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* If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...Spalls Hurgenson
+* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...candycanearter07
|`* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...Zaghadka
| `* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...candycanearter07
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|   +* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...Anssi Saari
|   |`- Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...candycanearter07
|   `* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...Spalls Hurgenson
|    `* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...JAB
|     `* Re: If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet...Zaghadka
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From: spallshurgenson@gmail.com (Spalls Hurgenson)
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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:07 UTC

If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet, time may be running out.

Microsoft allowed owners of Windows7 to upgrade for free to Windows
10. The serial used to register Windows7 would also authorize a
Windows 10 license too. Officially, this offer ended years ago, but
Microsoft never really disabled the offer. But now they're making
signs that this long period of forgiveness is finally coming to an
end.

So, if you ever intended to upgrade Windows7 to Windows10, better do
it sooner rather than later. You may not get the chance otherwise.

(As of 30 Sept 2023, you could still upgrade to Windows10 using a
Windows 7 key.)

Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
will run just fine too.

Myself, I have a handful of PCs still lingering on Windows7 (largely
because I was too lazy to do anything about it, and figured there
would always be an opportunity later). I might as well start the
upgrade process now.

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-kills-loophole-that-let-windows-7-keys-activate-windows-11-and-10?s=31

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:32 UTC

On 10/1/23 10:07, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
> performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
> will run just fine too.

Linux is great once you learn it.
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 by: H1M3M - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 07:41 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

> Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
> performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
> will run just fine too.

Windows 11 is what made me start migrating to Linux. I was never happy
with 10, but between 11, and the push to shove AI tools like Copilot was
too much. Now I just need to gather the courage to get out of my Debian
comfort zone and try Arch.

Performance with Linux will still depend on driver support, and if you
are using Intel / Nvidia, the closed nature of the drivers may led to a
loss of performance. I never considered AMD hardware until I began
migrating to Linux.

> Myself, I have a handful of PCs still lingering on Windows7 (largely
> because I was too lazy to do anything about it, and figured there
> would always be an opportunity later). I might as well start the
> upgrade process now.

If you intend to keep using W7, don't forget to use a patch / fix to
remove all the telemetry they added some years ago. Switching to
cumulative patches where you can't choose what needs to be installed was
a massive dick move.

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 by: Zaghadka - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:25 UTC

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 16:32:57 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
candycanearter07 wrote:

>On 10/1/23 10:07, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
>> performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
>> will run just fine too.
>
>Linux is great once you learn it.

It is indeed, but no matter what distro I use, there is always some
annoying little glitch that I have to go into obscure console commands to
fix or edit something dumb in etc.

My favorite distro is Debian rn.

--
Zag

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spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:31 UTC

On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
> My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>

Debian is great for stability, yeah.
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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:45 UTC

On 10/2/23 02:41, H1M3M wrote:

> Windows 11 is what made me start migrating to Linux. I was never happy
> with 10, but between 11, and the push to shove AI tools like Copilot was
> too much. Now I just need to gather the courage to get out of my Debian
> comfort zone and try Arch.
>

Don't forget the ads.

> Performance with Linux will still depend on driver support, and if you
> are using Intel / Nvidia, the closed nature of the drivers may led to a
> loss of performance. I never considered AMD hardware until I began
> migrating to Linux.
>
>
>> Myself, I have a handful of PCs still lingering on Windows7 (largely
>>  because I was too lazy to do anything about it, and figured there
>> would always be an opportunity later). I might as well start the
>> upgrade process now.
>
> If you intend to keep using W7, don't forget to use a patch / fix to
> remove all the telemetry they added some years ago. Switching to
> cumulative patches where you can't choose what needs to be installed was
> a massive dick move.
>

IMO, Win7 was the last truly good Windows. W8 was fine but annoying, W10
was frustrating, and W11 was *bad*.
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 by: Ant - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 04:55 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet, time may be running out.

> Microsoft allowed owners of Windows7 to upgrade for free to Windows
> 10. The serial used to register Windows7 would also authorize a
> Windows 10 license too. Officially, this offer ended years ago, but
> Microsoft never really disabled the offer. But now they're making
> signs that this long period of forgiveness is finally coming to an
> end.

> So, if you ever intended to upgrade Windows7 to Windows10, better do
> it sooner rather than later. You may not get the chance otherwise.

