Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Ogg to Nightfox on Sat Jun 25 2022 07:36 am

 N>> I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?

 Og> True. ..unless he meant the diff between HD LCD .vs. early
 Og> generation LCD screens.

That's what I interpreted it as.  I remember some early LCD TVs being 720p (1280x720).  And I'm not sure if there were older ones that had lower resolution than that..

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  By: Nightfox to Ogg on Fri Jun 24 2022 11:19 pm

 >   Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
 >   By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 07:54 pm
 >
 >  A>> I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
 >  A>> indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
 >  A>> where the difference in quality is not going to be
 >  A>> appreciated.
 >
 >  Og> You're still using a CRT-based TV?
 >
 > I don't think he said anywhere he's using a CRT TV..?
 >
 > Nightfox
 >
old second hand TV is mentioned.  That could go either way.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Jun 24 2022 07:54 pm

 > Hello Arelor!
 >
 > ** On Friday 24.06.22 - 03:43, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:
 >
 >  A> I don't care enough to jump ship. [...] specially if I
 >  A> indend to watch the movies on an old second hand TV set
 >  A> where the difference in quality is not going to be
 >  A> appreciated.
 >
 > You're still using a CRT-based TV?
 >
 >

Damn, you caught me.

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-=> Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

 > I still see a lot of movies and TV shows being released on DVD, and blu-ray.

 Ar> That is still much better than when you find only the Blu-rays in the
 Ar> store but not the DVD...

That depends on a person's technology. If you have a BluRay player, then it's
okay if it's only released on BluRay or only released on DVD, aside from the
drastic loss of video quality for DVDs. However, if you have a DVD player, then
BluRays do you no good at all.

With the ubiquity of inexpensive BluRay players, though, that's a problem that
is resolving itself.




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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jun 24 2022 03:43 am

 > They botched the Blu-ray release process too much at the begining and now I
 > don't care enough to jump ship. Certainly I don't have the motivation to
 > upgrade my readers and appliances of optical media, specially if I indend to
 > watch the movies on an old second hand TV set where the difference in
 > quality is not going to be appreciated.

I would argue that the second major format wars (the first behing VHS vs. Betamax, with Betamax being technically superior and unfortunately the loser) resulted in a pretty conclusive victory for the technically superior Blu-Ray over the craven proprietary HD-DVD format from Microsoft.  Sony's triumph was pretty much complete by the mid 2000s.

That said, I would agree that if you haven't already invested in optical appliances, you've probably already missed the boat on 1080p and even 4K discs. And there's really no reason for this.  You can invest in the digital format, and just skip optical media altogether.  And this need not be streaming; you can download, save to cheap disk storage, and just watch on demand and push out to your devices using a super cheap "smart" video dongle like Fire TV or Google TV, or my preference, an Apple TV system.
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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Kaelon to Arelor on Mon Jul 04 2022 12:05 pm

 Ka> I would argue that the second major format wars (the first behing VHS vs.
 Ka> Betamax, with Betamax being technically superior and unfortunately the
 Ka> loser) resulted in a pretty conclusive victory for the technically
 Ka> superior Blu-Ray over the craven proprietary HD-DVD format from Microsoft.

HD-DVD was mainly developed by Toshiba, I thought..  Microsoft just happened to support HD-DVD on their X-Box 360 by including the ability to play HD-DVD movies.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon Jul 11 2022 11:18 am

 > HD-DVD was mainly developed by Toshiba, I thought..  Microsoft just happened
 > to support HD-DVD on their X-Box 360 by including the ability to play HD-DVD
 > movies.

You are somewhat correct.  Toshiba was the chair of the HD-DVD Consortium, which also included 72 other companies, including Memory-Tec, NEC, Microsoft, and Sanyo.

That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars.  Sony created a superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB.  The maximum bitrate of both formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.

The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars.  But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber optic home internet service.
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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Mon Jul 11 2022 06:04 pm

 Ka> That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars. Sony created a
 Ka> superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of
 Ka> data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB. The maximum bitrate of both
 Ka> formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at
 Ka> around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.

Yeah, I remember reading about that.  I agree it's good that blu-ray won that format war.

 Ka> The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But
 Ka> optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber
 Ka> optic home internet service.

I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary..  You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service.  Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there.  Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.

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** On Monday 11.07.22 - 18:04, Kaelon wrote to Nightfox:

 K> [...] But optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary
 K> given the ubiquity of fiber optic home internet service.
 K> _____

In theory, yes.   But there is another "largely" that doesn't 
have the privilege of accessing fiber or other high-speed 
internet in their homes.  :/


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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

 >  Ka> The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But
 >  Ka> optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fiber
 >  Ka> optic home internet service.
 >
 > I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary..  You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%,
 > s being available to watch there.  Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats
 >

The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.

It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux
Magazine takes virtually no time.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm

 >> I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary..  You can't always
 >> rely on your internet always working 100%, s being available to watch
 >> there.  Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on
 >> physical formats

 Ar> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is
 Ar> very first worlder.

 Ar> It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home.
 Ar> Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no
 Ar> time.

You're preaching to the chior.  I agree.
What sucks is, the majority of people not buying optical media as much as they used to means that optical media isn't produced nearly as much as it used to be.  There have been a couple movies released on 4K blu-ray that seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm

 >
 > The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very
 > first worlder.
 >
 > It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile,
 > picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no time.
 >

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm

 > seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased
 > a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
 > Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray
 > movie shelves.
 > Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming
 > services all the time to watch movies.

why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvds?

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-=> MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

 > seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased
 > a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
 > Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray
 > movie shelves.
 > Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming
 > services all the time to watch movies.

 MR> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they
 MR> are on dvds?

