
>>> Good luck, though.
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>>
>> Why do you think I need luck in that?
>>
>
> Besides how you didn’t provide that cite yet?
>
>
>
> (FYI: been having ‘send’ glitches; hopefully this & other posts will go
> soon)
>
> -hh
>
>

Then read my blogs. You don't make it easier than that on yourself.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:03 UTC

On 2/28/2024 8:10 PM, -hh wrote:
> Plus the aircraft had been coming from Iran. The intelligence assessment
> is that if there were many killed, they would have been Iranian military
> UAS training personnel.

Do you need "luck" in providing citation for that?

Practice what you're trying to preach :)

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 by: Stéphane CARPENTIER - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:23 UTC

Le 26-02-2024, Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> News servers should pay me.

:))))))))))))))))))))))

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 by: Stéphane CARPENTIER - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:52 UTC

Le 28-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
> Feeb runs as sparse a GuhNoo system as possible:

Not exactly. He runs what he's able to install. Not surprisingly it's
sparse, but it wasn't his goal. He's limited by his abilities.

> tiny boot script,
> fewest processes required to boot, lightest desktop (only a window
> manager),

Because he can't add more. It wasn't his choice.

> many CLI programs.

Like what? Last time I saw a video from him, it was only GUI programs.
Except one terminal he launched because he couldn't kill his crash GUI
program otherwise. And he needed to launch a GUI program to be able to
copy past his command in his terminal.

That's not what I call "many CLI programs". I call it "only GUI programs
except when unable to do it in a GUI way". Once again: not a choice.

> He stays as "close to the metal" as possible.

Yes, but, once again, not by choice.

> Nothing wrong with that,

If it was a choice, there wouldn't be anything wrong. But avoiding the
issues instead of solving them isn't a good way to learn.

> but the asshole thinks that's the only appropriate way to compute.

He doesn't think, he claims. Because he's trying to hide his inabilities
behind his big mouth.

> Only Linux (and probably BSD) can be pared down like that. Consumer
> Windows definitely can't, though you can boot WinServer without a GUI.
> And you can actually boot Win11 to a command prompt, but it's very crippled.

You can do a lot with a terminal, but without GUI in Linux it's limited
too. To manage your system, the terminal is the best, but the purpose
isn't to manage you system but to use it. So, the management of your
system must be as fast and painless as possible. For example, even if
I'm using a browser which be controlled with my keyboard, I need a
graphical one and wouldn't use curl/wget/links/lynx except is
exceptional cases.

> Also, you have to understand something: Feeb's an insecure idiot that
> equates CLI processing with masculinity and technicality... unless a GUI
> program saves enough time or effort, then his no-GUI principles fly out
> the Windows (tm).

And, by the way, using a terminal is better in a graphical mode. Like
that, you can have your terminal next to the documentation which can be
displayed in a web browser or in a pdf viewer. For example, there are
many cases in which a terminal next to something else is good, or more
than one terminal at the same time.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <brevsnip>
>
> And, by the way, using a terminal is better in a graphical mode. Like
> that, you can have your terminal next to the documentation which can be
> displayed in a web browser or in a pdf viewer. For example, there are
> many cases in which a terminal next to something else is good, or more
> than one terminal at the same time.

Even in a Linux virtual console, you can have panes side-by-side, thanks to
tmux or GNU screen.

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 by: -hh - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 01:37 UTC

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/29/2024 10:46 AM, -hh wrote:
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/28/2024 7:58 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/27/2024 11:57 AM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> When & where was this “they tried”? Citation required.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I give you the citation will you admit you're the one who's not done
>>>>> his research?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, of course.
>>>> Because I’m able to admit making mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, though.
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you think I need luck in that?
>>>
>>
>> Besides how you didn’t provide that cite yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> (FYI: been having ‘send’ glitches; hopefully this & other posts will go
>> soon)
>>
>> -hh
>>
>>
>
>
> Then read my blogs. You don't make it easier than that on yourself.

The only “blog” I see of yours is:

“This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com”

In other words, you failed to deliver.

