> > at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
> > of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
> > you bag away.
> >

> US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.

Kentucky has not for sure. OTOH, in California and Arizona this Summer, I
had to pay extra for a plastic bag. I just didn't get a bag at all in AZ
but, in CA I had too many things not to.

They sell them as "reusable" bags, and they are a little bigger and thicker
than the usual ones, but they are no where near as sturdy as the optional
reusable bags you can buy upon checkout here.

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> at the machines i use the machine takes a photo and they review it.
> they dont give you a shakedown.

Here, I know the Walmart takes video as there are times they show you
yourself on the screen. If Kroger does, they don't let you know and there
is no one between you and the door as you leave.

IMHO, the areas where the shakedown specialists are in use are the areas where
they have a lot of problems with shoplifters -- likely in cities or states
where they have quit prosecuting them.

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Re: Re: Internet
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 2023 07:41 am

> your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
> at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one

Sometimes I think about whether it'd be nice to move back to Europe. Na, I
think I'm way too spoiled :).

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Re: Re: Internet
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 2023 08:05 am

> Anything to save a buck.

Pretty sure most of our stations here only employ cashiers. Most of them are
just one person, but some are bigger and have two or three cash registers.

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Re: Re: Internet
By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 19 2023 05:49 pm

>> Anything to save a buck.

Ph> Pretty sure most of our stations here only employ cashiers. Most of them
Ph> are just one person, but some are bigger and have two or three cash
Ph> registers.

Some stores where I am added self-checkout and then got rid of self-checkout, apparently due to theft at the self-checkout lanes.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:09 am

> >I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25
> years, i'
> > not even sure if it's possible anymore with the register software they
> > use.
> >they just choose a generic item usually.
>
> I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the
> self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens
> that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their
> badge to get those screens to come up.
>
> I have not seen it often, but they can do it.
>

do you go to kroger stores? i normally just go to kroger and walmart.
i don't buy anything weird so i don't really have scan problems.
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Re: Full-service gas
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:08 am

> > This place had guys wearing coveralls with their names on them, they
> > would check your tires, your oil, top off your radiator and washer
> > fluid, and wash *all* of your windows with towels and a spray bottle
> > instead of a squeegee. We'd go there before taking a girl out on a
> > date...
>
> In my area, most of that had faded out by the time I was old enough to
> drive. When I was younger, and a passenger in my parent's cars (1970's and
> early 80's) I can still remember that the "name brand" places like Chevron,
> Exxon, etc., still did that. The convenience stores had not yet put those
> places out of business.
>
>

the place i mentioned where it had a pump where you HAD to get service and you paid for eventually ended up selling because they weren't making decent money.
they also would close down everything including the pumps at 8pm. they had a garage that did all repairs but they focused on mostly doing emissions testing which makes pennies.

what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset that no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's filling and be out. no issue for me.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:08 am

> Kentucky has not for sure. OTOH, in California and Arizona this Summer, I
> had to pay extra for a plastic bag. I just didn't get a bag at all in AZ
> but, in CA I had too many things not to.
>
> They sell them as "reusable" bags, and they are a little bigger and thicker
> than the usual ones, but they are no where near as sturdy as the optional
> reusable bags you can buy upon checkout here.
>

it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment
and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags disintegrate.
even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:08 am

> > at the machines i use the machine takes a photo and they review it.
> > they dont give you a shakedown.
>
> Here, I know the Walmart takes video as there are times they show you
> yourself on the screen. If Kroger does, they don't let you know and there
> is no one between you and the door as you leave.
>
> IMHO, the areas where the shakedown specialists are in use are the areas
> where they have a lot of problems with shoplifters -- likely in cities or
> states where they have quit prosecuting them.
>
>

it gets me because i'm tall and i'll crack open my wallet and get my shoppers card out.
the camera thinks i'm fake scanning an item from the time i crack the wallet to when i scan then card. it's stupid. i guess it works though.

what really works is a watchful eye. i saw a dude scan a case of beer and when it tells him to wait for id he just walks out like he bought it. this old broad went after him and dude had to walk back.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:09 am

> >I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25
> I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the
> self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens
> that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their
> badge to get those screens to come up.
>
> I have not seen it often, but they can do it.
>

Here (UK) the customer can do it as there is a numeric keypad on the screen of
the self serve. There's one barcode that will stick in my memory for ever from
when I worked on a till 50201600 A Cadbury's Creme Egg (due to their shape the
individual eggs never scanned). I did used to know a lottery ticket as well but
that seems to have escaeped me!

This was from the days where the till was just a numeric keypad with function
buttons...no touch screen, and a single dotmatrix line display. When the place
I worked finally did upgrade there was a dedicated button for Creme Eggs and
Lottery Tickets...you could also Win Key + R and load up solitaire for those
long shifts!

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 19 2023 11:48 pm

MR> it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment and
MR> makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags
MR> disintegrate. even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.

