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* Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Ant
+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Roger Blake
+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Bobbie Sellers
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
|     +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|     +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Bobbie Sellers
|     `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Charlie Gibbs
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Andreas Kohlbach
|   |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|   | | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   | |   +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|   | |   |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
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|   | |   |  | `* Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. oldSixOverFive
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|   | |    +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |    |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |    | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
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|   | |    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
|   | |     `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |      |+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
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|   | |      |  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      |   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
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|   | |      |    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
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|   | |      |     +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
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|   | |      |     |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |      |     `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |      |      +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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|   | |      |        +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |      |        |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |      |        `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Tauno Voipio
|   | |       `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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|   | |        | `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |        `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |         `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   |  `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|    +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|    |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
|     `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
| +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|    `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Andreas Kohlbach
|`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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From: hae274c.net@nowhere (SevenOverSix)
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 by: SevenOverSix - Mon, 13 Sep 2021 03:43 UTC

On 9/12/21 4:09 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> SevenOverSix <hae274c.net> writes:
>> It's not the JMP ... it's what your JMP-ing FROM and TO.
>>
>> The provided example popped x-number of items off the stack,
>> regardless of the situation you jumped FROM.
>
> Nope. The example replaced a specific sequence of POPs and RET with a
> JMP to the same sequence of POPs and RET.

That'll work - WITHIN that context. I'm referring to
the example being used as prototype GENERAL fix for
every little problem.

Not mentioning the limitations amounts to defective
programming advice. Many (most) of us use cut-n-paste
bits from advice forums these days. Like science and
medicine, the compuverse has become SO vast there are
no such things as all-purpose experts. Specialization
has crept in. Oft we need to cut-n-paste stuff WE do
not fully understand. So, it'd better be GOOD stuff.

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 by: TJ - Wed, 15 Sep 2021 02:42 UTC

On 8/30/21 19:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
>
> Setup details:
>
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).
>
> Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
> share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
> 9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
> optical Logitech mouse.

Hello, Ant.

I can't answer your question, because I have zero experience with
Debian. I use Mageia Linux, and have since its inception a decade ago,
and I can say that your hardware would work just fine with Mageia 8.

I would, however, echo some of the advice you've been given here to get
the best you can out of Mageia. You should add some RAM - bring it up to
4GB at least, and 8 would be better. With just 2GB you are likely to be
using swap if you try to do more than one thing at a time, and that will
hurt performance, even with an ssd.

I'd also replace the Nvidia card with one from AMD, because Nvidia has
become notorious for not supporting their older cards with proprietary
drivers. While your current card may work OK with the open source
nouveau driver, it also may not. I dumped my last Nvidia card two years
ago because of this. The open source AMD drivers are much more capable
in my experience.

Ebay is an excellent place to look for lightly used older hardware
upgrades - it is where most of my hardware has come from.

I have a PC, on loan to my brother, with a 13 year old Intel DQ45CB
motherboard, a Core 2 Duo E8400 processor, 8GB of RAM, AMD HD 8570
video, and an ssd drive. He connects to the Internet with an Atheros
AR9485 PCIe card. He is running Mageia 8 Linux with the Plasma DE, with
no troubles at all. The video card uses the AMDGPU driver, but actually,
for anything he's likely to do the onboard Intel graphics would be
perfectly adequate.

I also have an 18 year old Dell Inspiron 5100 that is successfully
running Mageia 8 Linux. It has a 32-bit P4 processor, 2GB of RAM (the
max for the hardware), downright ancient Radeon RV200 graphics, and an
old Atheros wifi card. It is running 32-bit Mageia Xfce, currently using
the 5.10.62 kernel. It's definitely no speed demon, but it works.

TJ

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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:02 UTC

On 2021-09-15, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

> I'd also replace the Nvidia card with one from AMD, because Nvidia has
> become notorious for not supporting their older cards with proprietary
> drivers. While your current card may work OK with the open source
> nouveau driver, it also may not. I dumped my last Nvidia card two years
> ago because of this. The open source AMD drivers are much more capable
> in my experience.

I've had good results with nVidia cards. I have older ones (e.g.
GeForce 630) in two of my boxes, and they run just fine with the
proprietary drivers. You can get versions for older cards like
mine from the Debian site.

I've had trouble with nouveau - one of my boxes was locking up
from time to time, and it straightened out when I replaced nouveau
with the proprietary drivers. This was a few years ago - perhaps
nouveau is working better now.

I tried borrowing an ATI video card from a friend, and couldn't
get it to work at all.

I'm running Debian Buster on my machines.

I'm writing this message on a Lenovo T410 laptop. I can't find
an exact release date for it, but it came with Windows 7 and I've
found reviews from 2010. So it might not be over 12 years old yet,
but it's getting close - and although I'm not doing high-powered
graphics on it, it does manage fairly well with Zoom and Skype.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
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