-hh

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Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/2024 8:10 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Plus the aircraft had been coming from Iran. The intelligence assessment
>> is that if there were many killed, they would have been Iranian military
>> UAS training personnel.
>
>
> Do you need "luck" in providing citation for that?
>
> Practice what you're trying to preach :)
>

It’s trickling out into Open Literature:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Korochansky_Ilyushin_Il-76_crash#Identification_of_victims>

There will be more made clear later, eventually.

-hh

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 by: Physfitfreak - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 02:33 UTC

On 3/2/2024 7:42 PM, -hh wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/28/2024 8:10 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Plus the aircraft had been coming from Iran. The intelligence assessment
>>> is that if there were many killed, they would have been Iranian military
>>> UAS training personnel.
>>
>>
>> Do you need "luck" in providing citation for that?
>>
>> Practice what you're trying to preach :)
>>
>
> It’s trickling out into Open Literature:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Korochansky_Ilyushin_Il-76_crash#Identification_of_victims>
>
> There will be more made clear later, eventually.
>
>
> -hh
>

I have not seen any news from Iranian news media, both official and the
clandestine ones, that Iranians were inside the plane. If that was the
case, then at least the clandestine anti-government Iranian news would
put it into trumpet very noticeably. But I haven't seen anything there.

I don't read their garbage of course (the anti-government Iranian news),
but whatever they're crying about is usually discussed and ridiculed in
other Iranian news outlets.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:59 UTC

On 3/2/2024 7:37 PM, -hh wrote:
> The only “blog” I see of yours is:
>
> “This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com”

Which says, you're uninterested in finding my citation.

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 by: -hh - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 02:36 UTC

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/2/2024 7:37 PM, -hh wrote:
>> The only “blog” I see of yours is:
>>
>> “This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com”
>
>
> Which says, you're uninterested in finding my citation.

You’re the one who’s not supporting your own claim. So why would I be
interested in exonerating you, when you’re clearly not interested in your
own credibility?

-hh

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 by: Physfitfreak - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 04:59 UTC

On 3/4/2024 8:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/2/2024 7:37 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> The only “blog” I see of yours is:
>>>
>>> “This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com”
>>
>>
>> Which says, you're uninterested in finding my citation.
>
> You’re the one who’s not supporting your own claim. So why would I be
> interested in exonerating you, when you’re clearly not interested in your
> own credibility?
>
> -hh
>
>

Hehe :) I think I've told you this before. You flatter yourself too much.

I don't need to support what I said. You needed help, not me. I offered
it, and you threw a nasty remark at me instead of politely asking for my
help.

At this point, you're going to beg me for it before I lift a finger :)

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 by: -hh - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 23:20 UTC

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/4/2024 8:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/2/2024 7:37 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> The only “blog” I see of yours is:
>>>>
>>>> “This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> www.avast.com”
>>>
>>>
>>> Which says, you're uninterested in finding my citation.
>>
>> You’re the one who’s not supporting your own claim. So why would I be
>> interested in exonerating you, when you’re clearly not interested in your
>> own credibility?
>>
>> -hh
>>
>>
>
>
> Hehe :) I think I've told you this before. You flatter yourself too much.
>
> I don't need to support what I said. You needed help, not me. I offered
> it, and you threw a nasty remark at me instead of politely asking for my
> help.
>
> At this point, you're going to beg me for it before I lift a finger :)
>

Translation: you know your claim was unsupported & unsupportable, but you
try to pretend otherwise.

The historical reality is that multiple groups in 1930s Germany were
targeted as undesirables and progressively marginalized and persecuted:
any programs to “reform” them into being ‘true’ Germans was at best just
propaganda, and often was a deceitful program to increase their repressive
and persecution, which culminated in the death camps, where 80% were
immediately killed upon arrival…zero so-called “opportunity” to contribute
their labor to the war effort.

TL;DR: you really should go see the traveling Auschwitz exhibit: it opens
in Boston on March 15th:

<https://auschwitz.net/#cities>

-hh

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 by: Physfitfreak - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 04:37 UTC

On 3/5/2024 5:20 PM, -hh wrote:
> Translation: you know your claim was unsupported & unsupportable, but you
> try to pretend otherwise.

I never play such games. Cro-magnons have given you bad impressions of
Modern Human.

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