Werner P. <werpu@gmx.at> wrote at 11:47 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Am 26.03.24 um 12:47 schrieb Werner P.:
>> Am 22.03.24 um 17:54 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>>> In other words, are modern games better? More advanced? More fun? Do
>>> you think games will be better or different in the future? Or are we
>>> perpetually stuck in the doldrums?
>>>
>>> (And finally, do you think we'll all be around to revive this topic in
>>> 2035? 😉
>>
>> well many games like movies have become formulaic spreadsheet todo lists
>> in game design, the bigger a game the more likely this is to be the case.
>> Add on top that we are in phase agewise where we literally have seen
>> everything in this area just with less sophisticated graphics.
>>
>> So yes the games industry has gone the way of the movie industry,
>> formulaic games, indie games which try to do something new or are just
>> junk and from time to time a really good title which tries to break new
>> ground or at least does not feel formulaic, like BG3 for instance.
>>
> PS I am slowly phasing out gaming as my hobby, i frankly do not have
> time for it anymore, and the have seen everything effect is big on me.
> So expect to hear and read from me less and less unless I got rid of my
> gaming fatique!

Good luck!
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 14:09 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 3/26/2024 4:47 AM, Werner P. wrote:
>> Am 26.03.24 um 12:47 schrieb Werner P.:
>>> Am 22.03.24 um 17:54 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>>>> In other words, are modern games better? More advanced? More fun? Do
>>>> you think games will be better or different in the future? Or are we
>>>> perpetually stuck in the doldrums?
>>>>
>>>> (And finally, do you think we'll all be around to revive this topic in
>>>> 2035? 😉
>>>
>>> well many games like movies have become formulaic spreadsheet todo
>>> lists in game design, the bigger a game the more likely this is to be
>>> the case.
>>> Add on top that we are in phase agewise where we literally have seen
>>> everything in this area just with less sophisticated graphics.
>>>
>>> So yes the games industry has gone the way of the movie industry,
>>> formulaic games, indie games which try to do something new or are just
>>> junk and from time to time a really good title which tries to break
>>> new ground or at least does not feel formulaic, like BG3 for instance.
>>>
>> PS I am slowly phasing out gaming as my hobby, i frankly do not have
>> time for it anymore, and the have seen everything effect is big on me.
>> So expect to hear and read from me less and less unless I got rid of my
>> gaming fatique!
>
> I feel like that to some extent, but physical limitations keep me from
> doing too much else so I go back to it. However I'm also at the point I
> get fatigued much quicker than I used to and can't play as much, and
> faster twitch games while I can keep up with them a little typically
> leave me in a state that feels like it's getting close to death's door.
>
> My other hobby has mostly moved past me. D&D I don't like the new
> rules, I can't find a group that's like the old ones, kids make it
> difficult to schedule, and our last move left me with nowhere to play it
> at my place.
>
> Unfortunately that leaves me with two habits I'd really like to stop, or
> at least curb considerably watching youtube and reading reddit which
> just feels like waiting to die.

I have gotten really burned out on most of my library.. RN, I'm
replaying the Phoenix Wright games.

I at least do have another two hobbies in drawing (my username) and
coding/tech stuff.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 3/26/2024 7:56 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:09:16 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
> Justisaur wrote:
>
>> On 3/26/2024 4:47 AM, Werner P. wrote:
>>> Am 26.03.24 um 12:47 schrieb Werner P.:
>>>> Am 22.03.24 um 17:54 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>>>>> In other words, are modern games better? More advanced? More fun? Do
>>>>> you think games will be better or different in the future? Or are we
>>>>> perpetually stuck in the doldrums?
>>>>>
>>>>> (And finally, do you think we'll all be around to revive this topic in
>>>>> 2035? ?
>>>>
>>>> well many games like movies have become formulaic spreadsheet todo
>>>> lists in game design, the bigger a game the more likely this is to be
>>>> the case.
>>>> Add on top that we are in phase agewise where we literally have seen
>>>> everything in this area just with less sophisticated graphics.
>>>>
>>>> So yes the games industry has gone the way of the movie industry,
>>>> formulaic games, indie games which try to do something new or are just
>>>> junk and from time to time a really good title which tries to break
>>>> new ground or at least does not feel formulaic, like BG3 for instance.
>>>>
>>> PS I am slowly phasing out gaming as my hobby, i frankly do not have
>>> time for it anymore, and the have seen everything effect is big on me.
>>> So expect to hear and read from me less and less unless I got rid of my
>>> gaming fatique!
>>
>> I feel like that to some extent, but physical limitations keep me from
>> doing too much else so I go back to it. However I'm also at the point I
>> get fatigued much quicker than I used to and can't play as much, and
>> faster twitch games while I can keep up with them a little typically
>> leave me in a state that feels like it's getting close to death's door.
>>
>> My other hobby has mostly moved past me. D&D I don't like the new
>> rules, I can't find a group that's like the old ones, kids make it
>> difficult to schedule, and our last move left me with nowhere to play it
>> at my place.
>>
>> Unfortunately that leaves me with two habits I'd really like to stop, or
>> at least curb considerably watching youtube and reading reddit which
>> just feels like waiting to die.
>
> You interested in a paid game? $25 a session, Pathfinder 1e with 3.5e
> supplementation. Basically OP 3.5 with PF skills. Played over Roll20 and
> Discord. Sessions meet every other Wednesday at UTC 18:00. Next session
> is April 3rd. Traditional dungeon crawl.
>
> A good friend of mine went pro-GM a couple of years ago. He's put a lot
> of work into it. Email me at my header address if you'd like to try it
> out or join.