The reasons have already been given.  Are you not paying attention, or
what?

Since you're slow to understand, I'll repeat some of them for you:

1. The streaming service might pull (for many reasons) a title from
their inventory that you want to watch.

2. Your internet connection may be down for whatever reason.

3. Many older and specialty/niche films are not offered by streaming
service.

Here's a perfect real-world example:  For those of us who live in
"hurricane country", we sometimes have power losses which last for
hours, days, and even a couple of weeks.  Things get pretty boring
sitting around a house with no power (OR INTERNET).  But.... assuming
one has a generator, you can power up a TV and a Blu-ray player, and
watch a fuckin movie that you have on disk.

You understand now, dummy?



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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 10:24 pm

 >> Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on
 >> streaming services all the time to watch movies.

 MR> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on
 MR> dvds?

Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarely) my own internet service might have issues.

Also, blu-ray offers a lot better video and audio quality than online streaming (which tends to compress things a lot).

For many years, I never heard anyone complain that DVDs are a "waste of space". I suppose people could say the same about books if they wanted to..

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** On Tuesday 12.07.22 - 12:54, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:

 >> I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary..  You
 >> can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, s
 >> being available to watch there. Those are a few of the
 >> reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats
 >>

 A> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
 A> not needed is very first worlder.

It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan 
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same 
access to high-speed internet everywhere).  Although.. a 
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.


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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am

 >  MR> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are
 >  MR> on dvds?
 >
 > Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many
 > people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarely)
 > my own internet service might have issues.
 >

we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that stuff.  it's working out great.

do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

 >   Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
 >   By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am
 >
 >  >  MR> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they
 >  >  MR> are on dvds?
 >
 >  > Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many
 >  > people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though
 >  > rarely) my own internet service might have issues.
 >
 >
 > we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that
 > stuff.  it's working out great.

We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.

 > do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
 > i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah, there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.
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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

 MR> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all
 MR> that stuff. it's working out great.

Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though?  I've had times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging extra to "rent" or buy the episodes if I wanted to keep watching it.

 MR> do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
 MR> i tossed all my dvds and cds out.

I don't know what that is..  I just think it's more reliable to have my own copy of something.  I don't think I'm attached to the things - I could also keep a copy of that stuff on a hard drive somewhere or on my Plex media server and I'd be happy with that.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

 >> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
 >> all that stuff.  it's working out great.

 DM> We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna
 DM> mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my "Plex
 DM> DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded content.
 DM> If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g. SNL), we
 DM> end up streaming it from some service anyway.

Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere.  Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?

Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up.  If there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really worth it.

 DM> I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah,
 DM> there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no
 DM> obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get
 DM> donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty
 DM> baffling.

I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for streaming services you'd pay each month.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

 >   Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
 >   By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm
 >
 >  >> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
 >  >> all that stuff.  it's working out great.
 >
 >  DM> We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna
 >  DM> mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my
 >  DM> "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded
 >  DM> content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g.
 >  DM> SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.
 >
 > Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere.
 > Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is
 > available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?

I assume it is... somewhere (there are so many), but my family hasn't ever asked for content they couldn't find streaming or online, so it just hasn't been a problem for us.

 > Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services
 > now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up.  If
 > there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would
 > be really worth it.

True. We only pay for Netflix, Hulu and Apple TV+ and that total I think is about $30/mo.

 >  DM> I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah,
 >  DM> there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no
 >  DM> obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get
 >  DM> donated or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty
 >  DM> baffling.
 >
 > I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for
 > streaming services you'd pay each month.

We used to (especially in the early part of the century) buy at least 2-4 DVDs a month *and* pay for DirecTV (at $100+ a month), so we pay far less now and have way more content to choose from.
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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:30 pm

 DM> We used to (especially in the early part of the century) buy at least 2-4
 DM> DVDs a month *and* pay for DirecTV (at $100+ a month), so we pay far less
 DM> now and have way more content to choose from.

Makes sense.
I don't watch a whole lot of TV..  I don't have cable or any other type of premium TV, and the only streaming service I have is Amazon Prime - And I rarely watch anything there.  When I do watch something, it's often something on OTA broadcast TV.  Premium TV service and streaming services have so much content, and I don't really feel like watching TV enough for me to get my money's worth from them.  Without the TV subscriptions, I suppose I can more easily buy an occasional movie or TV show (on optical disc or whatever).  I haven't been buying content very often either - only when something comes out that I really want, which has been sporadic.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:57 pm

 > When I do watch something, it's often something on OTA broadcast TV.
Commercials and air-times/schedules prevent that from being a viable model in my household. I was doing the Plex DVR thing like I mentioned (and stripping commercials), but also like I said, nobody ended up watching the content.

I do watch live news shows when there's some extremely news-worthy event that I'm curious about (which is rare), but even that ends up coming from a streaming service usually (e.g. CNN or CNBC via Samsung TV+ or whatever they call that free thing that comes with Samsung sets).
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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm

 > I still have all the CDs and DVDs, but have stopped accumulating. Yeah,
 > there is a weird human instinct to hold on to things that have no
 > obvious/immediate use any longer and I'm sure eventually they'll get donated
 > or trashed. But man, the $$$ we spent on those discs is pretty baffling.

and i remember some artists were releasing small cds with short tracks and they were just as expensive.  in this case i'd rather own the song than have the physical media.

if it's not owning it in their book it's probably fair use in some court's book.

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  Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
  By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:28 pm

 >   By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm
 >
 >  MR> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all
 >  MR> that stuff. it's working out great.
 >
 > Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though?  I've had times
 > where I was watching a TV show that was included with the streaming service
 > and then suddenly pulled it or started charging extra to "rent" or buy the

that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay more to get the rest.

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