MR> > Where did you dig up this chestnut?
MR>
MR> i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.

Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which appear to come from any trusted news source.

MR> oh come on now. facebook being moral? that's bullshit.
MR> they did all this stuff because they cared?

Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

> Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are t
> writing lines of code like you seem to think.
>

export BERNY_SANDERS_MODE="True"

Facebooks biggest succeess, it seems, is to exist as a conventional corporation
while making everybody believe they are something else.

Facebook is a company traded in public exchanges with an absurd price-to-book
ratio. What that means is they tricked a whole lot of people into buying shares
of their company for a price way higher than the company is worth. Facebook is
a heavily overcapitalized company owned by capitalist powers who will be forced
to squeeze it dry in order to see returns for their overinvestments.

I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can take
good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work torwards the
Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no difference at a
fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers' output is taken and
used as the Capital sees fit.

Facebook may protray itself as a worker and humanist friendly organization, but
when they market themselves as a Good Entity they are just acting as somebody
who takes a turd and wraps it in colorful papers, trying it with a nice gift
ribbon. They are trying to make something awful look great by selling it as a
great thing, but at a fundamental level they are just a turd.

The saddest part is when the workers themselves get to see the colorful
gift-wrap and the ribbon and rush to attack anybody who denounces it is just a
well marketed turd. Indeed, Facebook's Capitalist masters have managed to get
the enslaved class to defend their Capitalist interests. It is the slave
defending Blackrock and Vanguard as they squeeze them dry. It is disgusting.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

> Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are
> those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their
> entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't
> these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

FWIW, I know folks who work at Facebook. That is the pitch, yes, and why most of them joined up. But most of them aren't in charge. A lot of them are *trying* to do good work there. But, the money comes from connecting people so that they stick around to generate classifying data & provide attention worth renting out to advertisers.

Not "evil boogeymen people" so much as folks paid very well to implement the company's objectives while trying to good where they can. A lot of folks I know who've stayed there think that it's a good trade to provide a communication service for "free" rather than having it only be available to folks who can afford to pay. I see their point, but don't personally think the surveilance ends up being a good trade.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am

> MR> i'm pretty sure it's been out there for quite some time.
>
> Care to find some proof? All I found was salacious articles, none of which
> appear to come from any trusted news source.

https://www.covidmoneytracker.org/

they had programs for education on covid and they partnered with twitter and facebook.
you won't find something out right as 'here's 50million dollars to ban people that say this', and they didn't need to. once they got the money they knew what to do.

>
> Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are
> those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place". Their
> entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There aren't
> these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to think.

you're just believing the hype.
look up how many times facebook/meta has been sued from multiple countries and what for.

facebook is ran by an amoral person who want's to take over everything.
their workers are mostly white, mostly male. recently their technical employees have had a huge steer towards asian males, when before it was mostly white like everything else.

60% of fb employees are outside of the usa.

i guess the avg age is 28. are these people hipsters who want to change the world and make it a better place? i dout it.

if they were really cool college kids who play foosball in their breakroom and want the world to be better, don't you think they'd hire some more fucking women atleast?
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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:

A> I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they can
A> take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work
A> torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no
A> difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and workers'
A> output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.

Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.

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Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Feb 23 2023 07:21 pm

> Hello Arelor!
>
> ** On Thursday 23.02.23 - 07:30, Arelor wrote to esc:
>
> A> I don't care how good the employees are. The power Capital has is they c
> A> take good people and abuse them and enslave them and make them work
> A> torwards the Capital's goals instead of the worker's. Facebook is no
> A> difference at a fundamental level. It is owned by the Capital and worker
> A> output is taken and used as the Capital sees fit.
>
> Sounds like what China is doing to its workers.
>
>
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That must be because China is Capitalist. If it was Communist instead, people
in China would be free and they would all smoke weed and live happy ever after
in a world full of free stuff.

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: esc to MRO on Thu Feb 23 2023 12:25 am
MR>> they did all this stuff because they cared?
es> Yes, they did. Who do you think works there? The people Facebook hires are
es> those smart college kids that want to "make the world a better place".
es> Their entire pitch and mission with recruiting is connecting people. There
es> aren't these evil boogeymen people writing lines of code like you seem to
es> think.
Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

BrokenMind

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Re: Re: ..the End of Targeted
By: Brokenmind to esc on Fri Feb 24 2023 10:13 pm

>
> Yes smart indoctrinated college kids i'm sure.... I'm not going to say they
> are all like this but for some of the stuff Facebook , Twitter , Youtube and
> other Social Media Platforms have been doing....
> all indoctrinated but i'm sure a lot of them are.

well are 28 year olds 'college kids'? I wasn't a kid when i was 28.
granted, some 28 yr olds nowadays still live with the parents which is pathetic.

i dont think the bottom workers of these social media companies drive what it does and how it does it. it's those few at the top.
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