> (As of 30 Sept 2023, you could still upgrade to Windows10 using a
> Windows 7 key.)

> Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
> performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
> will run just fine too.

> Myself, I have a handful of PCs still lingering on Windows7 (largely
> because I was too lazy to do anything about it, and figured there
> would always be an opportunity later). I might as well start the
> upgrade process now.

> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-kills-loophole-that-let-windows-7-keys-activate-windows-11-and-10?s=31

I don't want to use my activated W7 though. Is there a way to add our W7 keys into our MS accounts for future activations?
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 by: Ant - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 04:55 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
> > My favorite distro is Debian rn.
> >

> Debian is great for stability, yeah.

Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)
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 by: Ant - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 04:56 UTC

H1M3M <wipnoah@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

> > Or, you know, just install Linux. You'll probably get better
> > performance, and odds are the older games that old hardware supports
> > will run just fine too.

> Windows 11 is what made me start migrating to Linux. I was never happy
> with 10, but between 11, and the push to shove AI tools like Copilot was
> too much. Now I just need to gather the courage to get out of my Debian
> comfort zone and try Arch.

> Performance with Linux will still depend on driver support, and if you
> are using Intel / Nvidia, the closed nature of the drivers may led to a
> loss of performance. I never considered AMD hardware until I began
> migrating to Linux.

Each newer Windows version get worse. :(
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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 05:08 UTC

On 10/2/23 23:55, Ant wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
>>> My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>>>
>
>> Debian is great for stability, yeah.
>
> Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)

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 by: Anssi Saari - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:12 UTC

ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

> Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)

In a limited fashion I am. Usually I just some simple games from Steam
on Linux, if there's a native build. Sometimes emulated stuff too like
my recent playthrough of Karateka. I mostly use Debian Linux for
stability but that doesn't really mix with needing to have the latest
GPU drivers and the latest Proton layer.

I have Arch Linux around too but I haven't really done much with it. The
idea was to have access to the latest Linux SW but I haven't done much
more than checking out the latest eye candy in the newest KDE which is
the prettiest and configurablest (if that's a word) desktop environment
on Linux.

So I haven't really tried any heavier game in Linux since Talos
Principle a few years ago and that had some pretty ugly framerate drops
in some places.

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:51 UTC

On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 04:55:12 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet, time may be running out.

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-kills-loophole-that-let-windows-7-keys-activate-windows-11-and-10?s=31

>I don't want to use my activated W7 though. Is there a way to add our W7 keys into our MS accounts for future activations?

Well, it's not as if Microsoft is killing the Win7 activation servers,
so if you want to stick with Win7, feel free to do so (I understand
the temptation). You just may not be able to upgrade to Windows 10.

Alternately, there are tools that bypass the Win7 activation entirely
by shimming a license (System Licensed Internal Code) into the BIOS
code (not the ROMS, don't worry, it's nothing permanent) so Windows
thinks its already activated. You could then use a Win7 key to
activate Win10, then use the shim to revert to Win7 if necessary. Best
of both worlds! Is it legal? Probably not, but I wouldn't have too
many qualms about using it if I had a legitimate Win7 key.

Anyway, the timeline for the offer /really/ expiring is uncertain...
it hasn't happened yet and it may not happen for weeks... or months...
or potentially for years.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:02 UTC

On 10/3/23 06:12, Anssi Saari wrote:
> So I haven't really tried any heavier game in Linux since Talos
> Principle a few years ago and that had some pretty ugly framerate drops
> in some places.

Same, mostly bc I have a thinkpad.
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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:03 UTC

On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 04:55:40 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
>> > My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>> >
>
>> Debian is great for stability, yeah.
>
>Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)

Yes...ish?

I have (several) PCs with varying flavours of Linux. I sometimes play
games on them. The PCs themselves aren't my most powerful so I'm not
playing the high-end games (In fact, since most of my Linux PCs are
laptops - which I use on-the-go - playing games tends to drain the
battery to fast to really make it worthwhile). Still, I have played
games on those PCs (most notably, "Civilization IV", which is
something of a go-to game while I'm on the go, for some reason). And,
generally, Linux works pretty well... especially for older games. Some
titles, of course, have native version but WINE/PROTON support is
impressively good. Not perfect, but good enough for most titles I
play.

