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* Re: Replace Google Groups with ?smw
+* nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Ted Heise
|+- Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)smw
|+* Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Rockinghorse Winner
||+- Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Bit Twister
||`* Re: nnAdam H. Kerman
|| +* Re: nnLewis
|| |`* Re: nnAdam H. Kerman
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|| +* Re: nnFrank Slootweg
|| |`- Re: nnRockinghorse Winner
|| `* Re: nnPhil Boutros
||  `* Re: nnAdam H. Kerman
||   `- Re: nnPeter J Ross
|`* Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Peter J Ross
| +* Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Lewis
| |+* Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)johnson
| ||`* Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Adam H. Kerman
| || `- [OT] Followup-To: (was: nn)Peter J Ross
| |`- Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)Peter J Ross
| `* Re: nnFrank Slootweg
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Subject: Re: Replace Google Groups with ?
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 by: smw - Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:54 UTC

In <CpOdnbBHrtmv6oDNnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com>
Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> writes:

>I have a number of things that I want to do to enhance NN a bit,
>foremost among them being Unicode support.

That would be a huge help, and I've been thinking of trying it myself
for a while but have never found the time.

The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to UTF
automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a user-settable
column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a single line with many
hundreds of characters).

- Steven
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Steven Winikoff |
Montreal, QC, Canada | "Artificial Intelligence is the study of
smw@smwonline.ca | how to make real computers act like the
http://smwonline.ca | ones in movies."
|
| - Ralf Brown (in comp.ai, 1992)

nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)

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From: theise@panix.com (Ted Heise)
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware,news.software.readers
Subject: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)
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 by: Ted Heise - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 13:22 UTC

[added news.software.readers]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:54:06 -0000 (UTC),
smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
> In <CpOdnbBHrtmv6oDNnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com>
> Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> writes:
>
> >I have a number of things that I want to do to enhance NN a
> >bit, foremost among them being Unicode support.

I add my thanks to those of others. I don't use nn myself, but
greatly appreciate the efforts of anyone maintaining programs of
value to the community.

> That would be a huge help, and I've been thinking of trying it
> myself for a while but have never found the time.
>
> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable
> text to UTF automatically, with an option to force line
> wrapping at a user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs
> in QP present as a single line with many hundreds of
> characters).

For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for
"wrap" I suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to
look for in that code would simplify using some of it? I could be
way off base here, having only ever glanced at sources.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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 by: smw - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 00:06 UTC

In <slrnstloce.cir.theise@panix2.panix.com>
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> writes:

>On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:54:06 -0000 (UTC),
> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:

>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable
>> text to UTF automatically, with an option to force line
>> wrapping at a user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs
>> in QP present as a single line with many hundreds of
>> characters).

>For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for
>"wrap" I suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to
>look for in that code would simplify using some of it? I could be
>way off base here, having only ever glanced at sources.

Thank you! That does help.

- Steven
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Steven Winikoff |
Montreal, QC, Canada | "Ninety percent of most magic merely
smw@smwonline.ca | consists of knowing one extra fact."
http://smwonline.ca |
| - Terry Pratchett

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 by: meff - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:44 UTC

FYI Aaron's comment is from years ago and not current.

Re: nn (was: Replace Google Groups with ?)

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 by: Rockinghorse Winner - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:52 UTC

On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>
> [added news.software.readers]
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:54:06 -0000 (UTC),
> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>> In <CpOdnbBHrtmv6oDNnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com>
>> Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> writes:
>>
>> >I have a number of things that I want to do to enhance NN a
>> >bit, foremost among them being Unicode support.
>
> I add my thanks to those of others. I don't use nn myself, but
> greatly appreciate the efforts of anyone maintaining programs of
> value to the community.
>
>
>> That would be a huge help, and I've been thinking of trying it
>> myself for a while but have never found the time.
>>
>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable
>> text to UTF automatically, with an option to force line
>> wrapping at a user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs
>> in QP present as a single line with many hundreds of
>> characters).
>
> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for
> "wrap" I suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to
> look for in that code would simplify using some of it? I could be
> way off base here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>

I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
have this capability..?

--

"Many have sought in vain to tell joyously of the Most Joyous. Now at last It
declares Itself to me, now in this misery." - Holderlin

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 by: Bit Twister - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:39 UTC

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:52:01 GMT, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:

> I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
> However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
> have this capability..?

