I suppose it was only a matter of time.

But "Fallout 2" is getting an (unofficial) make-over, being ported en
toto to the "Fallout 4" engine, in Project Aryo.
(see the trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwJlcesILvY)

It's still in early production, and we'll have to see if this project
actually ever finishes, but even at this early stage it looks
promising. The original "Fallout 2" looks and feels old, and its
isometric-ish viewpoint is one of the biggest things keeping me from
going back and re-playing the game.

How the developers will handle the different mechanics (not least of
which is that "Fallout 2" was a turn-based game where you had an
entire party of NPCs backing you up). Turning the game into one where
you are largely running around solo will have a significant impact on
the adventure's feel.

And, of course, there is always the question of whether or not the IP
holders (Microsoft ne Bethesda ne Interplay) will even allow the
project to run to completion.

Still, odder things have happened, and I'd probably give the mod a
chance if it does finish.

On 4/7/2024 10:16 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
> I suppose it was only a matter of time.
>
> But "Fallout 2" is getting an (unofficial) make-over, being ported en
> toto to the "Fallout 4" engine, in Project Aryo.
> (see the trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwJlcesILvY)

Someone already tried (and failed as far as I can tell) to do the same
thing with the Fallout 3 engine.

Sure I'll give it a try if it ever comes to fruition.

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Am 08.04.24 um 16:56 schrieb Justisaur:
> On 4/7/2024 10:16 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>
>> I suppose it was only a matter of time.
>>
>> But "Fallout 2" is getting an (unofficial) make-over, being ported en
>> toto to the "Fallout 4" engine, in Project Aryo.
>> (see the trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwJlcesILvY)
>
> Someone already tried (and failed as far as I can tell) to do the same
> thing with the Fallout 3 engine.
>
> Sure I'll give it a try if it ever comes to fruition.
>
I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.

>I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.

Related: The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
coming! Guess they are confident
https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200

rms

On 4/8/2024 2:41 PM, rms wrote:
>> I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.
>
>   Related:  The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
> coming!  Guess they are confident
> https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200
>
Its easy to be confident enough to greenlight a second season of only 6
to 8 episodes.

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On 4/8/2024 2:41 PM, rms wrote:
>> I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.
>
>   Related:  The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
> coming!  Guess they are confident
> https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200
>

That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 06:55:17 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 4/8/2024 2:41 PM, rms wrote:
>>> I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.
>>
>>   Related:  The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
>> coming!  Guess they are confident
>> https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200
>>
>
>That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
>internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.

I'm not really sure who the show really is for. Diehard fans of the
game are going to hate it, just because it will inevitably stray from
the source material. ("How can you watch it? They said the Great War
started in 2243 when everybody knows it started in 2047!")*.
Casual fans aren't going to rush to watch the TV show just because of
the association. And Post-apocalyptics as a genre aren't really that
popular on TV in general (not to mention they tend to be more
expensive to make). Recent game-to-tv conversions haven't been
spectacular either; at best, they've been bearable TV, the sort of
thing you watch just because there's nothing better on.

Fallout especially lacks draw because it doesn't have any compelling
characters of situations; it's mostly got its setting, and that's it.
That's great if you're making an open-world sandbox game of the sort
Bethesda is famous for, but it lacks the draw of "Master Chief" that
makes people want to watch "Halo".

* years pulled out of my ass because I'm too lazy to go check the wiki
for something so trivial ;-)

On 4/9/2024 7:43 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 06:55:17 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2024 2:41 PM, rms wrote:
>>>> I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.
>>>
>>>   Related:  The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
>>> coming!  Guess they are confident
>>> https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200
>>>
>>
>> That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
>> internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.
>
> I'm not really sure who the show really is for. Diehard fans of the
> game are going to hate it, just because it will inevitably stray from
> the source material. ("How can you watch it? They said the Great War
> started in 2243 when everybody knows it started in 2047!")*.
> Casual fans aren't going to rush to watch the TV show just because of
> the association. And Post-apocalyptics as a genre aren't really that
> popular on TV in general (not to mention they tend to be more
> expensive to make). Recent game-to-tv conversions haven't been
> spectacular either; at best, they've been bearable TV, the sort of
> thing you watch just because there's nothing better on.
>
> Fallout especially lacks draw because it doesn't have any compelling
> characters of situations; it's mostly got its setting, and that's it.
> That's great if you're making an open-world sandbox game of the sort
> Bethesda is famous for, but it lacks the draw of "Master Chief" that
> makes people want to watch "Halo".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * years pulled out of my ass because I'm too lazy to go check the wiki
> for something so trivial ;-)
>
That's still more effort than many TV executives will exert or allow
their writers to exert.

