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Re: KICQ as an "Old New I

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Subject: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
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 by: MRO - Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:52 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:06 pm

> > that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and
> > your contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.
>
> Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big
> corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or
> you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and
> requirements.

yeah, i'll do that instead of handing my life over to a company that's already been convicted in court multiple times for collecting and misusing user information.
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 by: MRO - Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:53 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

>
> Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
> app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
> telegram.org site has everything you need.

you can optionally use other versions of telegram. i dont mean old versions. i mean other clients.
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From: ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 (Ogg)
To: Arelor
Subject: Someone should make that happen..
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:05:00 -0400
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 by: Ogg - Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:05 UTC

Hello Arelor!

** On Tuesday 13.07.21 - 04:08, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

>> https://t.me/joinchat/TWCQfOZqwwOmweR1

A> Pretty much that. I find Telegram to be a superior product
A> to Whatsapp if just because it is true multiplatform and
A> you can use it both from your portable devices and your
A> workstations without any convoluted process.

The sync'ing across devices is rather interesting. I can start
tapping out a reply on my phone, and continue the message part-
way on the desktop app.

It has very efficient use of mobile data too. When there is no
activity, there is little to no data transfer (unlike Matrix or
Discord which seem to constantly poll for data).

At one point I had accidentally triggered a phone call with
someone in chat. I was connected via wifi at my shop, and the
quality was pretty darn good for the few seconds that it took
to hear the other person and apologize for the accidental call.

A> And I don't like Telegram that much.

Why not?

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Re: KICQ as an "Old New I

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To: Andeddu
Subject: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
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 by: Arelor - Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:30 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Andeddu to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:06 pm

> Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
> By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Jul 12 2021 09:36 am
>
> > that's good. you are allowing facebook to collect your information and yo
> > contact's information on all fronts with whatsapp.
>
> Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big corporati
> to consolodate your information in return for convenience, or you're stuck
> using seperate programmes for individual needs and requirements.
>

Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but works
in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides chats and
forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs their own
instances.

Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send messages
to people who uses a different email server.

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cheap 5G coverage via Starlink

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Subject: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
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 by: Arelor - Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:33 UTC

Re: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
By: Andeddu to Ogg on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:21 pm

> Re: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
> By: Ogg to Andeddu on Tue Jul 13 2021 08:58 am
>
> > Cheap is not a realistic adjective to describe Starlink. :D
>
> > I qualified for an initial rollout of the Starlink gear at my
> > home. But the upfront cost for the equipment was over $600,
> > and the ongoing monthly was well over $100 too.
>
> > There was no assurance that the equipment could be replaced
> > economically should it sustain weather/electrical damage.
> > Another $600 would be a big blow.
>
> > I dunno.. but maybe being in the rural setting as I am now,
> > doesn't need all the wizbang of high-speed internet when the
> > the peace and beauty of the rural life-style is why I prefer
> > this setting. A simple 4G phone (3G speeds) activated as a
> > moble hotspot seems to be quite enough and far less expensive
> > than a Starlink solution.
>
> Perhaps I was mislead when Musk stated that Starlink would provide cheap
> internet access to hundreds of millions of people in rural Africa.
>
> I agree, 3G is fine for 720p/540p video and basic web browsing as long as it
> stable.
>

It is the sort of thing that will be cheap when time comes.

Also, if you can set an access point in a settlement in the middle of nowhere
and grant 1 meg per user, it is a massive upgrade for people who had nothing
before.

Or, actually, a massive downgrade, because the Facebooks and Googles of this
world will now start playing with their minds for their own goals...

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Subject: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
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 by: Ogg - Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:13 UTC

Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 15.07.21 - 08:33, Arelor wrote to Andeddu:

>> By: Ogg to Andeddu on Tue Jul 13 2021 08:58 am
>>
>>> Cheap is not a realistic adjective to describe Starlink.
>>> :D

[...]

>>> There was no assurance that the equipment could be
>>> replaced economically should it sustain weather/electrical
>>> damage. Another $600 would be a big blow.