Slrn has the speed and extensive key bindings.

Line wrap can be controlled by the editor you chose to use via environment
variable example export SLRN_EDITOR=geany

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:37 UTC

Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> wrote:

>I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
>However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
>have this capability..?

Good heavens.

First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
I was used to.

If I add text within a line, I have to reformat the paragraph and call a
separate paragraph formatter. I usually use fmt but there are others.

I personally do not care for a composer acting like a word processor in
which paragraphs are reformatted on the fly and especially if soft line
breaks are used, which aren't ASCII characters and must not be sent to
Usenet.

If I'm writing a document that has to look neat and not a quick followup
on Usenet, then I'll use a text editor outside of the newsreader, make
sure it's output as pure ASCII with a fixed-width font and proper line
length, then read that file into the composer when I'm ready to prepare
the article for injection into Usenet.

The older newsreaders that allow the user to choose is own text editor
and don't provide a built-in text editor are a lot more flexible. I
thought nn didn't provide its own built-in text editor but I really
can't comment.

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:20 UTC

In message <srpdg7$hav$1@dont-email.me> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> wrote:

>>I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
>>However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
>>have this capability..?

> Good heavens.

> First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
> editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
> Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
> within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
> I was used to.

WEll, you do not have to do that in vim, it does line breaks as yu type
just fine.

However, not being able to wrap text in a newsreader is, I think,
obviously talking about READING posts. And not being able to line wrap
posts would make any news reader largely useless or very very
aggravating in 2022.

I even wish I could set a wrap length for slrn other than "window width"
as readable text on a 16:9 laptop screen is only about half the width of
the window.

--
Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'. --The Last
Continent

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From: this@ddress.is.invalid (Frank Slootweg)
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:52 UTC

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> wrote:
>
> >I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
> >However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
> >have this capability..?
>
> Good heavens.
>
> First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
> editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
> Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
> within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
> I was used to.

AFAICT, Rockinghorse Winner is talking about wrapping text while
*reading* - not composing - articles. At least he responded to Ted
Heise, who wrote:

[Unsnip:]

<quote>

For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for
"wrap" I suppose) while reading articles.

</quote>

See also Lewis' response talking about wrapping while reading
articles.

FWIW, I also would like my newsreader - tin - to wrap too long lines
while reading articles, but AFAIK it's pager is fixed/built-in. But as a
use a very old version, I may be wrong.

> If I add text within a line, I have to reformat the paragraph and call a
> separate paragraph formatter. I usually use fmt but there are others.

As Lewis mentions, vim can wrap during composing and vim can rewrap a
paragraph after editing it, but using fmt is of course perfectly fine.
I was doing that when I still had vi, not vim.

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 by: Phil Boutros - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:56 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to news.software.readers.]
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> Good heavens.
>
> First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
> editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
> Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
> within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
> I was used to.

Some of us still do this, as we have since the 90s (currently on
VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2. Just set your textwidth appropriately in vim,
no problem. You certainly never needed to manually enter carriage
returns "like using a typewriter" if you knew what you were doing.

> If I add text within a line, I have to reformat the paragraph and call a
> separate paragraph formatter. I usually use fmt but there are others.

You don't need to go through all that. Just join all lines
(hitting j as required or vipJ to select the whole paragraph in visual
mode, then join it), then gqq. Done.

> The older newsreaders that allow the user to choose is own text editor
> and don't provide a built-in text editor are a lot more flexible. I
> thought nn didn't provide its own built-in text editor but I really
> can't comment.

Which is inconsequential to the discussion of nn, as I believe the
person was talking about wrapping lines while *reading*. As others
have mentioned, hitting 'w' in slrn does this nicely for those who are
deprived of a properly formatting editor and newsreader (which should
be nice enough to warn you if you are attempting to post with lines
that are too long. Too bad the GNKSA is dead. I believe that was one
of the "shoulds". It's not a feature that I use often, but invaluable
when I do.

Phil
--
AH#61 Wolf#14 BS#89 bus#1 CCB#1 SENS KOTC#4
philb@philb.ca http://philb.ca

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:18 UTC

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.don-t-email-me.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> wrote:

>>>I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive
>>>key bindings. However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal
>>>breaker. Does it really not have this capability..?