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Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
>internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.

Nitpickers will nitpick, but the couple of reviews I seen make it sound
pretty good to me:

https://www.pcgamer.com/movies-tv/fallout-tv-show-review-the-best-fallout-anything-since-fallout-new-vegas/
https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/fallout-tv-series-review-prime-video-1235964070/

Based on those reviews, if you're a fan of Fallout, but not someone who
obseses about cannon, it's a series that recreates the feel of the games
as well as a TV series could, and if you've never played any of the games
it's still enjoyable for the unique Fallout sense of style and action.

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On 4/10/2024 9:30 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
>> internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.
>
> Nitpickers will nitpick, but the couple of reviews I seen make it sound
> pretty good to me:
>
> https://www.pcgamer.com/movies-tv/fallout-tv-show-review-the-best-fallout-anything-since-fallout-new-vegas/
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/fallout-tv-series-review-prime-video-1235964070/
>
> Based on those reviews, if you're a fan of Fallout, but not someone who
> obseses about cannon, it's a series that recreates the feel of the games
> as well as a TV series could, and if you've never played any of the games
> it's still enjoyable for the unique Fallout sense of style and action.
>

That *sounds* good. Only problem is those are both once paper now
electronic magazines, which are highly suspect. I'm sure I'll watch at
least the first episode anyway since I've got Prime.

I'll keep my expectations very low, and maybe I'll be surprised.

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Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>That *sounds* good. Only problem is those are both once paper now
>electronic magazines, which are highly suspect. I'm sure I'll watch at
>least the first episode anyway since I've got Prime.

I'm not following your logic there, but if it helps any both PC Gamer
and Variety still publish print editions.

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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 06:55:17 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/8/2024 2:41 PM, rms wrote:
>>>> I rather doubt they can pull this off, but lets wait and see.
>>>
>>>   Related:  The as-yet unreleased Fallout tv show has a second season
>>> coming!  Guess they are confident
>>> https://kotaku.com/fallout-amazon-tv-show-season-2-confirmed-release-date-1851395200
>>>
>>
>>That's surprising. I haven't heard anything good so far, just the usual
>>internet picking apart and complaining about what little has been released.
>
>I'm not really sure who the show really is for. Diehard fans of the
>game are going to hate it, just because it will inevitably stray from
>the source material. ("How can you watch it? They said the Great War
>started in 2243 when everybody knows it started in 2047!")*.
>Casual fans aren't going to rush to watch the TV show just because of
>the association. And Post-apocalyptics as a genre aren't really that
>popular on TV in general (not to mention they tend to be more
>expensive to make). Recent game-to-tv conversions haven't been
>spectacular either; at best, they've been bearable TV, the sort of
>thing you watch just because there's nothing better on.

Expensive yes, but post apocs have been very popular in recent years;
The Walking Dead, and spin offs, Last of Us.

They wouldn't even think about making Fallout into a TV show if they
weren't fairly sure it would have an audience.

Media producers and risk are rarely in the same time zone, which is why
we have so many remakes and reboots and continuations.

>Fallout especially lacks draw because it doesn't have any compelling
>characters of situations; it's mostly got its setting, and that's it.

Ahh but that gives you the freedom to make any characters you like,
instead of being stuck in the straight-jacket of pre-defined game
characters your actors will never, ever be a match for, leading to
endless whining from the game fans (see the whining when Tom Cruise was
cast as Lestat, or Heath Ledger as The Joker.)

Xocyll

On 4/10/2024 1:38 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> That *sounds* good. Only problem is those are both once paper now
>> electronic magazines, which are highly suspect. I'm sure I'll watch at
>> least the first episode anyway since I've got Prime.
>
> I'm not following your logic there, but if it helps any both PC Gamer
> and Variety still publish print editions.

There's been a lot of under the table pay for good reviews to magazines
turned electronic by marketing especially of games.

I watched the first episode last night, pretty good. Though I don't
understand why the BoS aren't perusing their internal problem much
harder with punishments all around.

The only other issue I had is was the constant use of the "doom bass"*,
which my wife complained was hurting her ears.

* Doom Bass. I don't know what that sound is actually called, but it's
a low rising and falling bass which was far too overused in the show,
and has been rising in frequency over the last decade or so.

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