And it doesn't really make much sense to me that it's only the bags at checkout, but the clear plastic bags for produce, bulk items, etc. are still free.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Dec 20 2023 09:21 am

> MR> it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment
> MR> and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags
> MR> disintegrate. even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own
> MR> eyes.
>
> And it doesn't really make much sense to me that it's only the bags at
> checkout, but the clear plastic bags for produce, bulk items, etc. are still
> free.
>

and those bags do not break down like checkout bags.
it's 'conserving' for face.

just like how china pretends to recycle but the recycle trash goes to the normal trash.
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> > I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the
> > self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens
> > that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their
> > badge to get those screens to come up.
> >
> > I have not seen it often, but they can do it.

> do you go to kroger stores? i normally just go to kroger and walmart.
> i don't buy anything weird so i don't really have scan problems.

Yes, those are the two I usually go to. I don't usually have scan problems
unless something is wrong with the barcode.

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>what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset tha
> no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's filling and
>e out. no issue for me.

With the decline in service to pretty much just pumping gas, I would have
to agree... there is not much point in it.

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> > They sell them as "reusable" bags, and they are a little bigger and thicker
> > than the usual ones, but they are no where near as sturdy as the optional
> > reusable bags you can buy upon checkout here.

> it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment
> and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags disintegrate
> even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.

I thought so also. IMHO, if someone was concerned about the environment,
they'd buy some of the more sturdy (usually cloth or some synthetic) bags
and take those into the store with them. The bags in question, being
similar to the regular bags, just thicker, don't seem like something you
could keep around near as long as the reusable alternatives, and also don't
seem like something that would disintegrate as fast as the regular plastic
bags. Sounds more like a lose-lose.

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> This was from the days where the till was just a numeric keypad with function
> buttons...no touch screen, and a single dotmatrix line display. When the plac
> I worked finally did upgrade there was a dedicated button for Creme Eggs and
> Lottery Tickets...you could also Win Key + R and load up solitaire for those
> long shifts!

We do have some things that the customer can look up and ring out without
intervention. Usually fruit and veg where the little sticker is likely to
come off. Maybe there is a way to get it to let us key a barcode that I
just don't know about. They do appear to run Windows as I have seen some
of them booting up, or stuck on a "screen of death." ;)

I worked retail back in the late 1980s. Would have been nice to be able to
bring up a game of some sort but my long shifts were usually busy ones.

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Re: Full-service gas
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 20 2023 08:56 am

>> what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset
>> tha no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's
>> filling and e out. no issue for me.

DW> With the decline in service to pretty much just pumping gas, I would have
DW> to agree... there is not much point in it.

The state where I live recently started to allow self-service gas pumping. I'm fine with pumping my own gas, and it does save time since you don't have to wait for an attendant, though there were times I did like not having to get out of my car to do that.

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Re: Full-service gas
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 20 2023 08:56 am

> >what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset
> tha
> > no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's filling
> > and
> >e out. no issue for me.
>
> With the decline in service to pretty much just pumping gas, I would have
> to agree... there is not much point in it.
>
>

like i said before, i used to use this gas station and you'd pump gas and your hand would stink like gas. I haven't had that issue for years. that's the only reason why i'd let someone pump my gas for me.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 20 2023 09:00 am

> I thought so also. IMHO, if someone was concerned about the environment,
> they'd buy some of the more sturdy (usually cloth or some synthetic) bags
> and take those into the store with them. The bags in question, being
> similar to the regular bags, just thicker, don't seem like something you
> could keep around near as long as the reusable alternatives, and also don't
> seem like something that would disintegrate as fast as the regular plastic
> bags. Sounds more like a lose-lose.
>

A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable bags.

I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break even.
Some people does but I don't think most do.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 21 2023 06:01 am

>
> A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable
> bags.
>
> I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break even.
> Some people does but I don't think most do.

we use them for used cat litter.
and when i did doordash i would take a ton with me for when it was raining to protect the people's bags.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 21 2023 06:01 am

Ar> A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable
Ar> bags.

Ar> I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break
Ar> even. Some people does but I don't think most do.

It seems to me that most people who use reusable bags buy them somewhere else, and the ones I usually see people using aren't plastic, but are made of fabric of some kind.

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>just like how china pretends to recycle but the recycle trash goes to the norma
> trash.

And eventually into the waterways and the ocean.

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> Ar> A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable
> Ar> bags.

> Ar> I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break
> Ar> even. Some people does but I don't think most do.

> It seems to me that most people who use reusable bags buy them somewhere else,
> nd the ones I usually see people using aren't plastic, but are made of fabric
> some kind.

In the first sentence, re: plastic bags, he is talking specifically to me
about the "reusable" plastic bags that markets in Southern CA sell at the
checkout. They are slighly larger and thicker than the disposable bags,
and are not as sturdy looking as the ones you are refering to (i.e. the
ones that people who really care about the environment are going to be
using).

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Hello Arelor!

A> A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as
A> 40 expendable bags.

A> I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long
A> enough to break even. Some people does but I don't think
A> most do.

So... do you provide plastic bags for walk-in customers? What
are other shops in Spain providing wrt bags?

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Dec 21 2023 10:02 am

> >just like how china pretends to recycle but the recycle trash goes to the
> norma
> > trash.
>
> And eventually into the waterways and the ocean.
>
>

well i saw a video on it and they are old school. a guy will come buy and dig through it and sell it to be recycled. like the 80s in the usa.

then i guess the factories throw the microplastics in the ocean! :D
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