>>> I dunno.. but maybe being in the rural setting as I am
>>> now, doesn't need all the wizbang of high-speed internet
>>> when the the peace and beauty of the rural life-style is
>>> why I prefer this setting. A simple 4G phone (3G speeds)
>>> activated as a moble hotspot seems to be quite enough and
>>> far less expensive than a Starlink solution.

A> It is the sort of thing that will be cheap when time comes.

I doubt that Starlink will be marketed that way. I think its
service will be treated as a premium service and therefore
justify the high entry cost and ongoing monthly cost.

A> Also, if you can set an access point in a settlement in the
A> middle of nowhere and grant 1 meg per user, it is a massive
A> upgrade for people who had nothing before.

A> Or, actually, a massive downgrade, because the Facebooks
A> and Googles of this world will now start playing with their
A> minds for their own goals...

Probably the latter. :/

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Someone should make that happen..

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 by: Arelor - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:28 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Jul 15 2021 07:05 am

> A> And I don't like Telegram that much.
>
> Why not?

For starters, they sell themselves as a FOSS product when the server systems
are closed source. This I don't mind much but I don't like hypocrites.

Their reference desktop implementation is built on Electron, which is a
framework known for raping your RAM continuously, because it knows application
frameworks cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an authentication system.
It means the ability to sign up to the service is liked to your ability to
connect to a regular phone network or fake it, plus I don't need to have my
identity liked to a phone subscription for a service that should not be using a
phone network. I understand the reasons - for the service administrators it is
so much easier to use phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but
as a power end user it is insulting.

So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good. It certainly beats
the crap out of Whatsapp because Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a JOKE
(Telegram's suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems Telegram
does without its advantages (like propper bot support and not being related to
Facebook).

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cheap 5G coverage via Starlink

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 by: Arelor - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:37 UTC

Re: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
By: Ogg to Arelor on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:13 pm

> A> It is the sort of thing that will be cheap when time comes.
>
> I doubt that Starlink will be marketed that way. I think its
> service will be treated as a premium service and therefore
> justify the high entry cost and ongoing monthly cost.
>

Oh, sure, it will be marketed as a premium bleeding edge thing in the begining.
That is how surfacing technologies get funded in their early stages. They leech
money from early adopters in order to fund the development and first
deployments, which are the hardest.

But in 15 years, if the technology is proven stable enough to stay, you can bet
you will see prices drop as there is no need to regain the initial investment
in the network and as it needs to compete to more modern technologies.

This is the reason why I am staying away from marihuana products for my store.
A 15 ml. flask of OCB oil at a pitiful concentration is worth 60 eur to the
public, because it is early technology in Spain. The problem is that 6 months
from now this thing would be worth half of that so if I get a big shipment
(which is the only way of turning a profit nowadays) I will have to eat every
unsold unit after 6 months, or sell them at a loss.

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 by: MRO - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 07:02 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Arelor to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 03:28 am

>
> Their reference desktop implementation is built on Electron, which is a
> framework known for raping your RAM continuously, because it knows
> application frameworks cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.
>

dunno, doesnt rape my memory on my desktop.

> Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an authentication
> system. It means the ability to sign up to the service is liked to your
> ability to connect to a regular phone network or fake it, plus I don't need
> to have my identity liked to a phone subscription for a service that should
> not be using a phone network. I understand the reasons - for the service
> administrators it is so much easier to use phones as authenticators than

yeah and if you make yourself visible you still get bots msging you. or people scamming you for steam cards. i find it fun sometimes.

> So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good. It certainly beats
> the crap out of Whatsapp because Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a
> JOKE (Telegram's suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems

it seems to work fine for what it's designed for.
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 by: HusTler - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:45 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm

Og> Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
Og> app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
Og> telegram.org site has everything you need.

Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging software out there.

.... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.

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 by: Arelor - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:14 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: HusTler to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 01:45 pm

> Re: Someone should make that happen..
> By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jul 14 2021 06:02 pm
>
> Og> Once it's installed your devices, updates are built-in from the
> Og> app and you don't need to look for any other versions. The
> Og> telegram.org site has everything you need.
>
> Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram installed? Seems to m
> there's a shit load of messaging software out there.
>
> ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.
>

Yes, I am afraid Telegram is a silo. In order to talk to people in the silo you
have to enter the silo yourself.

