I tried it again. I had to use F12 again to initiate the cd and I deleted
(3) 2016 mrimgs to give me enough space.

https://postimg.cc/K1FymC7C

https://postimg.cc/TLKzkxG5

Again it skipped all the procedures and went immediately into the update.
It almost finished but ran out of space again.

https://postimg.cc/v4c902kx

https://postimg.cc/47JxSmy2

https://postimg.cc/5XxKjJHd

https://postimg.cc/T5MCxv8s

https://postimg.cc/n9FTrYzK

https://postimg.cc/BXwNZFGD

Then I remembered the external hd was one of the bootable hd's and thus
has all my folders/files on it besides the mrimgs. So I want to attach it again
via cd and go in with Explorer and delete the last 2016 mrimg and as many
files as I can to free up space since they aren't needed.

I hope it works this time, but I wonder about monthly backups now

Thoughts/suggestions
Robert

I deleted the last 2016 mrimg and then went in to the User Account
and deleted as many of the folders files as I could one by one.

I then started the update; its running now,...

Robert

On 11/16/2021 9:55 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Wow, I never expected so much information!
>
> The external card readers sound interesting but I wouldn't really
> be gaining anything and I really don't want to clutter up the 780.
> The 4 ports look wild, I've never seen anything like them before.
> On second thought, it's probably best not to mess around with
> the 780.
>
> Well, it was just a thought. Actually when the 8500 is operating
> normally the wait time isn't so bad. It's when it's acting up it takes
> forever to load anything.
>
> I may find the space and all but it doesn't explain why it skipped
> over all the instructions. Should I try it again?
>
> Robert
>

Making the backup ?

I think just for the purpose of writing up
your own backup notes, it would be worthwhile
solving it.

At the same time, you can work on improving the
transfer performance. As the 8500 has USB3 and
with the right Rescue CD you should be able to
make it go faster. Quite a few of the disk
enclosures will manage 200MB/sec before they
run out of steam. And that's plenty for poor ole
Macrium. It does 125MB/sec if the wind is blowing
in the right direction.

*******

The only time I don't like add-in cards, is
when all the slots are full, and I have to
swap one card for another type, for an experiment.
That gets tired pretty quickly.

You may be able to find a cheaper add-in card for
USB3. That was just the first one I could find with
the right port setup for you.

And since the card reader used a RealTek chip, that
product offering could stand to be a bit cheaper too.
A thing like that should be $15, if these were
normal times. There are USB2 and USB3 card reader
products. You only want a USB3 one, if your cards
and cameras are the faster kind, and you have acquired
a gigantic collections of pictures. My 32GB card only
dumps at 10MB/sec and a USB2 reader (what I've got)
is fine for that. As it'll do up to 35MB/sec, if the
cards were good enough.

The next version of SD will be the interesting one.
The interface will be based on PCI Express, so the little
cards will "smoke"... if they put good flash in them.
It remains to be seen if anyone will make a really
good SD that way.

Paul

Success!

https://postimg.cc/p9WcRWK7

Its after 2AM ,..... will respond tomorrow

Robert

On 11/17/2021 5:11 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Success!
>
> https://postimg.cc/p9WcRWK7
>
> Its after 2AM ,..... will respond tomorrow
>
> Robert
>

Well, the "Explorer" icon on the lower-left in
Macrium Rescue CD screen, is your friend, and
will help with the space management. At least
to the extent a single number can help you
(like, figure out whether you'd done cleanup
recently or not).

Paul

I almost messed everything up today..

I went back in the PE environment because I wanted to take
a look at the properties of the external hd and see how much
free space I had left.

https://postimg.cc/xNSxLJ12

https://postimg.cc/0zNtGqPb

https://postimg.cc/G4SXqSmz

Unfortunately, when I removed the cd and logged off and removed
the usb cables I didn't remember to shut the external hd off when I
disconnected it's power cable!

So I reloaded the cd to check and see if there was a problem and I
got an error screen message saying it couldn't proceed because it had
been interrupted with the USB cable being pulled while it was still
active. I had a screenshot of this but for some reason none of the pictures
were on the camera memory card when I uploaded them?

