Am 29.09.23 um 22:00 schrieb Frankie:
> On 29/9/2023, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>>>>> All the settings people are suggesting don't have any effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> How did YOU get rid of all those Firefox entries once and for all?
>>>>
>>>> In the security and privacy section of FF. Delete history when closing FF.
>>>
>>> Do you see the problem on your Windows Firefox taskbar pinned icon or not?
>>
>> I do not use such crappy OSs. But this is not relevant because FF reacts
>> the same for all OSs.
>
> Why did you respond then when you had nothing to offer?

Where is you contribution in this thread? Not seen anything from you so far.

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Am 29.09.23 um 22:00 schrieb Frankie:
> On 29/9/2023, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>>>>> All the settings people are suggesting don't have any effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> How did YOU get rid of all those Firefox entries once and for all?
>>>>
>>>> In the security and privacy section of FF. Delete history when closing FF.
>>>
>>> Do you see the problem on your Windows Firefox taskbar pinned icon or not?
>>
>> I do not use such crappy OSs. But this is not relevant because FF reacts
>> the same for all OSs.
>
> Why did you respond then when you had nothing to offer?

BTW:

Only antisocial Trolls post over such anonymous idiot-servers:

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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Are those PDFs being downloaded speculatively to get the Web page to
> load faster? When that happens, are they downloaded into a temporary
> directory?

I don't know what you mean in this context by "speculatively", but I do
have my Firefox always set up to NEVER open anything "special" itself.
https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg

> I am aware that in order to display a PDF in Firefox, it's download
> first to a temporary directory then displayed. Therefore I have it set
> to save PDFs. If I want one, I manually download it to avoid the
> download into the temporary directory of the ones I don't want.
>
> about:preferences > General > Applications > PDF > Save File

The only files Firefox can open up without asking are images & videos.
Nothing else.

I suspect everyone does this because it's the right thing to do.
From a safety standpoint and from a utility standpoint it is.

You only need to tell Firefox to open the correct app for each file type.
For PDF files, it will be a bona fide PDF reader or writer application.

Why deal with the limits and security implications of opening all the file
types in a web browser which can't do the file type its proper justice.
> Is there an indexing process in the temporary directory taking place
> which is the reason why these file names display in the jump list? Isn't
> there a way to tell Windows 10 not to index certain directories? I'm
> guessing that's what the underlying issue is.
>
> I'm not using Windows 10, just Windows 8.1.

I don't know how to answer this last question because I only know that I
don't want every file I've ever downloaded showing up in that jump list.

1. The problem set https://i.postimg.cc/9FVPvH6M/Clipboard.jpg
2. It's not Firefox settings https://i.postimg.cc/JzSXdS5M/Clipboard01.jpg
3. It's not Firefox history https://i.postimg.cc/65rB6q9d/Clipboard02.jpg
4. It's the Jump List! https://i.postimg.cc/FH4Fftcn/Clipboard03.jpg
5. Turn that sucker off! https://i.postimg.cc/NjMJkF1y/Clipboard04.jpg
6. Turn everything off! https://i.postimg.cc/wjrJvLy7/Clipboard05.jpg
7. Open images/videos only https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg

I'm using Windows 10.

Peter wrote:

> Paul's shows mostly files. Yours shows mostly web sites. Mine shows
> mostly PDFs.

I'm on Win11

I don't use the FF internal PDF viewer, or Acrobat Reader, I use
SumatraPDF, 488 out of 651 files in my download folder are .PDFs

90% of what this machine does is web and email, using FF and TB

Some libreoffice, sketchup, orca slicer, vscode, gimp, jupyterlab

Peter <confused@nospam.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Are those PDFs being downloaded speculatively to get the Web page to
>>load faster? When that happens, are they downloaded into a temporary
>>directory?

>I don't know what you mean in this context by "speculatively", but I do
>have my Firefox always set up to NEVER open anything "special" itself.
>https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg

It appears that your operating system logged an instance of having
opened or downloaded that long list of PDFs that you hadn't opened
manually. I'm guessing that a background process within Firefox
downloaded certain PDFs that appeared on Web pages you viewed into a
temporary directory on your host speculating that you might wish to view
them later.

A Web page includes lots of files and media that the user isn't aware
of and doesn't view manually. Much of the Web page gets downloaded into
a temporary directory, including the files and media, in case you end
up wanting to view this stuff later or scroll to that part of the Web
page. It makes it appear to the user that the Web page loaded more
quickly because so much activity has taken place in background before the
user views it.

