Pure unadulterated awesome*.

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On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:28:41 AM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
> Pure unadulterated awesome*.
>

I really want to get it, I hear there's some way to play with
internet friends, but sounds like it needs work.

>
> *What? You expected a longer post?

Yes.

- Justisaur

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:28:37 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Pure unadulterated awesome*.

* --

I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
others I played.

I keep debating whether to get a refund but probably too late now any
way.

-pw

On 8/11/2023 9:28 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
> Pure unadulterated awesome*.
>

It's what I've been waiting for since EA in 2020 and it's crpg Nirvana
for a character development wonk like me.Worth every penny!

D.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:28:37 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Pure unadulterated awesome*.

That is pretty much what I have been watching and reading about this
game. RPG of the year. Game of the year. That kind of thing.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
>remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
>others I played.

The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
much at all in the way of cutscenes.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:16:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
>>remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
>>others I played.
>
>The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
>much at all in the way of cutscenes.

*--

Everything is so "big", if you know what I mean. Not qauint like the
old diablos and other rpgs.

And I don't get the D&D rules any more. Dice rolls,... Forgotten so
much.

Thanks,

-pw

On 12/08/2023 19:16, Mike S. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
>> remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
>> others I played.
>
> The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
> much at all in the way of cutscenes.

I'm not a fan of cut scenes myself and far prefer the HL:1 solution of
having them but they are 'in-game'.

On 12/08/2023 12:46, DMP wrote:
> On 8/11/2023 9:28 AM, Zaghadka wrote:
>> Pure unadulterated awesome*.
>>
>
> It's what I've been waiting for since EA in 2020 and it's crpg Nirvana
> for a character development wonk like me.Worth every penny!
>

I see why people like character development but I can't say it's
something I get excited by. That's probably why I end up taking the
difficultly level down a level at some point in the game!

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 18:22:10 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:16:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
>><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
>>>remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
>>>others I played.
>>
>>The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
>>much at all in the way of cutscenes.
>
>*--
>
>Everything is so "big", if you know what I mean. Not qauint like the
>old diablos and other rpgs.

I haven't played BG3 yet, but that is one of the things holding me
back.

One of the features I most adored about the original "Baldur's Gate"
was how well it translated the feel of the tabletop game to the PC. It
was easy to imagine playing the same game on the computer screen with
a bunch of friends rolling actual dice, leading a bunch of low-level
nobodies through a series of adventures.

But as computers became more powerful, video games could become more
cinematic, and gameplay became much more bombastic. Tabletop games had
to follow suite. The amount of magic being flung around, and the
consequences of the adventures, became dramatically higher, and the
pacing was increased to keep the adrenalin pumping.

Which, I suppose, is fine... but it's not to my taste. I always
preferred a lower-key sword-n-sorcery style, more focused on the
individual rather than dramatic world-shaking events.

"Baldurs Gate 3" - from what I've seen of it - unfortunately follows
the latter trend: there's big magic everywhere, and grandiose
consequences to every adventure. I'm sure its fun - and eventually
I'll play it and probably enjoy myself doing so - but it's not the
sort of game I'm rushing out to play.

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 5:22:13 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:16:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mik...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
> ><iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
> >>remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
> >>others I played.
> >
> >The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
> >much at all in the way of cutscenes.
> *--
>
> Everything is so "big", if you know what I mean. Not qauint like the
> old diablos and other rpgs.
>
> And I don't get the D&D rules any more. Dice rolls,... Forgotten so
> much.

They've been changed quite a bit, especially character building
(which wasn't really even a thing originally) even from 3e, let alone
the TSR days. Generally not for the better IMHO.

- Justisaur

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:34:45 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
> But as computers became more powerful, video games could become more
> cinematic, and gameplay became much more bombastic. Tabletop games had
> to follow suite. The amount of magic being flung around, and the
> consequences of the adventures, became dramatically higher, and the
> pacing was increased to keep the adrenalin pumping.

Strong disagree there, the pacing is horrible and slow compared to the old
days, the rest is mostly true. Fucking bored stiff playing it live. The problem
is they took the wrong lessons from computer games, made fights frequent
and last long with repetitive spells among many other things. 5e's probably
a lot better done by computer as it can handle all the fiddly bits that slow
down a table top game, and it doesn't a couple hours for each encounter.

