Re: Internet
By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm

> I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
> address years ago. And even that is depricated now.
>

That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web
server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain,
so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

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Re: Internet
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:27 am

> Re: Internet
> By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm
>
> > I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
> > address years ago. And even that is depricated now.
>
>
> That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web
> server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a
> domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
> www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

Sure. But wouldn't it make sense for the shorted form (e.g. operationalsecurity.es) to point to the server of most use/typing (e.g. the web server)?

It used to annoy me when a site required a "www." sub-domain be specified in a web browser. Now, that's pretty rare.
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Re: Internet
By: Digital Man to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:57 am

> Re: Internet
> By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:27 am
>
> > Re: Internet
> > By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm
> >
> > > I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
> > > address years ago. And even that is depricated now.
>
>
> > That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a we
> > server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a
> > domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
> > www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.
>
> Sure. But wouldn't it make sense for the shorted form (e.g.
> operationalsecurity.es) to point to the server of most use/typing (e.g. the
> server)?
>
> It used to annoy me when a site required a "www." sub-domain be specified in
> web browser. Now, that's pretty rare.

It makes sense to redirect the traffic, sure. My services usually do short_form
-> www_form.

Some services from the Spanish administration have hosts with names such as
www1, www2, www3 under the same domain, so expecting that short_form will lead
you to the proper web server is not going to work, though.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 05:27, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

>> I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a
>> web address years ago. And even that is depricated now.
>>

A> That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does
A> not mean a web server is hosted there. That is what you can
A> have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have
A> mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
A> www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

I know this. But most people don't care about those subtleties.

I am seeing a trend in not even bothering with the http:// part
in website addresses on printed media.

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On 4/22/2021 3:27 AM, Arelor wrote:
>> I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
>> address years ago. And even that is depricated now.
>
> That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web
> server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain,
> so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
> www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at
the raw host that does a redirect to www.
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-=> Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-

Tr> In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at
Tr> the raw host that does a redirect to www.

An apache re-write rule should take care of that without another server
stanza.

I use Dreamhost for my blog and a couple of other sites, and one of the
options that have is how you want www.domain.tld and domain.tld. I usually
tell them to strip the www and redirect to domain.tld, I presume that a
rewrite is how they do it.

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On 5/5/2021 7:18 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
> -=> Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
>
> Tr> In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at
> Tr> the raw host that does a redirect to www.
>
> An apache re-write rule should take care of that without another server
> stanza.
>
> I use Dreamhost for my blog and a couple of other sites, and one of the
> options that have is how you want www.domain.tld and domain.tld. I usually
> tell them to strip the www and redirect to domain.tld, I presume that a
> rewrite is how they do it.

General rule for web is to "always" use the bare url, or never use it...
if you create a cookie by default on the raw url, it will be sent to
other hosts, which may emphatically not be the desired effect. This has
and does lead to security leaks in practice.

Imagine the potential problems for dyndns for example, github already
experienced some of these, which is why the project/account web hosting
is a different tld with no bare domain usage for web.
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