Anyways, I noticed I had used the 2016 rescue disk so I decided to try
my 2018 (which is the one we have been using) and thankfully it loaded
and then I disconnected everything and this time made sure I turned the
power off! Whew that was close! I actually went back in twice because there
were no pictures. So I know it works.

Anyways, it appears I will have to delete several mrimgs for any new
mrimgs and I think a larger external hd is indicated so I can do monthly
backups. Will a larger hd fit the Startech case? What do you think of this one?

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783

Would we be able to fit inside the 8500 after cloning it to make it bootable
but actually we don't need or want it to be bootable do we? Its sole purpose
would be an external hd.

In addition, I keep getting these malwarebytes real time protection pop-up's
all the time. Is that their way of wanting me to subscribe to premium and is
there a way to turn it off?

https://postimg.cc/hXSGpp5J

Thanks,
Robert

I just noticed something else, when on eBay and
I click an item to view and I click to enlarge it
there's a circle as if still loading the picture.

I restarted the computer but its still there.

I checked the 780 and it does it on it also.
Everything else seems fine though. Is this an eBay
issue?

Robert

On 11/17/2021 5:10 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I almost messed everything up today..
>
> I went back in the PE environment because I wanted to take
> a look at the properties of the external hd and see how much
> free space I had left.
>
> https://postimg.cc/xNSxLJ12
>
> https://postimg.cc/0zNtGqPb
>
> https://postimg.cc/G4SXqSmz
>
>
> Unfortunately, when I removed the cd and logged off and removed
> the usb cables I didn't remember to shut the external hd off when I
> disconnected it's power cable!
>
> So I reloaded the cd to check and see if there was a problem and I
> got an error screen message saying it couldn't proceed because it had
> been interrupted with the USB cable being pulled while it was still
> active. I had a screenshot of this but for some reason none of the pictures
> were on the camera memory card when I uploaded them?
>
> Anyways, I noticed I had used the 2016 rescue disk so I decided to try
> my 2018 (which is the one we have been using) and thankfully it loaded
> and then I disconnected everything and this time made sure I turned the
> power off! Whew that was close! I actually went back in twice because there
> were no pictures. So I know it works.
>
> Anyways, it appears I will have to delete several mrimgs for any new
> mrimgs and I think a larger external hd is indicated so I can do monthly
> backups. Will a larger hd fit the Startech case? What do you think of this one?
>
> https://www.newegg.com/seagate-desktop-hdd-st6000dm001-6tb/p/N82E16822178783
>
> Would we be able to fit inside the 8500 after cloning it to make it bootable
> but actually we don't need or want it to be bootable do we? Its sole purpose
> would be an external hd.
>
> In addition, I keep getting these malwarebytes real time protection pop-up's
> all the time. Is that their way of wanting me to subscribe to premium and is
> there a way to turn it off?
>
> https://postimg.cc/hXSGpp5J
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

The Malwarebytes dialog label says "Trial", so it thinks it is running
in Trial mode at the moment. Would this be a function of
having been restored from a backup ?

As for the Startech case, you will have to check the advert
for the case and its model number, to see what the "max capacity" is.

They typically verify max size by testing the device. Rather
than the firmware having some limit that is well known. There
have been some pretty weird limits on enclosures at times,
leading me to question the sanity of the firmware developers :-)

So the idea is, you make an enclosure for disks, you test with
a 2TB drive. It works. The advert then says "works with 2TB drives".
OK, a year passes. Seagate makes a 4TB drive. In the lab, you plug
it in. It works! You update the advert for the product to
read "works with 4TB drives".

Does anyone go back, and test all the old products with a new
18TB drive ? Apparently not.

You have to check:

Advert
Customer reviews "I stuck a 10TB drive and it worked!"

You would need the Newegg reviews for the Startech case for that.

As for the drives, the one inch high drives are a popular
height standard.

The buying experience could be like this...

buy new 6TB drive
doesn't work in case
buy new external enclosure that does take 6TB drives

I haven't had a problem with my 6TB drives here. And that's
the largest I stock. 8TB and higher might be Helium, which
runs a bit cooler.