I'm guessing that the operating system notes that this is happening. It
logs some of these as recently viewed files including files that you had
not manually opened later because they were loaded with the Web page.

It's my understanding of the way Firefox works is that a PDF is
speculatively downloaded if the Action setting is Open in Firefox or
Always Ask, but Save File prevents the speculative downloading.

>>I am aware that in order to display a PDF in Firefox, it's download
>>first to a temporary directory then displayed. Therefore I have it set
>>to save PDFs. If I want one, I manually download it to avoid the
>>download into the temporary directory of the ones I don't want.

>>about:preferences >General > Applications > PDF > Save File

>The only files Firefox can open up without asking are images & videos.
>Nothing else.

>I suspect everyone does this because it's the right thing to do.
>From a safety standpoint and from a utility standpoint it is.

>You only need to tell Firefox to open the correct app for each file type.
>For PDF files, it will be a bona fide PDF reader or writer application.

>Why deal with the limits and security implications of opening all the file
>types in a web browser which can't do the file type its proper justice.

I agree. That's why I use the Save File setting where appropriate. For
any number of file types, I don't want to open the file in Firefox even
if Firefox is calling an outside application to do so.

>>Is there an indexing process in the temporary directory taking place
>>which is the reason why these file names display in the jump list? Isn't
>>there a way to tell Windows 10 not to index certain directories? I'm
>>guessing that's what the underlying issue is.

>>I'm not using Windows 10, just Windows 8.1.

>I don't know how to answer this last question because I only know that I
>don't want every file I've ever downloaded showing up in that jump list.

>1. The problem set https://i.postimg.cc/9FVPvH6M/Clipboard.jpg
>2. It's not Firefox settings https://i.postimg.cc/JzSXdS5M/Clipboard01.jpg
>3. It's not Firefox history https://i.postimg.cc/65rB6q9d/Clipboard02.jpg
>4. It's the Jump List! https://i.postimg.cc/FH4Fftcn/Clipboard03.jpg
>5. Turn that sucker off! https://i.postimg.cc/NjMJkF1y/Clipboard04.jpg
>6. Turn everything off! https://i.postimg.cc/wjrJvLy7/Clipboard05.jpg
>7. Open images/videos only https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg

>I'm using Windows 10.

In Windows 8.1, if I allow file indexing, I can control which
directories are indexed. I think there's a separate indexing process
that creates the Recently Viewed file list and the process that pins
recently viewed files to the start menu/taskbar.

In Windows 10, which I don't use, there may be a compromise setting
between turning off indexing files that you won't look at again and
indexing such files to maintain a list of a more reasonable length.

If there's still a Recently Viewed directory in Window 10 like 8.1, a
long list of shortcuts, you could rename it to see if this is the basis
for those lists of files that you see, or if it's an entirely separate
indexing process.

Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>Am 29.09.23 um 22:00 schrieb Frankie:
>>On 29/9/2023, Jorg Lorenz wrote:

>>>>>>All the settings people are suggesting don't have any effect.

>>>>>>How did YOU get rid of all those Firefox entries once and for all?

>>>>>In the security and privacy section of FF. Delete history when closing FF.

>>>>Do you see the problem on your Windows Firefox taskbar pinned icon or not?

>>>I do not use such crappy OSs. But this is not relevant because FF reacts
>>>the same for all OSs.

>>Why did you respond then when you had nothing to offer?

>BTW:

>Only antisocial Trolls post over such anonymous idiot-servers:

>Injection-Info: neodome.net; mail-complaints-to="abuse@neodome.net"

You are the one who fed the troll. The troll didn't make you feed him by
posting a followup. You always have the option of restraining yourself,
sitting on your hands and shutting the fuck up.

Every single followup from you includes whining and complaing. When you
complain about an antisocial poster, you complain about yourself. You
can control your own lousy personality but you can't control others.