- Justisaur

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 08:34:34 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 18:22:10 -0600, PW
><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:16:29 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 21:14:33 -0600, PW
>>><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't like it at all so far. It is basically a movie. Not what I
>>>>remember from the earliler ones. It is like the last Marvel game and
>>>>others I played.
>>>
>>>The previous games had their fair share of text and dialog but not
>>>much at all in the way of cutscenes.
>>
>>*--
>>
>>Everything is so "big", if you know what I mean. Not qauint like the
>>old diablos and other rpgs.
>
>I haven't played BG3 yet, but that is one of the things holding me
>back.
>
>One of the features I most adored about the original "Baldur's Gate"
>was how well it translated the feel of the tabletop game to the PC. It
>was easy to imagine playing the same game on the computer screen with
>a bunch of friends rolling actual dice, leading a bunch of low-level
>nobodies through a series of adventures.
>

Agreed Spalls!

-pw

On 13/08/2023 16:43, Justisaur wrote:
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:34:45 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>
>> But as computers became more powerful, video games could become more
>> cinematic, and gameplay became much more bombastic. Tabletop games had
>> to follow suite. The amount of magic being flung around, and the
>> consequences of the adventures, became dramatically higher, and the
>> pacing was increased to keep the adrenalin pumping.
>
> Strong disagree there, the pacing is horrible and slow compared to the old
> days, the rest is mostly true. Fucking bored stiff playing it live. The problem
> is they took the wrong lessons from computer games, made fights frequent
> and last long with repetitive spells among many other things. 5e's probably
> a lot better done by computer as it can handle all the fiddly bits that slow
> down a table top game, and it doesn't a couple hours for each encounter.
>

I've not played 5e but from what I understand it's a lot more rule bound
that when I played AD&D. Saying that there was quite a bit of crunch in
AD&D but our group just generally ignored those parts.

Am 11.08.23 um 15:28 schrieb Zaghadka:
> Pure unadulterated awesome*.
>
yes

On 14/08/2023 22:07, Werner P. wrote:
> Am 11.08.23 um 15:28 schrieb Zaghadka:
>> Pure unadulterated awesome*.
>>
> yes

Glad you're enjoying it, I still haven't pressed that buy button as I'm
not sure that I'm going to get on with the high fantasy setting.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:41:45 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>Glad you're enjoying it, I still haven't pressed that buy button as I'm
>not sure that I'm going to get on with the high fantasy setting.

I have mixed feeling about getting it.

On the one hand, I am a huge fan of the first two games. I always have
them installed and ready to go. I also know this game is getting
extremely high praise across the board. All of this is telling me to
BUY BUY BUY.

On the other hand, I think the game isn't going to play or feel like
the older games which is a negative for me.

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On the other hand, I think the game isn't going to play or feel like
>the older games which is a negative for me.

From the sounds of things, aside from the setting, Baldur's Gate 3 is
more like Divinity: Origin Sin 2 than the first two Baldur's Gate games.
Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, the first two games had
thier share of problems that needed to be fixed, like the relatively
slow pace of the first, and how the D&D system didn't scale well to the
player levels used in the second.

--
l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
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db //

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:17:19 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:

>From the sounds of things, aside from the setting, Baldur's Gate 3 is
>more like Divinity: Origin Sin 2 than the first two Baldur's Gate games.
>Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing

It might not be a bad thing for me, I really am not sure. I never
played the Divinity games. I am probably going to end up getting BG3
and hope I like it as much as everyone seems to be. If I do like it,
then I am guessing I will enjoy the two Divinity games as well.

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM UTC-7, Mike S. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:17:19 -0000 (UTC), rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
>
> >From the sounds of things, aside from the setting, Baldur's Gate 3 is
> >more like Divinity: Origin Sin 2 than the first two Baldur's Gate games.
> >Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing
> It might not be a bad thing for me, I really am not sure. I never
> played the Divinity games. I am probably going to end up getting BG3
> and hope I like it as much as everyone seems to be. If I do like it,
> then I am guessing I will enjoy the two Divinity games as well.

I just started up Witcher 3 a couple days ago (only went through the
tutorial a bit ago) I'm really enjoying it so far, so much better than
1 or 2, but my god is it huge, and it seems like it has some replayability.
I'll probably pick up BG3 as soon as I finish. There seems to be ways
around the annoying bits people mentioned.