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 by: Ogg - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:41 UTC

Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 16.07.21 - 03:28, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

A> Their reference desktop implementation is built on
A> Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
A> continuously, because it knows application frameworks
A> cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
of RAM after it loads.

A> Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
A> authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
A> for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
A> phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
A> a power end user it is insulting.

Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

A> So well, it gets the job done but it is not *that* good.
A> It certainly beats the crap out of Whatsapp because
A> Whatsapp non-mobile implementation is a JOKE (Telegram's
A> suck but it DOES work), and they have the same problems
A> Telegram does without its advantages (like propper bot
A> support and not being related to Facebook).

Telegram just seems very efficient in how it operates. I like
that.

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why I am staying away from marihuana

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 by: Ogg - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:02 UTC

Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 16.07.21 - 03:37, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

A> This is the reason why I am staying away from marihuana
A> products for my store. A 15 ml. flask of OCB oil at a
A> pitiful concentration is worth 60 eur to the public,
A> because it is early technology in Spain. The problem is
A> that 6 months from now this thing would be worth half of
A> that so if I get a big shipment (which is the only way of
A> turning a profit nowadays) I will have to eat every unsold
A> unit after 6 months, or sell them at a loss.

WHERE's the nearest next place where people can go to get some?
Why not build a clinetelle at the cost of breaking even? I do
that with some books that people want. Sometimes a book order
is at a loss, but other books make up for it.

Just from looking at one national gov't controlled outlet
(https://ocs.ca):

A 30ml bottle of CBD is only $14CDN here.

Brand Solei

THC
5.70 - 30.00 mg | 0.20 - 1.05 mg/g

CBD
255.00 - 345.00 mg | 8.95 - 12.00 mg/g

Net Weight
28.5 g

Plant Type
Sativa Dominant

Strain Name
Treasure Island

Extraction process
CO2

Terpenes
Terpenes removed

And, the most expensive 15ml of CBD is:

Emprise Canada
Legacy - Advanced Nano CBD Oil
$39.95 / bottle (that's 27 eur)
Taxes Included

Brand
Emprise Canada

THC
0.00 - 17.20 mg | 0.00 - 1.15 mg/g

CBD
285.00 - 315.00 mg | 19.00 - 21.00 mg/g

Net Weight
15.0 g

Plant Type
Blend

Extraction process
CO2

Terpenes
Beta-Caryophyllene, Beta-Myrcene, Delta-Limonene

Grow method
Indoor

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 by: Ogg - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:19 UTC

A>> Their reference desktop implementation is built on
A>> Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
A>> continuously, because it knows application frameworks
A>> cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.

O> Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
O> RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
O> of RAM after it loads.

Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.

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 by: Andeddu - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:58 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: MRO to Andeddu on Wed Jul 14 2021 09:52 pm

> > Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you allow big
> > corporations to consolodate your information in return for convenience,
> > or you're stuck using seperate programmes for individual needs and
> > requirements.
>
> yeah, i'll do that instead of handing my life over to a company that's
> already been convicted in court multiple times for collecting and misusing
> user information.

Well that's probably a wise choice. Eventually the Silicon Valley giants such
as FaceBook, Google and Twitter are going to own it all though as they're
contantly acquiring other companies and running them as subsiduries or
amalgamating them into their own brands. I don't really care for social media
though and I haven't plastered my entire life and GPS tracking data on their
websites.

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 by: Andeddu - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 19:06 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am

> Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but
> works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides chats
> and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs their
> own instances.
>
> Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send
> messages to people who uses a different email server.

I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used by
much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on a
niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use
WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not
saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the
superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the
wider population.

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Re: cheap 5G coverage via Starlink
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:33 am

> Also, if you can set an access point in a settlement in the middle of
> nowhere and grant 1 meg per user, it is a massive upgrade for people who had
> nothing before.
>
> Or, actually, a massive downgrade, because the Facebooks and Googles of this
> world will now start playing with their minds for their own goals...