But Windows - in its various iterations - still remains my primary
gaming platform.

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 by: Xocyll - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:07 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
<snip>

>IMO, Win7 was the last truly good Windows. W8 was fine but annoying, W10
>was frustrating, and W11 was *bad*.

You are not wrong, although I have zero experience with 8 and 10.

Win11 seem like they moved or hid everything that used to be easy to
find, MS telling you how you are to use the OS, dictating a bunch of
apps you are not allowed to remove and of course the constant stream of
data back to Microsoft from a dozen different background apps that don't
explain what they are or why they're calling home and of course are
allowed out through the default firewall.

That combined with the new generation of drivers and software for the
hardware that all default to a send data back to company to "improve the
software" or "tailor your ad experience" make for a really shitty
situation.

You want to tailor my ad experience, remove all of them, nothing else
will suit me.

Adding a proper firewall puts the kibosh on all of that, allowed in or
out if configured, blocked by default.

Like Flies bouncing off a window they are.

Not to mention everything trying a driver update every day - why exactly
does my motherboard, mouse or graphics card need a new driver without me
being in the loop?

If the current driver works, why fuck with it with something that might
not - and even MS themselves have pushed out updates that break shit
(and got sued for it.) Something being supported by Microsoft isn't
necessarily a good thing when quality control is lacking.

Hell I ran the same video driver for something like 7 years - it was the
last nvidia driver that actually had relevance for that card (every
unified driver after just said basically "added support for card you
don't have" or "added support for game you don't play"

And those drivers just worked without issue in any game I played,
surprise, surprise.

If it wasn't for companies like Valve and PWI shutting off access to
anyone using 7 (and now 8 as well), I'd just stick with it, it worked
and was dead stable.

If Linux has truly become a gaming OS I might have to take a look at it
again (did years ago and ended up with a half Slackware/half redhat
thing cause of a window manager (enlightenment?) I wanted to use.)
Ultimately went back to windows since game support at the time consisted
of a Quake port I think and not much else.

Xocyll

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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:17 UTC

On 10/3/23 12:07, Xocyll wrote:
> If Linux has truly become a gaming OS I might have to take a look at it
> again (did years ago and ended up with a half Slackware/half redhat
> thing cause of a window manager (enlightenment?) I wanted to use.)
> Ultimately went back to windows since game support at the time consisted
> of a Quake port I think and not much else.
>
> Xocyll

Game support is way better nowadays, thanks to Steams efforts.
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 by: Luc Lan - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:15 UTC

On 03.10.2023 08:08, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/2/23 23:55, Ant wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>> My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>>>>
>>
>>> Debian is great for stability, yeah.
>>
>> Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)
>
> Me
Me too.

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 by: H1MEM - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:51 UTC

candycanearter07 wrote:

> Game support is way better nowadays, thanks to Steams efforts.

I can vouch for that. Steam Deck has changed my perception of gaming on
Linux (GNU/Linux if somebody from the FSF is reading this). It's crazy
how far Wine / Proton has gotten. Lutris being able to install games
from Gog, Prime Gaming, Epic, etc is also a big plus. I just got an
extra SDD, so I'm going to see if can replicate the Arch Linux / Steam
OS experience on Debian 12.

Only issue is the stuff that uses anticheat services, don't give a crap
about free software, and whose owners will be downright hostile towards
the consumer to the point of banning the player for using Linux. Bungie
and Destiny 2 can go fudge themselves, and we won't miss a lot.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:23 UTC

On 10/3/23 14:51, H1MEM wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Game support is way better nowadays, thanks to Steams efforts.
>
>
> I can vouch for that. Steam Deck has changed my perception of gaming on
> Linux (GNU/Linux if somebody from the FSF is reading this). It's crazy
> how far Wine / Proton has gotten. Lutris being able to install games
> from Gog, Prime Gaming, Epic, etc is also a big plus. I just got an
> extra SDD, so I'm going to see if can replicate the Arch Linux / Steam
> OS experience on Debian 12.
>
> Only issue is the stuff that uses anticheat services, don't give a crap
> about free software, and whose owners will be downright hostile towards
> the consumer to the point of banning the player for using Linux. Bungie
> and Destiny 2 can go fudge themselves, and we won't miss a lot.