I'm still warry, but if even youts can get used to the TB combat,
I certainly can again.

Anyone playing it, does it have over the top party members like
Minsc?

- Justisaur

On 15/08/2023 13:59, Mike S. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:41:45 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> Glad you're enjoying it, I still haven't pressed that buy button as I'm
>> not sure that I'm going to get on with the high fantasy setting.
>
> I have mixed feeling about getting it.
>
> On the one hand, I am a huge fan of the first two games. I always have
> them installed and ready to go. I also know this game is getting
> extremely high praise across the board. All of this is telling me to
> BUY BUY BUY.
>
> On the other hand, I think the game isn't going to play or feel like
> the older games which is a negative for me.

BG:1 was always my favourite so I have similar reservations to you
considering not only who the devs are but also the direction DnD has
gone to you're the hero.

On 8/15/2023 3:30 PM, Justisaur wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM UTC-7, Mike S. wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:17:19 -0000 (UTC), rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
>> (Ross Ridge) wrote:
>>
>> >From the sounds of things, aside from the setting, Baldur's Gate 3 is
>>> more like Divinity: Origin Sin 2 than the first two Baldur's Gate games.
>>> Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing
>> It might not be a bad thing for me, I really am not sure. I never
>> played the Divinity games. I am probably going to end up getting BG3
>> and hope I like it as much as everyone seems to be. If I do like it,
>> then I am guessing I will enjoy the two Divinity games as well.
>
> I just started up Witcher 3 a couple days ago (only went through the
> tutorial a bit ago) I'm really enjoying it so far, so much better than
> 1 or 2, but my god is it huge, and it seems like it has some replayability.
> I'll probably pick up BG3 as soon as I finish. There seems to be ways
> around the annoying bits people mentioned.
>
> I'm still warry, but if even youts can get used to the TB combat,
> I certainly can again.
>
> Anyone playing it, does it have over the top party members like
> Minsc?
>
> - Justisaur

Minsc & Boo & Jaheira, and a drow named Minthara. You can play the
"Origin" characters and one Called "The Dark Urge"(over the top) or
custom create your own.

D.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:59:27 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Mike
S. wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:41:45 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>>Glad you're enjoying it, I still haven't pressed that buy button as I'm
>>not sure that I'm going to get on with the high fantasy setting.
>
>I have mixed feeling about getting it.
>
>On the one hand, I am a huge fan of the first two games. I always have
>them installed and ready to go. I also know this game is getting
>extremely high praise across the board. All of this is telling me to
>BUY BUY BUY.
>
>On the other hand, I think the game isn't going to play or feel like
>the older games which is a negative for me.

It absolutely DOES NOT. It plays much more like a polished Divinity:
Original Sin.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>It might not be a bad thing for me, I really am not sure. I never
>played the Divinity games. I am probably going to end up getting BG3
>and hope I like it as much as everyone seems to be. If I do like it,
>then I am guessing I will enjoy the two Divinity games as well.

Note that there's actually 6 Divinity games:

- Divine Divinity - Single-character, top-down view. Like Diablo
but less twitchy and with a lot more story.
- Beyond Divinity - Same as the first game, but didn't get as
good reviews here.
- Divinity II - Single-character, third-person view.
- Divinity: Dragon Commander - Some sort of hybrid strategy game
- Divinity: Original Sin - Multiple-characters, top-down view.
- Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Multiple-characters, top-down view.

Only the last two games are like Baldur's Gate.

--
l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
[oo][oo] rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
-()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca:11068/
db //

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:47:57 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:

>Note that there's actually 6 Divinity games:
>
> - Divine Divinity - Single-character, top-down view. Like Diablo
> but less twitchy and with a lot more story.
> - Beyond Divinity - Same as the first game, but didn't get as
> good reviews here.
> - Divinity II - Single-character, third-person view.
> - Divinity: Dragon Commander - Some sort of hybrid strategy game
> - Divinity: Original Sin - Multiple-characters, top-down view.
> - Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Multiple-characters, top-down view.
>
>Only the last two games are like Baldur's Gate.

Thank you for the list. I was aware of the first two and the last two
in your list only.