*******

Have you looked at the contents of what you're archiving ?

I can usually shave 200GB off mine, with some number of
hours of cleaning effort. Every little bit helps. For
some of my big files, the naming convention is like this.

mybigfile__eraseme.ext

If a file has the word "eraseme", and it is Backup Day,
then I run through the drive and erase those. These are
temporary files, only valuable for three days or so. That
is one way that I manage my "cleanup". This relies on me
knowing in advance, that the files are only temporary.

*******

I manage my space a bit, with 7ZIP compression. But I'm not
recommending that for you, as there is a lot of manual
handling that is just not worth it. It takes hours
moving stuff around, compressing and expanding stuff,
and it's more trouble than it is worth. But if you asked
"how could I store more MRIMG on my 2TB drive", that is
how you would do it. To compress every MRIMG on one of
my backup drives here, costs around $1 worth of electricity.
Just in case you were wondering whether everything
done on a computer "was free" :-) Compression costs money.
Compression is one of the few things, where the cost finally
adds up to a dollar.

The new computer is better on electricity. The compression
there costs $0.50 :-) Almost free.

Paul

On 11/18/2021 5:24 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I just noticed something else, when on eBay and
> I click an item to view and I click to enlarge it
> there's a circle as if still loading the picture.
>
> I restarted the computer but its still there.
>
> I checked the 780 and it does it on it also.
>
> Everything else seems fine though. Is this an eBay
> issue?
>
>
> Robert
>

It could be.

If you have an example to share, post it and
someone can test it.

There is a *lot* of weird behavior on web pages
these days. Like yesterday, my Seamonkey browser,
I was having trouble getting the interface to respond,
and the CPU was not railed. But, it was using
a lot of RAM, and had hit a RAM limit. Removing
known-bad (tenforums.com) tabs from the browser,
fixed that. The advertising on that site is
quite aggressive.

Paul

As far as malwarebtyes pop-up I don't know if
this is caused by the restore? I don't recall what
we did if anything last time to stop it from
popping up. Maybe we re-installed malwarebytes?
I can't remember. Maybe it will stop after the trial
ends and I re-start it again?

From what you say, I think in addition to a 5TB HD
we should also buy a new case for it just to make
sure. Could you please recommend some for the 5TB
Seagate?

I have a basic idea of what I'm archiving and I went
in the external and shaved off all I could. Also, I have
been going through the 8500 and deleting folders/files
that I don't need or use anymore.

btw with this last mrimg I decided to start numbering
them as well so it will make them easier to track and
us to refer to.

Sorry, I forgot to provide you with an example of the
circle on eBay. Here you go:

https://postimg.cc/WdBFXcFM

Isn't that strange? It was there yesterday also. I agree there
is allot of strange behavior. On news stories lately I see little
lions, bears in the corner.

Robert

I meant 6TB hd of course.

Robert

I need to keep allot of data e.g., jpeg files for my research and
study of smoking pipes which has taken 40+ years to accumulate.
So I have allot of folders and files on the subject and I need them
and to refer back to them all the time. That's mainly why the mrimg
is so big. I can't delete any of those!

Robert

I just got a pop-up for an update to Macrium
V7.3 .6391 not V8 ! So I downloaded it even
though were using the cd.

https://postimg.cc/p9nVTsZk

btw can we create a new rescue media cd so it's
more current? How do I do it?

Robert

That version was version 8! not 7.3

Well, it doesn't really matter since we use the cd
and it's version 7 but why would they label it 7.3
when it was v8?

Robert

I checked the 780 and it has v8 but also an update for it.
I decided not to download it since were doing everything
off of cd now.

Robert

On 11/18/2021 7:32 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I checked the 780 and it has v8 but also an update for it.
> I decided not to download it since were doing everything
> off of cd now.
>
> Robert
>

You restored over top of the previous C: .

In the previous C: , you installed Macrium 8.

Then, you booted the Macrium 7 CD to restore
a Macrium 7 MRIMG, containing an older C by a
few days.

In that older C, the Version 8 is no longer installed
and the version is now an older version again. Thus,
if an older version wants to update itself, it could
propose an older version or a newer version.