I heard that Roblox intentionally targeted Linux machines once.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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 by: JAB - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:08 UTC

On 03/10/2023 18:03, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 04:55:40 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>> My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>>>>
>>
>>> Debian is great for stability, yeah.
>>
>> Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)
>
> Yes...ish?
>
> I have (several) PCs with varying flavours of Linux. I sometimes play
> games on them. The PCs themselves aren't my most powerful so I'm not
> playing the high-end games (In fact, since most of my Linux PCs are
> laptops - which I use on-the-go - playing games tends to drain the
> battery to fast to really make it worthwhile). Still, I have played
> games on those PCs (most notably, "Civilization IV", which is
> something of a go-to game while I'm on the go, for some reason). And,
> generally, Linux works pretty well... especially for older games. Some
> titles, of course, have native version but WINE/PROTON support is
> impressively good. Not perfect, but good enough for most titles I
> play.
>
> But Windows - in its various iterations - still remains my primary
> gaming platform.
>

I have thought about making a dual boot system but on reflection I came
to the conclusion of what's the point. My PC's main function, indeed
almost only but I do use it as a VTT and a Specky 48k emulator, is web
access, this NG and games. There's nothing wrong with Linux (I much
prefer it as a dev. platform) but for my home PC, it really doesn't give
me anything except some possible negatives.

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 by: Zaghadka - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:56 UTC

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 10:08:33 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
wrote:

>On 03/10/2023 18:03, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 04:55:40 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>>
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/2/23 09:25, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>>> My favorite distro is Debian rn.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Debian is great for stability, yeah.
>>>
>>> Ditto. Is anyone using Linux for gaming? ;)
>>
>> Yes...ish?
>>
>> I have (several) PCs with varying flavours of Linux. I sometimes play
>> games on them. The PCs themselves aren't my most powerful so I'm not
>> playing the high-end games (In fact, since most of my Linux PCs are
>> laptops - which I use on-the-go - playing games tends to drain the
>> battery to fast to really make it worthwhile). Still, I have played
>> games on those PCs (most notably, "Civilization IV", which is
>> something of a go-to game while I'm on the go, for some reason). And,
>> generally, Linux works pretty well... especially for older games. Some
>> titles, of course, have native version but WINE/PROTON support is
>> impressively good. Not perfect, but good enough for most titles I
>> play.
>>
>> But Windows - in its various iterations - still remains my primary
>> gaming platform.
>>
>
>I have thought about making a dual boot system but on reflection I came
>to the conclusion of what's the point. My PC's main function, indeed
>almost only but I do use it as a VTT and a Specky 48k emulator, is web
>access, this NG and games. There's nothing wrong with Linux (I much
>prefer it as a dev. platform) but for my home PC, it really doesn't give
>me anything except some possible negatives.

For the virtues of it, you might run it in VirtualBox. Then you can wean
yourself off Windows until you're ready to make the switch.

I had a bunch of VirtualBox machines in my install. Tried several distros
there. I uninstalled VirtualBox to get Core Isolation (requires Hyper-V)
in Windows 11. Now that I've decided that all the advanced security stuff
is dumb hype and a way to encourage lock-in, I can reinstall it, now that
I think about it.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:18 UTC

On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 11:07:29 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet, time may be running out.
>

Updated:
Well, I finished upgrading all my Win7 PCs to Win10. Well, all the PCs
I /wanted/ to upgrade, anyway.

It was a fairly painless process, especially when I did an "in-place"
upgrade that just updated the OS without wiping first (I know, I know,
but these aren't PCs that get much use. And I was too lazy to have to
do it the 'proper' way on all those older PCs).

Benchmarks, though, reveal around a 10% drop in performance, which I
found quite surprising; so much was said about how great Win10 was for
gaming. For some of those PCs, I could almost understand it (honestly,
one of those laptops never should even have had Windows7 installed on
it, it was so underpowered) but most of them were well above the
minimum recommended system requirements. At first, I thought maybe it
was because I did an in-place install, so I tested with a
clean-install, but no.