He probably meant that companies such as Google and Facebook would subsidize
the cost of the equipment just to get these new people online to create a
larger consumer base and also to harvest their information.

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From: ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 (Ogg)
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 by: Ogg - Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:49 UTC

Hello HusTler!

** On Friday 16.07.21 - 13:45, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

H> Does the person I'm texting also need to have telegram
H> installed? Seems to me there's a shit load of messaging
H> software out there.

There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

And yes, the other party needs Telegram installed and
activated. But note, you are not forced to use it just on a
phone. The desktop version provides the convenience of using
your computer's keyboard. And, a recent update to the desktop
version introduced modest photo-editing *BEFORE* sending a
photo attachment. THAT is extremely handy when I want send a
screenshot and highlight a particular part of the screen by
drawing a circle or an arrow or adding a text lable or
something.

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Someone should make that happen..

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Subject: Someone should make that happen..
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 by: Arelor - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:16 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 06:41 pm

> A> Also it is liked to a phone number which I dislike as an
> A> authentication system. ... [...] I understand the reasons -
> A> for the service administrators it is so much easier to use
> A> phones as authenticators than user/password combos - but as
> A> a power end user it is insulting.
>
> Perhaps they use the phone for authentication because the app
> was originally a phone app? ...and DT version came later?

Maybe, but something I have noticed is that common users are no longer capable
of using user/password combinations at all. I am sure developers are aware of
this.

What I mean is that is is extremely common for end users to set an
user/password for some service, such as email. Then they load their access
credentials in some program or application that manages them automatically so
they never have to type them ever again. Then a catastrophe happens to device
that stored the credentials, and when they want to access the service from a
new device they discover it is user/password protected _AND THEY DIDN'T
REMEMBER IT WAS USER/PASSWORD PROTECTED AT ALL_.

So in the end of the day you get lots of phone calls from grandmas and Stoneage
Joes demanding to know "Why the service is password protected now" or just
asking for the credentials to be reset. If the service is any big the overhead
is just BRUTAL.

The simple solution is to skip the password system and use SMS verification.
It sucks for power users because power users understand there is no reason why
the provider should have your phone number at all and it is just a maneuver for
their gain and nothing else.But it helps them deal with the sheeple with less
work.

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why I am staying away from marihuana

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Subject: why I am staying away from marihuana
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 by: Arelor - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:32 UTC

Re: why I am staying away from marihuana
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:02 pm

> A> This is the reason why I am staying away from marihuana
> A> products for my store. A 15 ml. flask of OCB oil at a
> A> pitiful concentration is worth 60 eur to the public,
> A> because it is early technology in Spain. The problem is
> A> that 6 months from now this thing would be worth half of
> A> that so if I get a big shipment (which is the only way of
> A> turning a profit nowadays) I will have to eat every unsold
> A> unit after 6 months, or sell them at a loss.
>
> WHERE's the nearest next place where people can go to get some?
> Why not build a clinetelle at the cost of breaking even? I do
> that with some books that people want. Sometimes a book order
> is at a loss, but other books make up for it.
>

Most of my customers are not generated organically. They are forwarded to me by
doctors. Doctors are unlikely to recomend OCBs because if the patient is not in
a very bad shape there are cheap useful alternatives for their problems; if the
patient is really bad then OCB is going to do nothing and the patient is going
to need something stronger.

Loyalty is dead here. There is not such a thing as working at a loss or break
even point in the hopes of generating regular customers. Everybody is going to
backstab you because somebody else sells soap 3 cents cheaper regardless of any
added value you provide - improved delivery times, for example. It cuts both
ways too and you can often undercut somebody else for 10 cents and steal his
customers for the month. However, there is no making a huge sacrifice in order
to provide a service for somebody, because that somebody will backstab you next
week for a 1% discount somewhere else.