Paul

Understood, but what about the 780? It has V8 and the
pending update? We haven't done anything in the PE
environment there. So should I download the V8 update
or what?

It seems like it's best not to update Macrium though but
isn't it a mute point with the cd? Is there a way to turn off
updates or what's the best course of action? I'm confused
with using the the cd's and updating the online Macrium.

What about recommendations for external cases for the
6TB hd? I looked but am totally lost. I still have some
Startech cases:

https://www.newegg.com/startech-sat3510bu3-others/p/N82E16817707227

Here's some we looked at before:

https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rx304-apu3-35b/p/N82E16817182316

https://www.startech.com/en-ca/hdd/s3510bmu33

Thoughts/suggestions

Robert

On 11/18/2021 4:19 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> As far as malwarebtyes pop-up I don't know if
> this is caused by the restore? I don't recall what
> we did if anything last time to stop it from
> popping up. Maybe we re-installed malwarebytes?
> I can't remember. Maybe it will stop after the trial
> ends and I re-start it again?
>
> From what you say, I think in addition to a 5TB HD
> we should also buy a new case for it just to make
> sure. Could you please recommend some for the 5TB
> Seagate?
>
> I have a basic idea of what I'm archiving and I went
> in the external and shaved off all I could. Also, I have
> been going through the 8500 and deleting folders/files
> that I don't need or use anymore.
>
> btw with this last mrimg I decided to start numbering
> them as well so it will make them easier to track and
> us to refer to.
>
> Sorry, I forgot to provide you with an example of the
> circle on eBay. Here you go:
>
> https://postimg.cc/WdBFXcFM
>
> Isn't that strange? It was there yesterday also. I agree there
> is allot of strange behavior. On news stories lately I see little
> lions, bears in the corner.
>
> Robert

OK, I visit the Ebay.ca page, and the colored squares with Smartphone
or Laptop or Video games icons, that is known as a "Banner Carousel".

There is a button to stop the Carousel moving, in the lower right corner
of the Carousel.

If you move your mouse to the top of the Firefox window and pretend to
move the window around, and the Carousel is in "play mode", the Carousel
moves rapidly horizontally.

If you manage to put the Carousel in "stop mode", the Carousel should not
move, even if you grab the window at the top via the title bar.

The Carousel is implemented as a WAI-ARIA player. It is intended as a
form of support for blind people with screen readers. When that Carousel
is thrashing about, a blind person with a screen reader is supposed to
receive a fairly intelligent voice-over description of what the hell
is going on :-)

Now, from your point of view, the question would be, how could you disable
WAI-ARIA (Web Accessibility Initiative - Accessible Rich Internet Applications)
support on the browser, making a tiny difference to CPU load.

The white circle is a "throbber", for when the WAI-ARIA player is "busy".
Now, I caught a very brief glimpse, maybe a frame or two on my screen,
of the throbber and then it disappeared and hasn't been back.

If you open a separate Firefox window and do

about:performance

and click the More button under one of the busy pages, you can get
some idea how much of the machine is tied up with unnecessary stuff.
For example, if I open a tenforums.com tutorial web page, I have to
close it, because it sucks the life out of the computer. And presumably,
in "about:performance", I would be alerted there, as to the high usage.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Accessibility/WAI-ARIA_basics

They don't say anything about the Throbber circle though. So it must be
something else. It turns out there are an infinite number of those
throbber designs, and any yokel could borrow one and use it on a web page.
I can't be sure the carousel is doing it. In any case, click the button
on the lower right of the carousel area, and see if it stops moving.

