Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote at 15:01 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
> say:
>
>>On 3/2/2024 9:32 PM, Xocyll wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>> say:
>>>
>>>> On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
>>>>>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
>>>>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
>>>>>>>>> 5-15.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
>>>>>>>>> it's picking things out still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
>>>>>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the
>>>>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a
>>>>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
>>>>>> archiving though.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
>>>>> people from accessing the new stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
>>>>> 'thing'.
>>>>>
>>>> Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
>>>
>>> Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
>>> after all.
>>>
>>> Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
>>> least there's no associated smells and infestations.
>>>
>>Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
>>to me.
>
> I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
>
> Xocyll

Oh, like that one time Twitter's AI became as bad as its users.
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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:51 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>> say:
[snip]
>>> Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
>>> to me.
>>
>> I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
>>
> I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....

Worse as in worse planned or more evil?
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote at 19:57 this Monday (GMT):
> > In article <us4u40$38c81$1@dont-email.me>, candycanearter07
> > @candycanearter07.nomail.afraid says...
> >>
> >> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 17:40 this Saturday (GMT):
> >> > On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> >>>> On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> >> >>>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
> >> >>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
> >> >>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
> >> >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
> >> >>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
> >> >>>>>> 5-15.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
> >> >>>>>> it's picking things out still.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
> >> >>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.  Its just not the
> >> >>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.  Also, at least for me, a
> >> >>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
> >> >>> archiving though.
> >> >>
> >> >> My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
> >> >> people from accessing the new stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >> It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
> >> >> 'thing'.
> >> >
> >> > From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
> >> > data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would
> >> > balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
> >>
> >> And they didn't think to just...filter binaries? Or just not
> >> include binary ng's?
> >
> > Binary newsgroups were never available via google groups and I assume
> > their peering didn't include them (why waste the storage if they're not
> > going to make any of the posted stuff available).
> >
> > So Googles point was probably more that after filtering out binries
> > there wasn't much left which I guess is true - usenet is certainly a lot
> > quieter than it was when Google acquired DejaNews and setup Google
> > Groups.

> It might be quieter, but we're still here :D

Yep. Also, easier to go find non-spam posts. ;)
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On 3/5/2024 2:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:51 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>> say:
> [snip]
>>>> Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
>>>> to me.
>>>
>>> I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....
>
> Worse as in worse planned or more evil?

All three. (Worse planned, more evil and more evil worse plans.) ;)

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 23:34 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 3/5/2024 2:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:51 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>> say:
>> [snip]
>>>>> Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
>>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
>>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....
>>
>> Worse as in worse planned or more evil?
>
> All three. (Worse planned, more evil and more evil worse plans.) ;)

The worst kind!
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
>about all the spam here.
>
>I mostly just watch this one.
>
>Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>
>If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
>
>-pw

*--

What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
step up to the plate?

-pw

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:06:31 -0500, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>>Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>
>Yes I am getting the spam but Agent puts it all together at least so I
>can delete it very quickly.

*--

How did you get Agent to do that Mike?

-pw

On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
>> about all the spam here.
>>
>> I mostly just watch this one.
>>
>> Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>>
>> If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
>>
>> -pw
>
> *--
>
> What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
> step up to the plate?

Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them.

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:19:43 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
>> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
>>> about all the spam here.
>>>
>>> I mostly just watch this one.
>>>
>>> Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>>>
>>> If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
>>>
>>> -pw
>>
>> *--
>>
>> What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
>> step up to the plate?
>
>Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
>service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
>crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them.

More to the point, Google let people post for free. Other services
require payment for the privilege. This sort of spamming is a high
volume, low return business. You can make money off of it - millions
of dollars even - but you don't get much per post. And while Usenet
accounts aren't expensive, there are probably such returns from usenet
(due to the low traffic) that even that minimal outlay wasn't worth it
in terms of how much the spammers were likely to get back.

Once Google stopped their free service, the spam stopped as if
somebody had turned a spigot. It was sort of amazing, actually.

Unfortunately, I fear the relief will only be temporary. To paraphrase
"Jurassic Park", 'spam finds a way'.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:58:25 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>How did you get Agent to do that Mike?
>
>-pw

I don't see the spam anymore but I simply have this newsgroup sorted
by 'Lines' at the top. That was enough to get the spam all sorted
together.

On 3/20/2024 9:30 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:19:43 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
>>> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
>>>> about all the spam here.
>>>>
>>>> I mostly just watch this one.
>>>>
>>>> Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>>>>
>>>> If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
>>>>
>>>> -pw
>>>
>>> *--
>>>
>>> What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
>>> step up to the plate?
>>
>> Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
>> service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
>> crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them.
>
> More to the point, Google let people post for free. Other services
> require payment for the privilege. This sort of spamming is a high
> volume, low return business. You can make money off of it - millions
> of dollars even - but you don't get much per post. And while Usenet
> accounts aren't expensive, there are probably such returns from usenet
> (due to the low traffic) that even that minimal outlay wasn't worth it
> in terms of how much the spammers were likely to get back.
>
> Once Google stopped their free service, the spam stopped as if
> somebody had turned a spigot. It was sort of amazing, actually.
>
> Unfortunately, I fear the relief will only be temporary. To paraphrase
> "Jurassic Park", 'spam finds a way'.
>
There are free Usenet services. Its just that most of them are pretty
vigilant about stomping spam.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 19:44 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 3/20/2024 9:30 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:19:43 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
>>>> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
>>>>> about all the spam here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mostly just watch this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
>>>>>
>>>>> -pw
>>>>
>>>> *--
>>>>
>>>> What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
>>>> step up to the plate?
>>>
>>> Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
>>> service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
>>> crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them.
>>
>> More to the point, Google let people post for free. Other services
>> require payment for the privilege. This sort of spamming is a high
>> volume, low return business. You can make money off of it - millions
>> of dollars even - but you don't get much per post. And while Usenet
>> accounts aren't expensive, there are probably such returns from usenet
>> (due to the low traffic) that even that minimal outlay wasn't worth it
>> in terms of how much the spammers were likely to get back.
>>
>> Once Google stopped their free service, the spam stopped as if
>> somebody had turned a spigot. It was sort of amazing, actually.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I fear the relief will only be temporary. To paraphrase
>> "Jurassic Park", 'spam finds a way'.
>>
> There are free Usenet services. Its just that most of them are pretty
> vigilant about stomping spam.

Like eternal-september!
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