On 9/30/2023 10:24 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Peter <confused@nospam.net> wrote:
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Are those PDFs being downloaded speculatively to get the Web page to
>>> load faster? When that happens, are they downloaded into a temporary
>>> directory?
>
>> I don't know what you mean in this context by "speculatively", but I do
>> have my Firefox always set up to NEVER open anything "special" itself.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg
>
> It appears that your operating system logged an instance of having
> opened or downloaded that long list of PDFs that you hadn't opened
> manually. I'm guessing that a background process within Firefox
> downloaded certain PDFs that appeared on Web pages you viewed into a
> temporary directory on your host speculating that you might wish to view
> them later.
>
> A Web page includes lots of files and media that the user isn't aware
> of and doesn't view manually. Much of the Web page gets downloaded into
> a temporary directory, including the files and media, in case you end
> up wanting to view this stuff later or scroll to that part of the Web
> page. It makes it appear to the user that the Web page loaded more
> quickly because so much activity has taken place in background before the
> user views it.
>
> I'm guessing that the operating system notes that this is happening. It
> logs some of these as recently viewed files including files that you had
> not manually opened later because they were loaded with the Web page.
>
> It's my understanding of the way Firefox works is that a PDF is
> speculatively downloaded if the Action setting is Open in Firefox or
> Always Ask, but Save File prevents the speculative downloading.
>
>>> I am aware that in order to display a PDF in Firefox, it's download
>>> first to a temporary directory then displayed. Therefore I have it set
>>> to save PDFs. If I want one, I manually download it to avoid the
>>> download into the temporary directory of the ones I don't want.
>
>>> about:preferences >General > Applications > PDF > Save File
>
>> The only files Firefox can open up without asking are images & videos.
>> Nothing else.
>
>> I suspect everyone does this because it's the right thing to do.
>>From a safety standpoint and from a utility standpoint it is.
>
>> You only need to tell Firefox to open the correct app for each file type.
>> For PDF files, it will be a bona fide PDF reader or writer application.
>
>> Why deal with the limits and security implications of opening all the file
>> types in a web browser which can't do the file type its proper justice.
>
> I agree. That's why I use the Save File setting where appropriate. For
> any number of file types, I don't want to open the file in Firefox even
> if Firefox is calling an outside application to do so.
>
>>> Is there an indexing process in the temporary directory taking place
>>> which is the reason why these file names display in the jump list? Isn't
>>> there a way to tell Windows 10 not to index certain directories? I'm
>>> guessing that's what the underlying issue is.
>
>>> I'm not using Windows 10, just Windows 8.1.
>
>> I don't know how to answer this last question because I only know that I
>> don't want every file I've ever downloaded showing up in that jump list.
>
>> 1. The problem set https://i.postimg.cc/9FVPvH6M/Clipboard.jpg
>> 2. It's not Firefox settings https://i.postimg.cc/JzSXdS5M/Clipboard01.jpg
>> 3. It's not Firefox history https://i.postimg.cc/65rB6q9d/Clipboard02.jpg
>> 4. It's the Jump List! https://i.postimg.cc/FH4Fftcn/Clipboard03.jpg
>> 5. Turn that sucker off! https://i.postimg.cc/NjMJkF1y/Clipboard04.jpg
>> 6. Turn everything off! https://i.postimg.cc/wjrJvLy7/Clipboard05.jpg
>> 7. Open images/videos only https://i.postimg.cc/65swZqZr/Clipboard06.jpg
>
>> I'm using Windows 10.
>
> In Windows 8.1, if I allow file indexing, I can control which
> directories are indexed. I think there's a separate indexing process
> that creates the Recently Viewed file list and the process that pins
> recently viewed files to the start menu/taskbar.
>
> In Windows 10, which I don't use, there may be a compromise setting
> between turning off indexing files that you won't look at again and
> indexing such files to maintain a list of a more reasonable length.
>
> If there's still a Recently Viewed directory in Window 10 like 8.1, a
> long list of shortcuts, you could rename it to see if this is the basis
> for those lists of files that you see, or if it's an entirely separate
> indexing process.
>

Federated Search on Windows, is best left alone. I have a test setup
on the other machine, 1 million files indexed by the indexer, and the
time to produce a search result varies from five seconds to sixty seconds.

It would take a hundred lines of posting, to explain how to tune it,
and even when tuned, it's not a wonder-pony. It has pathological behavior,
that interacts with how you use the machine (your searches slow down,
if you force the thing to re-index areas with new files).

*******

There are third party tools for search.

There is Voidtools Everything.exe and Mythic Software Agent Ransack (free version).

If you use an SSD instead of a Hard Drive, that completes the set
and gives you something useful.

Paul