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by: Robert Riebisch - Thu, 13 May 2021 19:56 UTC

Tomas By wrote:

> Am trying to use the latest Emacs on a machine with 1 GB of RAM. It
> seems to work fine, but takes ten minutes or so to start.
>
> Is there any way to reduce this? Should I try earlier versions?

Couple of questions:
1) Is this a physical machine?
2) What CPU?
3) What OS? (FreeDOS version?)
4) Any kind of disk caching enabled?

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by: Tomas By - Thu, 13 May 2021 20:45 UTC

On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:56:44 +0200, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> 1) Is this a physical machine?

Yes...

> 2) What CPU?

`Intel Atom N270'

> 3) What OS? (FreeDOS version?)

1.3 I think.

> 4) Any kind of disk caching enabled?

I don't think so.

/Tomas

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by: Tomas By - Thu, 13 May 2021 21:06 UTC

On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:56:44 +0200, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> 1) Is this a physical machine?

Yes...

> 2) What CPU?

`Intel Atom N270'

> 3) What OS? (FreeDOS version?)

1.3 I think.

> 4) Any kind of disk caching enabled?

I don't think so.

/Tomas

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by: Tomas By - Thu, 13 May 2021 21:06 UTC

On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:56:44 +0200, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> 1) Is this a physical machine?

Yes...

> 2) What CPU?

`Intel Atom N270'

> 3) What OS? (FreeDOS version?)

1.3 I think.

> 4) Any kind of disk caching enabled?

I don't think so.

/Tomas

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by: Robert Riebisch - Sat, 15 May 2021 16:14 UTC

Tomas By wrote:

>> 2) What CPU?
>
> `Intel Atom N270'

Not the fastest, but should be fast enough for a DOS program.

>> 3) What OS? (FreeDOS version?)
>
> 1.3 I think.

How did you install FreeDOS?
A typical installation from the official media shows a "Welcome to the
FreeDOS 1.2 operating system".

>> 4) Any kind of disk caching enabled?
>
> I don't think so.

Please install
<https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/uhdd.html>
and try again.

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by: Tomas By - Tue, 18 May 2021 16:07 UTC

On Sat, 15 May 2021 18:14:44 +0200, Robert Riebisch [...] wrote:
> > `Intel Atom N270'
> Not the fastest, but should be fast enough for a DOS program.

Hmm, yes, only around a thousand times faster than a 8086?

Barely acceptable? Might do in a pinch?

> Please install [uhdd] and try again.

Yes, that helped. Now it takes a minute or two.

So Freedos has nothing like that? There does not seem to be any SMARTDRIVE.*

Thanks for that.

/Tomas

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by: Tomas By - Tue, 18 May 2021 16:08 UTC

On Sat, 15 May 2021 18:14:44 +0200, Robert Riebisch [...] wrote:
> > `Intel Atom N270'
> Not the fastest, but should be fast enough for a DOS program.

Hmm, yes, only around a thousand times faster than a 8086?

Barely acceptable? Might do in a pinch?

> Please install [uhdd] and try again.

Yes, that helped. Now it takes a minute or two.

So Freedos has nothing like that? There does not seem to be any SMARTDRIVE.*

Thanks for that.

/Tomas

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by: Robert Riebisch - Thu, 20 May 2021 18:15 UTC

Tomas By wrote:

>> > `Intel Atom N270'
>> Not the fastest, but should be fast enough for a DOS program.
>
> Hmm, yes, only around a thousand times faster than a 8086?

Maybe, but I remember the N270 being very slow with Windows (7?).

>> Please install [uhdd] and try again.
>
> Yes, that helped. Now it takes a minute or two.

Nice speedup, but would be still to slow for me for just starting a
"text editor". (Yes, I know, Emacs is more an operating or eco system.)

> So Freedos has nothing like that? There does not seem to be any SMARTDRIVE.*

UHDD *is* "part" of FreeDOS.

You could also try our old
<https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/lbacache.html>.

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by: Tomas By - Thu, 20 May 2021 18:45 UTC

On Thu, 20 May 2021 20:15:48 +0200, Robert Riebisch [...] wrote:
> Tomas By wrote:
> > Hmm, yes, only around a thousand times faster than a 8086?
> Maybe, but I remember the N270 being very slow with Windows (7?).

I'm dual-booting Win 7 on that machine, and it is not noticably slower
for normal stuff. I am not using it for anything intensive.

> Nice speedup, but would be still to slow for me for just starting a
> "text editor". (Yes, I know, Emacs is more an operating or eco system.)

Yes, but the Emacs in Freedos lacks stuff (cannot remember what it
was, but something fairly fundamental). Luckily there are many other
options. But it's nice to have the real thing available.

> UHDD *is* "part" of FreeDOS.

Eh, ok.

/Tomas

You will have a head crash on your private pack.

devel / comp.os.msdos.djgpp / Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM

Subject	Author
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Robert Riebisch
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Robert Riebisch
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Robert Riebisch
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By
Re: Emacs / 1GB RAM	Tomas By