Still, a 10% performance loss really isn't noticable and it's not like
I'm stuck with the OS. Or that it really matters for PCs that spend
most of their life powered off. I just found it amusing. And, overall,
I'm glad I took advantage of the offer before it disappeared.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:33 UTC

On 10/8/2023 5:18 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 11:07:29 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you haven't upgraded your Windows7 PC yet, time may be running out.
>>
>
> Updated:
> Well, I finished upgrading all my Win7 PCs to Win10. Well, all the PCs
> I /wanted/ to upgrade, anyway.
>
> It was a fairly painless process, especially when I did an "in-place"
> upgrade that just updated the OS without wiping first (I know, I know,
> but these aren't PCs that get much use. And I was too lazy to have to
> do it the 'proper' way on all those older PCs).
>
> Benchmarks, though, reveal around a 10% drop in performance, which I
> found quite surprising; so much was said about how great Win10 was for
> gaming. For some of those PCs, I could almost understand it (honestly,
> one of those laptops never should even have had Windows7 installed on
> it, it was so underpowered) but most of them were well above the
> minimum recommended system requirements. At first, I thought maybe it
> was because I did an in-place install, so I tested with a
> clean-install, but no.
>
> Still, a 10% performance loss really isn't noticable and it's not like
> I'm stuck with the OS. Or that it really matters for PCs that spend
> most of their life powered off. I just found it amusing. And, overall,
> I'm glad I took advantage of the offer before it disappeared.
>
I think you are finding the different between "Minimum necessary to run
it in some form" and "Minimum necessary to run properly" with possibly
some "Minimum necessary you need to buy from our subsidiaries and
license paying partners to run well". ;)

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: JAB - Mon, 9 Oct 2023 11:07 UTC

On 04/10/2023 14:56, Zaghadka wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 10:08:33 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
> wrote:
>> I have thought about making a dual boot system but on reflection I came
>> to the conclusion of what's the point. My PC's main function, indeed
>> almost only but I do use it as a VTT and a Specky 48k emulator, is web
>> access, this NG and games. There's nothing wrong with Linux (I much
>> prefer it as a dev. platform) but for my home PC, it really doesn't give
>> me anything except some possible negatives.
>
> For the virtues of it, you might run it in VirtualBox. Then you can wean
> yourself off Windows until you're ready to make the switch.
>

I have used VB for work with Linux but when it comes to home use I still
think it really doesn't give me any upsides compared to using Win 10 for
what I use my PC for.

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 by: Zaghadka - Mon, 9 Oct 2023 14:16 UTC

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 12:07:35 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
wrote:

>On 04/10/2023 14:56, Zaghadka wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 10:08:33 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
>> wrote:
>>> I have thought about making a dual boot system but on reflection I came
>>> to the conclusion of what's the point. My PC's main function, indeed
>>> almost only but I do use it as a VTT and a Specky 48k emulator, is web
>>> access, this NG and games. There's nothing wrong with Linux (I much
>>> prefer it as a dev. platform) but for my home PC, it really doesn't give
>>> me anything except some possible negatives.
>>
>> For the virtues of it, you might run it in VirtualBox. Then you can wean
>> yourself off Windows until you're ready to make the switch.
>>
>
>I have used VB for work with Linux but when it comes to home use I still
>think it really doesn't give me any upsides compared to using Win 10 for
>what I use my PC for.

Same. It's more me chafing at my MS yoke than anything else. For all that
I hear problems about 10, and I'm on 11 and people seem completely up in
arms about *that*, I haven't had a problem with 10 nor 11.

I think ultimately MS is going to release a Linux distro as the next
version of Windows, though. NT has irreparable design flaws. I've seen
work on this distro called Pengwin that has their fingerprints all over
it.

https://www.whitewaterfoundry.com/

I think MS is working on backwards compatibility now, but in the
not-so-distant future, it's probably gonna be all Linux. I don't know
what games it'll run or if they'll pull some shenanigans with
Steam/Valve. I fully expect they will. Valve may have to release a
competing OS at that point. So I'm hoping Proton works out well.

So while my Steam library seems pretty secure, I'm not sure what's going
to happen to my GOG library. It seems like CDPR would have a hard time
making old games compatible with Windows 15 if it's Linux.

Sorry about the meandering long post. This topic has gone pear-shaped for
me, I guess. I can't believe people clung to Windows 7 for so long.

But if they go Pengwin? They may have to pry the last win32/x64 OS they
make from my cold, dead hands.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten


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