On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 10:38:59 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 12:41:01, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
> >John,
> (Rudy, nobody else starts posts like that. I think I see why you do it,
> but it could be misconstrued.)
> >
> >> C will almost certainly contain something from both A and B.
> >
> >True. As defined by one of the RFCs it even has to. But again : relevance.
> I thought I had, but will again:
>
> If people kill a post, they don't want to see its contents. With the
> atrocious lack of snipping that is the norm these days, it is highly
> likely that a significant part of the unwanted post will remain, not
> only in the first followup, but subsequent followups.
> >
> >I already tried to explain how C knowing something of its grandfather A
> >doesn't help much, if at all. As of yet you still have to respond to it ....
> I'm trying to. Again.
> >
> >> You are correct that B and C will not contain anything that
> >> indicates A has been deleted:
> >
> >Maybe you should start with explaining why you are focussing on a
> >grandparent and not the parent.
> See above.
> >
> >> they are generated by people who don't know that _you_
> >> have deleted A
> >
> >Relevance ? What would change if I told them ?
> Nothing. I wasn't sure why you said that you can't retrieve anything
> from a deleted post, including the fact that it had been deleted; that
> is true, but I couldn't see why you thought it was important.
> >
> >You obviously are trying to make a point there, but I have no idea what it
> >might be. :-\
> >
> >> But your email client may be able to kill on the presence, in B
> >> and C's References: header, of the part from A.
> >
> >You already said that, and I asked you to explain where you got that A from,
> >but more importantly : what is the reason you are checking for it. You must
> >have one, right ?
> See above.
> >
> >> I would expect it to note the MID of A
> >
> >Finally! The explanation where that message-id of A could be coming from..
> >It took you a while.
> >
> To use your own words, "I tried to make you aware of that without
> spoonfeeding you the whole dinner" - but maybe I should have, if you're
> going to make sarky comments like "Finally!".
> >
> >To bad though that your "expect it" was already addressed a bit earlier,
> >where Apd stated that Ethernal September deletes HTMLed messages (your
> >newsgroup reader has nothing to note) and that I explicitily mentioned that
> >OE deletes posts by killfiled persons - *all of it*.
> Neither of those would stop you seeing followups by others (in the first
> case, using other servers) that _quoted_ some of the HTML-eejit posts.

Got it.

MK5000

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