*******

This Rosewill is out of stock (has a fan)

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/rosewill-rx-358-u3c-blk/p/N82E16817182247

The Nexstar is an option. Tested with 16TB drive.

https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/NST-387S3-BK-QIG.pdf

https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=260#tab-3

"VANTEC NexStar HX NST-387S3-BK Aluminum / ABS Plastic 3.5" Enclosure USB 3.0 With Fan" $43

https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118

Paul

On 11/18/2021 10:11 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Understood, but what about the 780? It has V8 and the
> pending update? We haven't done anything in the PE
> environment there. So should I download the V8 update
> or what?
>
> It seems like it's best not to update Macrium though but
> isn't it a mute point with the cd? Is there a way to turn off
> updates or what's the best course of action? I'm confused
> with using the the cd's and updating the online Macrium.
>
> What about recommendations for external cases for the
> 6TB hd? I looked but am totally lost. I still have some
> Startech cases:
>
> https://www.newegg.com/startech-sat3510bu3-others/p/N82E16817707227
>
> Here's some we looked at before:
>
> https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rx304-apu3-35b/p/N82E16817182316
>
> https://www.startech.com/en-ca/hdd/s3510bmu33
>
> Thoughts/suggestions
>
> Robert
>

There's a Nexstar in my previous post. The fan is 60mm and the
smaller the fan gets, the more noisy it gets.

*******

The Nexstar is an option. Tested with 16TB drive.

https://vantecusa.com/CKEdit/images/files/NST-387S3-BK-QIG.pdf

https://vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=260#tab-3

"VANTEC NexStar HX NST-387S3-BK Aluminum / ABS Plastic 3.5" Enclosure USB 3.0 With Fan" $43

https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118

*******

At first, I thought I could select a low-power drive, then select
an enclosure without a fan, but that just didn't work out. You really
have to select an enclosure first, then when the drive choices aren't
the best, you can select whatever is best without worrying about
the enclosure.

Paul

On 11/18/2021 10:11 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Understood, but what about the 780? It has V8 and the
> pending update? We haven't done anything in the PE
> environment there. So should I download the V8 update
> or what?
>
> It seems like it's best not to update Macrium though but
> isn't it a mute point with the cd? Is there a way to turn off
> updates or what's the best course of action? I'm confused
> with using the the cd's and updating the online Macrium.

The backups made with the CD, can be restored with the CD.

If the OS backup is older, like V7, then the V8 CD can
restore it. If the OS backup was ahead (in some future year)
and was V9, then the V8 CD might not restore it. But
I don't know what the official policy is of Macrium, as
their feature set hasn't changed too much for a few
releases. Full, incremental, differential, incremental_forever.

Paul

I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8
cd? I just don't want to keep dealing with online updates if were
using the cd. It doesn't seem to make any point to me
yet we have to have Macrium online correct?

Hmmm, my eBay link doesn't have anything like a carousel. I went
to eBay.ca and I still couldn't see what your describing?

https://postimg.cc/3WKHLzxM

Would it help if I gave you my normal link to ebay? Actually I have
allot of them.

I did the about:performance

https://postimg.cc/YvN3yDSV

The Vantec Necstar it is but it sounds tricky mounting it on the rails
once the drive is installed. I need a very quite fan but of course this
is only for creating mrimgs. so it won't be on all the time. I couldn't
handle that. That's why I use Seagate hd's and they've proven to be
very reliable..

Robert

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:02:09 PM UTC-8, Robert in CA wrote:
> I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
> the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
> as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
> pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
> or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8

I meant 'every time we do a backup' of course.

Robert

On 11/19/2021 12:02 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> I just realized that the next time I do mrimg backups I'll be using
> the cd on the 780 and it will change Macrium back to version 7
> as you described but sooner or later it will have another update
> pop-up again, do I just ignore it? or do we just keep resetting V8
> or V9 back to V7 every time we restore. or should we create a v8
> cd? I just don't want to keep dealing with online updates if were
> using the cd. It doesn't seem to make any point to me
> yet we have to have Macrium online correct?
>
> Hmmm, my eBay link doesn't have anything like a carousel. I went
> to eBay.ca and I still couldn't see what your describing?
>
> https://postimg.cc/3WKHLzxM
>
> Would it help if I gave you my normal link to ebay? Actually I have
> allot of them.
>
> I did the about:performance
>
> https://postimg.cc/YvN3yDSV
>
> The Vantec Necstar it is but it sounds tricky mounting it on the rails
> once the drive is installed. I need a very quite fan but of course this
> is only for creating mrimgs. so it won't be on all the time. I couldn't
> handle that. That's why I use Seagate hd's and they've proven to be
> very reliable..
>
> Robert

The reddish-pink section of your picture, is the carousel.
The parallel bars on the right, are the "Pause" button, to tell
the carousel to stop horizontal scrolling. The thing becomes
agitated and moves more rapidly, if you attempt to access the title bar
area at the top of the browser. Using the "Pause" button, should
stop the carousel from moving, no matter where the mouse goes.
Pressing the "Pause" button a second time, allows the carousel to
continue with its antics again.