It pisses me off big time because I used to be the stupid guy who kept loyal to
his regular stores. However, life is like the Brass board game: if you buy
shipping contracts from other player (so to speak) and the other player does
nothing for you in the game, you are going to end up broke. So nowadays I am
only a customer to my customers within reasonable limits. Everything else I
buy the cheapest, often from classified ads or non-woke affiliated -ecommerce.

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Someone should make that happen..

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Subject: Someone should make that happen..
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 by: Arelor - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:39 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:19 pm

> A>> Their reference desktop implementation is built on
> A>> Electron, which is a framework known for raping your RAM
> A>> continuously, because it knows application frameworks
> A>> cannot be thrown into jail for their evil deeds.
>
> O> Ok.. I dunno what Electron is. I might look it up. But wrt
> O> RAM, the DT version on my XP laptop only uses up an extra 200KB
> O> of RAM after it loads.
>
> Ooops. Make that 200MB, not 200KB.

Electron is an abomination so alien to the laws of logic than even Yog-Sothoth
The Lurker of the Gate regards it as a monstruosity.

Essentially it is a framework for making programs, which works by loading into
memory what can only be described as most of the Chromium web browser to run
whatever program you intend to execute.

Basically it is used for distributing pseudo-web applications within a capsule
so you can run them as if they were desktop applications.

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Re: KICQ as an "Old New I

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Subject: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
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 by: Arelor - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:53 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Andeddu to Arelor on Sat Jul 17 2021 03:06 am

> Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
> By: Arelor to Andeddu on Thu Jul 15 2021 08:30 am
>
> > Or you use a program that incorporates all the functionality you need but
> > works in a federated manned. Something like Retroshare, which provides ch
> > and forums, videos and filesharing and what else, but each user runs thei
> > own instances.
>
> > Think of email, in which you have your own email server but may send
> > messages to people who uses a different email server.
>
> I am sure is great and all but for something to be viable it has to be used
> much of the population. I could probably have a small cluster of friends on
> niche application such as Retroshare but then I would still have to use
> WhatsApp to speak with the rest of the normies in my chat group. I am not
> saying that WhatsApp, FaceBook and Twitter, etc... are all amazing but the
> superior versions run by companies that respect privacy are not known by the
> wider population.
>

I think if some niche software you can use with your small group of friends, it
*is* a viable program.

I have 2000+ contacts in my address book and I only talk to 4 of them
regularly. Most often by phone. You don't need a program that lets you talk to
three million people, you need a program that lets you talk to the five people
who matters to you.

This is specially true because mainstream messengers are so abused that a
message you send is unlikely to be read on time if it is urgent. I have a
professional phone with some mainstream messenger installed and it is close to
useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them out
very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who
matters to them.

But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider
population XD

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Someone should make that happen..

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Subject: Someone should make that happen..
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 by: HusTler - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:39 UTC

Re: Someone should make that happen..
By: Ogg to HusTler on Fri Jul 16 2021 09:49 pm

Og> There are a load of others, and most of them are shit, indeed.

Og> But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find someone else that uses it.

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Re: KICQ as an "Old New I

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 by: MRO - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:37 UTC

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sat Jul 17 2021 08:53 am

> to useless. People are just sick of messengers and just does not check them
> out very often anymore. Or they just check the chats of the three people who
> matters to them.
>
> But well, I suppose BBS are not viable since they are unknown to the wider
> population XD
>

it's not really that they are unknown. the problem is they suck and nobody wants to use one. if you show someone a bbs, they dont want to use it. they have no reason to use it.
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Subject: Someone should make that happen..
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 by: Ogg - Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:43 UTC

Hello HusTler!

** On Saturday 17.07.21 - 09:39, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

Og>> There are a load of others, and most of them are shit,
Og>> indeed.

Og>> But Telegram is pretty sweet. ;)

H> I installed it on both my phone and PC. Now I need to find
H> someone else that uses it.

I am t.me/aabolins My icon is a pile of books with a hat on
top. I think just searching for "aabolins" would show my link
too. I could then get you started in some fidonet groups so
that you can see how it looks and works on Telegram. Most
fidonet groups still need "real names", but as long as you sign
your message with your real name that should be good enough for
most moderators.

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