Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
the axe.

Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
older OS.

But - as much as it grinds me gears to do so - I have to give credit
to Epic for /how/ they are handling this transition. Because while
they are no longer supporting those operating systems, they are NOT
preventing you from running EGS on them. If you have an older version
of EGS running on Windows7, it will keep running. No, you won't get
anymore updates, and if there's a bug or security issue, don't expect
Epic to fix the problem. But if you are just using it to launch games
on an older computer, it will keep working.

This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
use it actually launch games.

Of course, the optimal solution would be just to make the games
available as self-installing executables, so players wouldn't HAVE to
use a launcher, even after the reseller stops supporting their OS. Oh,
if only (GOG) there was some reseller (GOG) who provided so helpful
(GOG) an option! But alas, there isn't. ;-P

Still, at least Epic didn't do the most-awful thing and force people
to abandon their older computers entirely...

On 21/03/2024 16:14, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
> Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
> operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
> the axe.
>
> Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
> support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
> those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
> would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
> older OS.
>
> [snipped]

I work for a company that provides software applications for customer
requirements (sales, purchasing, warehouse etc.) We have 4 versions of
our software that run on various desktops and servers ranging from
Windows/NT up to Windows Server 2022.

Our customers don't want to upgrade and having to maintain the 4
versions is a real pain.

One of them will report a bug, we'll fix it in their version and them
try applying the same fix to the others and rarely is this a copy/paste
job into the other versions :(

Added to that, newer operating systems have newer technology and the
older customers complain when they cannot have the new stuff. Trying to
tell them that it is only available for newer versions doesn't encourage
them to upgrade.

Cheers

Geoff

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:14 this Thursday (GMT):
>
> Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
> operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
> the axe.
>
> Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
> support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
> those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
> would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
> older OS.
>
> But - as much as it grinds me gears to do so - I have to give credit
> to Epic for /how/ they are handling this transition. Because while
> they are no longer supporting those operating systems, they are NOT
> preventing you from running EGS on them. If you have an older version
> of EGS running on Windows7, it will keep running. No, you won't get
> anymore updates, and if there's a bug or security issue, don't expect
> Epic to fix the problem. But if you are just using it to launch games
> on an older computer, it will keep working.
>
> This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
> actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
> even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
> use it actually launch games.
>
> Of course, the optimal solution would be just to make the games
> available as self-installing executables, so players wouldn't HAVE to
> use a launcher, even after the reseller stops supporting their OS. Oh,
> if only (GOG) there was some reseller (GOG) who provided so helpful
> (GOG) an option! But alas, there isn't. ;-P
>
> Still, at least Epic didn't do the most-awful thing and force people
> to abandon their older computers entirely...

Outright preventing old versions of programs is a big problem in
computers.. I still miss the old Steam UI.
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On 3/22/2024 11:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:14 this Thursday (GMT):
>>
>> Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
>> operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
>> the axe.
>>
>> Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
>> support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
>> those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
>> would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
>> older OS.
>>
>> But - as much as it grinds me gears to do so - I have to give credit
>> to Epic for /how/ they are handling this transition. Because while
>> they are no longer supporting those operating systems, they are NOT
>> preventing you from running EGS on them. If you have an older version
>> of EGS running on Windows7, it will keep running. No, you won't get
>> anymore updates, and if there's a bug or security issue, don't expect
>> Epic to fix the problem. But if you are just using it to launch games
>> on an older computer, it will keep working.
>>
>> This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
>> actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
>> even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
>> use it actually launch games.
>>
>> Of course, the optimal solution would be just to make the games
>> available as self-installing executables, so players wouldn't HAVE to
>> use a launcher, even after the reseller stops supporting their OS. Oh,
>> if only (GOG) there was some reseller (GOG) who provided so helpful
>> (GOG) an option! But alas, there isn't. ;-P
>>
>> Still, at least Epic didn't do the most-awful thing and force people
>> to abandon their older computers entirely...
>
>
> Outright preventing old versions of programs is a big problem in
> computers.. I still miss the old Steam UI.
i know
trying to install half life 2 and the old discs with steam on em make em
difficult if not impossible to get day 1 what it was like for life

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
>actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
>even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
>use it actually launch games.

Just checked and Steam still works on Windows 7. I was able to update
and launch a couple of games without issue. So while I'm guessing some
day in the future it'll stop working when Steam makes some incompatible
protocol or API change, for now you can still play Steam games on
Windows 7.

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:50:15 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:

>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
>>actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
>>even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
>>use it actually launch games.
>
>Just checked and Steam still works on Windows 7. I was able to update
>and launch a couple of games without issue. So while I'm guessing some
>day in the future it'll stop working when Steam makes some incompatible
>protocol or API change, for now you can still play Steam games on
>Windows 7.

It'll probably be when they update Steam's internal HTML renderer,
which uses Chrome to a later version. Modern Chrome is Win10 and later

Then you'll get stuck in the 'Steam must update to run' and 'This
update doesn't support your OS' loop.

Fortunately, the Win7>Win10 transition was a lot less rocky than the
previous WinXP->Win7 change-over, so you'll likely have a lot fewer
games that will only run on the older OS. And Linux/Wine/Proton is
increasingly a viable alternative.

Still, it would have been nice if Valve had provided a
not-officially-supported alternative for older PCs/operating systems
to install and run games released before the cut-off date.

(I mean, I get why they don't, but a lot of older PCs are more than
capable of running these older games just fine, and it seems like a
lot of hardware is going to just get wastefully junked because of
business - and not technical - reasons)

On 3/24/2024 10:45 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:50:15 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
>
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
>>> actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
>>> even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
>>> use it actually launch games.
>>
>> Just checked and Steam still works on Windows 7. I was able to update
>> and launch a couple of games without issue. So while I'm guessing some
>> day in the future it'll stop working when Steam makes some incompatible
>> protocol or API change, for now you can still play Steam games on
>> Windows 7.
>
> It'll probably be when they update Steam's internal HTML renderer,
> which uses Chrome to a later version. Modern Chrome is Win10 and later
>
> Then you'll get stuck in the 'Steam must update to run' and 'This
> update doesn't support your OS' loop.
>
> Fortunately, the Win7>Win10 transition was a lot less rocky than the
> previous WinXP->Win7 change-over, so you'll likely have a lot fewer
> games that will only run on the older OS. And Linux/Wine/Proton is
> increasingly a viable alternative.
>
> Still, it would have been nice if Valve had provided a
> not-officially-supported alternative for older PCs/operating systems
> to install and run games released before the cut-off date.
>
> (I mean, I get why they don't, but a lot of older PCs are more than
> capable of running these older games just fine, and it seems like a
> lot of hardware is going to just get wastefully junked because of
> business - and not technical - reasons)
>
And this would be different than computers have been handled for the
last 50+ years ... how exactly?

;)

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