*******

You don't have to worry too much, about the version of
Macrium restored to the drive. If V7 is restored, it might
pester you to upgrade, and it's an arbitrary decision if you
do it. If the OS version is V8, then any backup it happened to
make, would work.

Any time you change versions, there is always a possibility of
some version-related issues later. You have to decide how you
want to run your operation, like standardize on a version
for best results.

I haven't been too successful with that here, as I have maybe
five CDs and I label all the backups with the version number
they were made with. This ensures I boot the correct CD on
the first try, when doing restores. I was doing the odd restore,
back when the RAM went bad on my computer. Well, now the
motherboard is dead on that thing, so the RAM no longer
is a concern :-)

Paul

I went back to ebay.ca and clicked the lower right parallel
bars and it changed it to an arrow but it didn't stop the circle.
I went back to ebay.ca and the parallel bars had returned.

This is one of my usual ebay pages and is allot different:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Estate-/4119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=sasieni&_sop=10

You can click any item and click to enlarge and see if you get the
circle on your side. Then its an eBay issue for sure even though I tested
it also on the 780 and its doing it there as well. So that makes me think
eBay itself is doing this and we can't stop it.

I thought about this and as you say each time we do a cd mrimg
it resets the online macrium back to v7 so I think it's best not to do
any Macrium updates after the mrimgs and just ignore the updates.
That way everything will be version 7, correct?

Here what I propose,.. buy the Seagate 6TB hd and the Vantec case
near the end of this month and once set up create a mrimg and also one
for the 780 which will be its first using cd and thus set it back to V7.
The new mrimgs will also establish a file path so I don't have to keep
typing it in every time. Once we have both computers back to V7 leave
them there with no macrium updates.

Since there's nothing on the 780 except the basics the mrimgs should
be pretty small and the Seagate 2TB hd should suffice. I'll check out it's
properties when we do the mrimgs and see where we are.

What do you think?
Robert

On 11/19/2021 3:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> I went back to ebay.ca and clicked the lower right parallel
> bars and it changed it to an arrow but it didn't stop the circle.
> I went back to ebay.ca and the parallel bars had returned.
>
> This is one of my usual ebay pages and is allot different:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/Estate-/4119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=sasieni&_sop=10
>
> You can click any item and click to enlarge and see if you get the
> circle on your side. Then its an eBay issue for sure even though I tested
> it also on the 780 and its doing it there as well. So that makes me think
> eBay itself is doing this and we can't stop it.
>
> I thought about this and as you say each time we do a cd mrimg
> it resets the online macrium back to v7 so I think it's best not to do
> any Macrium updates after the mrimgs and just ignore the updates.
> That way everything will be version 7, correct?
>
> Here what I propose,.. buy the Seagate 6TB hd and the Vantec case
> near the end of this month and once set up create a mrimg and also one
> for the 780 which will be its first using cd and thus set it back to V7.
> The new mrimgs will also establish a file path so I don't have to keep
> typing it in every time. Once we have both computers back to V7 leave
> them there with no macrium updates.
>
> Since there's nothing on the 780 except the basics the mrimgs should
> be pretty small and the Seagate 2TB hd should suffice. I'll check out it's
> properties when we do the mrimgs and see where we are.
>
> What do you think?
> Robert
>

That Ebay page seems to open on two different browsers here OK,
and I didn't see any circle appear. No big circle.

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Your plan for backups should work.

The backups on the 780 will be small, but the USB2
bandwidth will be small too, so it might
take a while.

I have machines here with bad USB on them.
The Mac G4 had USB 1.1 that writes at 1 megabyte per second.
Try doing a backup with that.

Paul