>>Good heavens.

>>First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
>>editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
>>Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
>>within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
>>I was used to.

>WEll, you do not have to do that in vim, it does line breaks as yu type
>just fine.

Eh. That command got turned on automatically in some linux update and
I'm not sure which one it is. I haven't looked for it in the help text.
Much of the time, I'd prefer not to have the automatic line break
because I still have to reformat the paragraph.

>However, not being able to wrap text in a newsreader is, I think,
>obviously talking about READING posts. And not being able to line wrap
>posts would make any news reader largely useless or very very
>aggravating in 2022.

My terminal emulation does that, not the newsreader.

>I even wish I could set a wrap length for slrn other than "window width"
>as readable text on a 16:9 laptop screen is only about half the width of
>the window.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:24 UTC

Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote:

>["Followup-To:" header set to news.software.readers.]

I'm retaining the crosspost.

>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Good heavens.

>>First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
>>editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
>>Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
>>within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
>>I was used to.

> Some of us still do this, as we have since the 90s (currently on
>VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2. Just set your textwidth appropriately in vim,
>no problem. You certainly never needed to manually enter carriage
>returns "like using a typewriter" if you knew what you were doing.

Yeah, I know, but it's not a setting I want turned on much of the time.

>>If I add text within a line, I have to reformat the paragraph and call a
>>separate paragraph formatter. I usually use fmt but there are others.

> You don't need to go through all that. Just join all lines
>(hitting j as required or vipJ to select the whole paragraph in visual
>mode, then join it), then gqq. Done.

That's multiple commands! !fmt -76 (or whatever line length)

>>. . .

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:58 UTC

In message <srpqdg$a55$3@dont-email.me> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.don-t-email-me.com> wrote:
>>However, not being able to wrap text in a newsreader is, I think,
>>obviously talking about READING posts. And not being able to line wrap
>>posts would make any news reader largely useless or very very
>>aggravating in 2022.

> My terminal emulation does that, not the newsreader.

Ah, but normally in the terminal long lines are great, because reading
and editing source ode short line lengths quickly march off the right
side, while a newsreader does not have that issue.

--
Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects.

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 by: Rockinghorse Winner - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 01:12 UTC

On 2022-01-13, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I remember using nn and liking it for it's speed and extensive key bindings.
>> >However, not wrapping long lines would be a deal breaker. Does it really not
>> >have this capability..?
>>
>> Good heavens.
>>
>> First starting on Usenet in the '90s, my newsreader called the text
>> editor of my choice for use in the composer. I used the original vi.
>> Much later, I switched to vim. I had to enter my own line boundary
>> within paragraphs. It was just like using a typewriter. It was something
>> I was used to.
>
> AFAICT, Rockinghorse Winner is talking about wrapping text while
> *reading* - not composing - articles. At least he responded to Ted
> Heise, who wrote:
>
> [Unsnip:]
>
><quote>
>
> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for
> "wrap" I suppose) while reading articles.

Yes, about 1/8 of the articles I read use extra long line lengths. On slrn,
this is a snap. But having to use the arrow keys to navigate this mess is a
non starter for me. :)

--

"Many have sought in vain to tell joyously of the Most Joyous. Now at last It
declares Itself to me, now in this misery." - Holderlin

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 by: Peter J Ross - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 19:21 UTC

On 2022-01-13, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote:
>
>> Some of us still do this, as we have since the 90s (currently on
>>VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2. Just set your textwidth appropriately in vim,
>>no problem. You certainly never needed to manually enter carriage
>>returns "like using a typewriter" if you knew what you were doing.
>
> Yeah, I know, but it's not a setting I want turned on much of the time.

:set tw=0

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 by: Peter J Ross - Fri, 14 Jan 2022 19:43 UTC

On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:

> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>
>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>
> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
> suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
> that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
> here, having only ever glanced at sources.

slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
want to set a column for wrapping.

Other aspects of wrapping are configurable in slrn by setting the
variables "wrap_flags" and "wrap_method" in .slrnrc.

https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.133
https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.134

slrn is written in C. If nn is written is C, the relevant code ought to
be easy to adapt.

https://slrn.info/download.html

--
PJR :-)

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 by: Lewis - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:44 UTC

In message <slrnsu3kjm.278s.pjr@pjr.example.invalid> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:

>> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>>> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>>> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>>> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>>
>> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
>> suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
>> that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
>> here, having only ever glanced at sources.

> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
> want to set a column for wrapping.

Because the appropriate width for a terminal that is used for terminal
stuff like looking at code or logs is too wide for reading news, so it
would be much better if slrn supported a reasonable line wrap length the
user could set rather that constraining only to the width of the screen
or window.

> Other aspects of wrapping are configurable in slrn by setting the
> variables "wrap_flags" and "wrap_method" in .slrnrc.

> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.133
> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.134

Neither of those cover this.

> slrn is written in C. If nn is written is C, the relevant code ought to
> be easy to adapt.

Isn't slrn written in SLANG?

> https://slrn.info/download.html

--
No man is free who is not master of himself

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 by: johnson - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:05 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to news.software.readers.]
On 2022-01-15, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <slrnsu3kjm.278s.pjr@pjr.example.invalid> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>>>> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>>>> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>>>> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
>>> suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
>>> that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
>>> here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>
>> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
>> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
>> want to set a column for wrapping.
>
> Because the appropriate width for a terminal that is used for terminal
> stuff like looking at code or logs is too wide for reading news, so it
> would be much better if slrn supported a reasonable line wrap length the
> user could set rather that constraining only to the width of the screen
> or window.
>
>> Other aspects of wrapping are configurable in slrn by setting the
>> variables "wrap_flags" and "wrap_method" in .slrnrc.
>
>> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.133
>> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.134
>
> Neither of those cover this.
>
>> slrn is written in C. If nn is written is C, the relevant code ought to
>> be easy to adapt.
>
> Isn't slrn written in SLANG?
>

no, slrn is written in C (as also is slang)

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 05:23 UTC

johnson <root@example.net> wrote:
>["Followup-To:" header set to news.software.readers.]

Here's the way it works: If YOU think thread drift has rendered it off
topic in one or more newsgroups in the crosspost, then YOU cut the
crosspost.

You just posted off topic. Setting Followup-To is a case of Do As I Say,
Don't Do As I Do.

No one posting a followup has to follow your instructions in
Followup-To. The author is responsible for whether he crossposts, not
the author of the precursor article.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:20 UTC

Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
> >> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
> >> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
> >> single line with many hundreds of characters).
> >
> > For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
> > suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
> > that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
> > here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>
> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
> want to set a column for wrapping.

Does slrn do *word*-wrapping or just 'character'-wrapping, i.e.
'folding' the line at the end of the window?

My newsreader is tin and its pager (at least the one in this very old
version) does not wrap long lines. But my 'terminal' (actually a
(Windows) 'Command Prompt' window) does 'character'-wrapping at the edge
of the window. I would like if the tin pager could do word-wrapping.

[...]

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 by: Ted Heise - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:02 UTC

On 15 Jan 2022 13:20:47 GMT,
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
> > > smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The other item on my wish list is to convert
> > >> quoted-printable text to UTF automatically, with an option
> > >> to force line wrapping at a user-settable column (because
> > >> flowed paragraphs in QP present as a single line with many
> > >> hundreds of characters).
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w"
> > > (for "wrap" I suppose) while reading articles. Maybe
> > > knowing what to look for in that code would simplify using
> > > some of it? I could be way off base here, having only ever
> > > glanced at sources.
> >
> > slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the
> > screen or window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not
> > sure why a user would want to set a column for wrapping.
>
> Does slrn do *word*-wrapping or just 'character'-wrapping,
> i.e. 'folding' the line at the end of the window?
>
> My newsreader is tin and its pager (at least the one in this
> very old version) does not wrap long lines. But my 'terminal'
> (actually a (Windows) 'Command Prompt' window) does
> 'character'-wrapping at the edge of the window. I would like if
> the tin pager could do word-wrapping.

