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* Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this yearrbowman
+* Re: Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this Chris Ahlstrom
|+- Re: Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?!Joel
|`- Re: Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?!vallor
`* Re: Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this RabidPedagog
 `* Re: Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this candycanearter07
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     +- Re: Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots beginning later this candycanearter07
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 by: rbowman - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 05:00 UTC

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/

Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.

Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
shut down due to a automatic update.

This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
not holding my breathe.

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From: OFeem1987@teleworm.us (Chris Ahlstrom)
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Subject: Re: Windows security updates could come with fewer reboots
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 by: Chris Ahlstrom - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:45 UTC

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>
> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>
> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
> shut down due to a automatic update.
>
> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
> not holding my breathe.

It takes much longer to install Visual Studio than to install a complete
functioning Linux distro with all the development tools, office tools, etc. you
could ever want.

--
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"--a strange complaint to come from
the mouths of people who have had to live.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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 by: RabidPedagog - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:38 UTC

On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>
> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>
> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
> shut down due to a automatic update.
>
> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
> not holding my breathe.

I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.

--
RabidPedagog

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From: candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid (candycanearter07)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:30 UTC

On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>
>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>
>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>
>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>> not holding my breathe.
>
> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.

It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Re: Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?!

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Subject: Re: Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?!
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 by: Joel - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:50 UTC

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?! That's what I want to know.

I like to run the latest released software, not cling to an old
version.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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 by: RabidPedagog - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:35 UTC

On 2024-02-27 9:30 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>>
>>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>>
>>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>>
>>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>>> not holding my breathe.
>>
>> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
>> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
>> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.
>
> It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, they're not likely to develop something which more advanced users
might enjoy using. If it's not point and click, Microsoft has little
interest in it. However, considering how much work they put into
PowerTools, you would expect them to try harder with the simpler
commands used in a Command Prompt session.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 05:05:28 -0800 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Feb.27--5.05am.Seattle.2024>:

> Who's paying you morons to update all the time ?! That's what I want to
> know.

You didn't specify an OS.

Are you talking about Linux updates? They don't get
in the way and are fairly painless.

Try and say that about Windows updates...

--
-v

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On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 9:30 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>>>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>>>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>>>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>>>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>>>
>>>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>>>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>>>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>>>
>>>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>>>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>>>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>>>> not holding my breathe.
>>>
>>> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
>>> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
>>> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.
>>
>> It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.
>
> Yeah, they're not likely to develop something which more advanced users
> might enjoy using. If it's not point and click, Microsoft has little
> interest in it. However, considering how much work they put into
> PowerTools, you would expect them to try harder with the simpler
> commands used in a Command Prompt session.

Well, they're pushing Powershell way harder nowadays.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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 by: RabidPedagog - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:14 UTC

On 2024-02-27 12:55 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27 9:30 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>>>>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>>>>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>>>>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>>>>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>>>>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>>>>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>>>>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>>>>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>>>>> not holding my breathe.
>>>>
>>>> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
>>>> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
>>>> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.
>>>
>>> It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.
>>
>> Yeah, they're not likely to develop something which more advanced users
>> might enjoy using. If it's not point and click, Microsoft has little
>> interest in it. However, considering how much work they put into
>> PowerTools, you would expect them to try harder with the simpler
>> commands used in a Command Prompt session.
>
> Well, they're pushing Powershell way harder nowadays.

Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.

--
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RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-27 12:55 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 9:30 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>>>>>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>>>>>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>>>>>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>>>>>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>>>>>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>>>>>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>>>>>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>>>>>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>>>>>> not holding my breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
>>>>> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
>>>>> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.
>>>>
>>>> It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they're not likely to develop something which more advanced users
>>> might enjoy using. If it's not point and click, Microsoft has little
>>> interest in it. However, considering how much work they put into
>>> PowerTools, you would expect them to try harder with the simpler
>>> commands used in a Command Prompt session.
>>
>> Well, they're pushing Powershell way harder nowadays.
>
> Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.

It is quite powerful, but I find the verb-noun format a bit stilted. I still
prefer BAT files, they do all I've ever needed.

Well, almost. That's why I install Git Bash on Windows.

--
A morgue is a morgue is a morgue. They can paint the walls with aggressively
cheerful primary colors and splashy bold graphics, but it's still a holding
place for the dead until they can be parted out to organ banks. Not that I
would have cared normally but my viewpoint was skewed. The relentless
pleasance of the room I sat in seemed only grotesque.
-- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

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On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-27 12:55 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-27 9:30 a.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-27, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-27 12:00 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-security-updates-could-
>>>>>> come-with-fewer-reboots-beginning-later-this-year/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible? Microsoft finally figured out how to patch software
>>>>>> without endless reboots? My Fedora box installs or upgrades packages
>>>>>> almost every day. The Ubuntu box does so less frequently but neither
>>>>>> require a reboot nor does my Debian box at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like the article says what could be better than logging into a Windows box
>>>>>> in the morning to find everything you were working on the night before was
>>>>>> shut down due to a automatic update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the behavior I find most annoying about Windows and it would be a
>>>>>> big step forward if MS finally fixes it. Who knows? They may even be able
>>>>>> to patch Visual Studio 2022 without requiring a 2.2 GB download but I'm
>>>>>> not holding my breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love for them to allow for updates to be done from the command
>>>>> line. I usually install or upgrade my software using winget and I find
>>>>> it to be a lot safer, faster and more efficient than the traditional way.
>>>>
>>>> It's MS, so I'm not holding my breath.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they're not likely to develop something which more advanced users
>>> might enjoy using. If it's not point and click, Microsoft has little
>>> interest in it. However, considering how much work they put into
>>> PowerTools, you would expect them to try harder with the simpler
>>> commands used in a Command Prompt session.
>>
>> Well, they're pushing Powershell way harder nowadays.
>
> Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.

I 100% agree, it just feels too different in syntax to cmd or bash.
The weird command structure and terrible color palette doesn't help
either.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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On 2/27/2024 1:14 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.

Do you actually know enough about it to form that opinion?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/learn/ps101/00-introduction?view=powershell-7.4

Overall it's a clunky language, but very powerful.

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On 2/27/2024 1:14 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.

Do you actually know enough about it to form that opinion?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/learn/ps101/00-introduction?view=powershell-7.4

Overall it's a clunky language, but very powerful.

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 by: RabidPedagog - Wed, 28 Feb 2024 01:24 UTC

On 2024-02-27 4:38 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 2/27/2024 1:14 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>
>> Mayve this is an unpopular opinion but I can't stand PowerShell.
>
>
> Do you actually know enough about it to form that opinion?
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/learn/ps101/00-introduction?view=powershell-7.4
>
> Overall it's a clunky language, but very powerful.

I know it's great, I just think that it's mostly cumbersome.

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Catholic paleoconservative

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