Thanks for the offer, but I prefer to DM, and PF just felt like 3.5
taken to 11, which was the wrong way to go in my opinion, it needed to
be reigned in a bit.

The only game I ever payed to be in (well if you don't count paying for
entry to a con of which I've only been to 3) ended quickly and very
poorly with the DM tearing my character sheet up after targeting me for
1 damage from each of a hundred bees as the first encounter. Back in
the early days of Player vs. DM of course in 1e. So I'm a bit shy of
doing that.

I'm tempted to check into if WotC has 'living FR' or whatever it is now
games at the local comic book store, as I ran a few of those games I had
a blast at with a bunch of teens in the 4e days (Yes worst edition ever,
but the kid's enthusiasm more than made up for it.) I tried running my
own homebrew edition a couple times at meetups and the comic book store,
but only had 2 newbie takers as overflow from one of the 5e games one
time, it went o.k., but they were more interested in trying 5e.

I thought I was feeling some hostility from the 5e DMs there, but it
could've just been me, or maybe it was from the comic book store as I
wasn't using the books they were selling.

--
-Justisaur

ø-ø
(\_/)\
`-'\ `--.___,
¶¬'\( ,_.-'
\\
^'

On 25/03/2024 14:23, Justisaur wrote:
> Sequels that are online only, often mobile, and filled with MTX.  In
> that regard worse.  Diablo IV, Fallout '76, and others.
>

The mobile gaming scene is just awful, low production values, games that
are just a rip off of a different game and as you say stuffed with MTX
and aggressive MTX at that. It's a shame really as it just crowds out
certain type of paid games which I find are more suited to my iPad than
the PC.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:04:10 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>On 25/03/2024 14:23, Justisaur wrote:
>> Sequels that are online only, often mobile, and filled with MTX.  In
>> that regard worse.  Diablo IV, Fallout '76, and others.
>>
>
>The mobile gaming scene is just awful, low production values, games that
>are just a rip off of a different game and as you say stuffed with MTX
>and aggressive MTX at that. It's a shame really as it just crowds out
>certain type of paid games which I find are more suited to my iPad than
>the PC.

Or just flat out false advertising. They'll show pictures of videos of
gameplay or visuals that appear NOWHERE in the game, and aren't even
close to representative of what the game is like. It's not even the
usual 'bullshot' images that used to adorn video-game boxes. It's
showing you pictures of "FarCry 6" and then delivering "Ultima V".

There are good mobile games on the market... but they're increasingly
rare. It's a market that is best avoided entirely.

JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 09:04 this Friday (GMT):
> On 25/03/2024 14:23, Justisaur wrote:
>> Sequels that are online only, often mobile, and filled with MTX.  In
>> that regard worse.  Diablo IV, Fallout '76, and others.
>>
>
> The mobile gaming scene is just awful, low production values, games that
> are just a rip off of a different game and as you say stuffed with MTX
> and aggressive MTX at that. It's a shame really as it just crowds out
> certain type of paid games which I find are more suited to my iPad than
> the PC.

Yeah.. I still miss the early 2010's app store.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 29/03/2024 14:43, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:04:10 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> On 25/03/2024 14:23, Justisaur wrote:
>>> Sequels that are online only, often mobile, and filled with MTX.  In
>>> that regard worse.  Diablo IV, Fallout '76, and others.
>>>
>>
>> The mobile gaming scene is just awful, low production values, games that
>> are just a rip off of a different game and as you say stuffed with MTX
>> and aggressive MTX at that. It's a shame really as it just crowds out
>> certain type of paid games which I find are more suited to my iPad than
>> the PC.
>
> Or just flat out false advertising. They'll show pictures of videos of
> gameplay or visuals that appear NOWHERE in the game, and aren't even
> close to representative of what the game is like. It's not even the
> usual 'bullshot' images that used to adorn video-game boxes. It's
> showing you pictures of "FarCry 6" and then delivering "Ultima V".
>

They are notorious for that and it's got to the stage where it's
considered something that's worth mentioning in the advert. What you see
is actually what the game looks like. Bonkers really that it's got to
that stage.

> There are good mobile games on the market... but they're increasingly
> rare. It's a market that is best avoided entirely.
>
>