The w command in slrn article reading mode wraps text by word.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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 by: Peter J Ross - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:30 UTC

[Followup-To: news.software.readers]

On 2022-01-15, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <slrnsu3kjm.278s.pjr@pjr.example.invalid> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>> smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>>>> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>>>> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>>>> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
>>> suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
>>> that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
>>> here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>
>> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
>> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
>> want to set a column for wrapping.
>
> Because the appropriate width for a terminal that is used for terminal
> stuff like looking at code or logs is too wide for reading news, so it
> would be much better if slrn supported a reasonable line wrap length the
> user could set rather that constraining only to the width of the screen
> or window.

That's a good point. While one can resize a terminal emulator window,
one can't resize a "real" terminal, and mine has 320 columns - enough to
make long lines impossible to read on a large monitor without danger of
whiplash injuries!

So I now agree that an option to set wrapping width would be a useful
feature in a newsreader.

>> Other aspects of wrapping are configurable in slrn by setting the
>> variables "wrap_flags" and "wrap_method" in .slrnrc.
>
>> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.133
>> https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.134
>
> Neither of those cover this.

No, but they're worth mentioning in case the nn developers are
interested in implementing the same features.

> slrn is written in C. If nn is written is C, the relevant code ought to
>> be easy to adapt.
>
> Isn't slrn written in SLANG?

S-Lang scripts are an important part of the slrn experience, but the
slrn binary is compiled from C source code. For details, see the link I
provided:

>> https://slrn.info/download.html

--
PJR :-)

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 by: Peter J Ross - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:44 UTC

On 2022-01-15, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> johnson <root@example.net> wrote:
>>["Followup-To:" header set to news.software.readers.]
>
> Here's the way it works: If YOU think thread drift has rendered it off
> topic in one or more newsgroups in the crosspost, then YOU cut the
> crosspost.
>
> You just posted off topic. Setting Followup-To is a case of Do As I Say,
> Don't Do As I Do.
>
> No one posting a followup has to follow your instructions in
> Followup-To. The author is responsible for whether he crossposts, not
> the author of the precursor article.

The "Followup-To:" line is advisory and tentative. johnson has observed
proper netiquette by including a mention of it in the body of his post.

I'm not sure why you're complaining about good behaviour.

--
PJR :-)

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 by: Peter J Ross - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:58 UTC

On 2022-01-15, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>> >> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>> >> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>> >> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
>> > suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
>> > that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
>> > here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>>
>> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
>> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
>> want to set a column for wrapping.
>
> Does slrn do *word*-wrapping or just 'character'-wrapping, i.e.
> 'folding' the line at the end of the window?

https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-manual-6.html#ss6.134

| 6.134 wrap_method
| | Type: integer
| Default: 2
| | With this variable, you can control how slrn wraps long lines. When 0,
| it wraps at word boundries, leaving words that are longer than your line
| width untouched. When 1, it always wraps at the right border of the
| screen. When 2, it first tries so find a good place to wrap the line and
| wraps at the right border only when necessary.

(Speaking as a former maintainer and corrector of the slrn
documentation, I wonder how I missed "boundries".)

> My newsreader is tin and its pager (at least the one in this very old
> version) does not wrap long lines. But my 'terminal' (actually a
> (Windows) 'Command Prompt' window) does 'character'-wrapping at the edge
> of the window. I would like if the tin pager could do word-wrapping.

Why not submit a feature request to the tin developers? Of course,
you'll need to check that later versions of tin don't already include
the feature.

OT: It's good to see that you're alive and (I hope) well, Frank. It must
be at least 15 years since we first debated the relative merits of our
preferred newsreaders.

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PJR :-)

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In message <srul7k.d68.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-09, Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > smw <smw@mort.smwonline.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The other item on my wish list is to convert quoted-printable text to
>> >> UTF automatically, with an option to force line wrapping at a
>> >> user-settable column (because flowed paragraphs in QP present as a
>> >> single line with many hundreds of characters).
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, slrn does this with the command "w" (for "wrap" I
>> > suppose) while reading articles. Maybe knowing what to look for in
>> > that code would simplify using some of it? I could be way off base
>> > here, having only ever glanced at sources.
>>
>> slrn's pager wraps (if wrapping is desired) at the edge of the screen or
>> window, not at "a user-settable column". I'm not sure why a user would
>> want to set a column for wrapping.

> Does slrn do *word*-wrapping or just 'character'-wrapping, i.e.
> 'folding' the line at the end of the window?

There are three (as I recall) options. One looks for an 'appropriate'
place to wrap.

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