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* Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Ant
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| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
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|   |  `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
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|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|    `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
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|`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?TJ

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 11:55 UTC

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>
>> In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>
> I disagree even for desktop machines.

Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
--
Andreas

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:10 UTC

On 01/09/2021 12:55, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>>
>> I disagree even for desktop machines.
>
> Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
>
No *need*, but many people migrating from Windows feel more
comfortable...in a more or less 100% GUI for user level and basic code
installation.

Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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 by: SixOverFive - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 03:32 UTC

On 9/1/21 5:07 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> On 08/31/2021 05:01 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>> Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
>>>> tricks though
>>>
>>> |[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
>>> |APT {
>>> | Install-Recommends "false";
>>> | Install-Suggests "false";
>>> |};
>>> |
>>> |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Marc
>>>
>>
>> That'll work - but usually I like to decide on
>> a case-by-case basis.
>
> I think you can override the settings if you want recommends. ALso,
> apt says which recommended / suggested package it doesn install.
>
> I find it dangerous to have the "give me the full thing" as default,
> it's too easy to omit the option once.
>
> Also debfoster does a pretty good job in keeping the system small.
>
>> However someone using VERY
>> limited old hardware might want to set those as
>> defaults.
>
> I am a professional server jockey and all my Debian installs have
> these set. Especially in containerized environments you want to be as
> small as possible.

For containers, I agree.

But I don't use containers/VMs on servers. Had too many
negative experiences. The hardware is cheap enough these
days that you can dedicate a box-per-task-or-two. Now
I mostly do small/medium outfits - LARGE outfits might
have a different buzz.

>
>> In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>
> I disagree even for desktop machines.

Well, it's the FIRST thing I install on a new install.
Everything Command-Line is for the 80s - or those
looking for job security :-)

So we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can envision a Synaptic2 ... there ARE some features
that could/should be included nowadays.

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 by: SixOverFive - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 03:58 UTC

On 9/1/21 8:10 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 12:55, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:07:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>
>>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.
>>>
>>> I disagree even for desktop machines.
>>
>> Agreed. aptitude or apt-get rules the Debian universe. No need for a GUI.
>>
> No *need*, but many people migrating from Windows feel more
> comfortable...in a more or less 100% GUI for user level and basic code
> installation.e
>
> Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....

Correct.

The NeverGUI people kind of worry me these days.

I smell "job security", not anything relating to
vital function. Synaptic bundles access to several
install/update aspects all under one easy roof.
Sure, you CAN edit all those apt config/repo files
one at time with nano (vi if you're a fanatic) but
WHY ???

I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano
and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using
visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write
documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY !

GUIs are hardly "experimental" these days. GUI interfaces
can VASTLY speed up what you do. Sometimes you DO still
have to go command-line for that Nth-degree detail and
need to know how to do that, but mostly ....

EVERY server I've installed in the last decade has
at least OpenBox or IceWM, usually LXDE. No more
white-on-black terminals ONLY anymore ! This subnote
I'm using installed with XFCE, but I just couldn't turn
off enough of the "features" to avoid horrors - so now
it's LXDE. Does it all, no BS.

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 by: Marc Haber - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 07:29 UTC

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....

If that was the case, it would depend on aptitude. It doesn't.

Things would be so easy if you had a remote clue about what you're
talking about.

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 by: Marc Haber - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 07:30 UTC

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>So we'll have to agree to disagree.

We have. And I'm actually happy about it. Why having a discussion
about technical aspects when it's so easy to go personal.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 08:48 UTC

On 02/09/2021 08:29, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Synaptic is simply a GUI face on aptitude....
>
> If that was the case, it would depend on aptitude. It doesn't.
>
> Things would be so easy if you had a remote clue about what you're
> talking about.
>

Why having a discussion
about technical aspects when it's so easy to go personal.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 11:04 UTC

On 02/09/2021 05.58, SixOverFive wrote:

....

>   I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano
>   and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using
>   visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write
>   documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY !

This is the wrong way to do it.

Just define the environment var "EDITOR"

EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano

And then visudo will use nano transparently. And many other tools that
use an editor.

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 by: SixOverFive - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 04:04 UTC

On 9/2/21 3:30 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> So we'll have to agree to disagree.
>
> We have. And I'm actually happy about it. Why having a discussion
> about technical aspects when it's so easy to go personal.

I don't think you're crazy/evil for YOUR vision
of what servers etc are "supposed to be like" ...
my vision is just different, MAYBE a tad more
"modern". I am not afraid of GUIs and am NOT
concerned they'll "overload" an i10 dodecacore
somehow.

Fortunately, the LinuVerse can deliver BOTH our
visions with minimal problems.

I (horrors!) like to administer using V*N*C even !
No, NOT on traditional ports - indeed I've taken
to using a funky variant of 'port knocking' on
the supervisory server and even then using SSH
tunnels. The enabler port hosts a little service
and you have to send it something that meets a
certain mathematical criteria. It never signals
success or not, it just does what it does when
the code is right.

And no, NEVER those handy all-purpose remote
server management apps like, well, read the
news ............ big fat bullseye targets ...

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 by: SixOverFive - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 05:56 UTC

On 9/2/21 7:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 02/09/2021 05.58, SixOverFive wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>   I *disable* vi ... replace it with a symlink to nano
>>   and (horrors !) I actually edit sudoers WITHOUT using
>>   visudo !!! Geez, may as well still use edlin to write
>>   documents in Winders. "Electric Pencil" - HERESY !
>
> This is the wrong way to do it.

Oddly, no ...

> Just define the environment var "EDITOR"
>
> EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano
>
> And then visudo will use nano transparently. And many other tools that
> use an editor.

I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
system.

I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....

So .... no vi AT ALL. Verboten. Banished. Mark
the symlink so nobody can change it ... also
a good trick for 'thumbnails' folders and certain
other caches, esp Mozilla products, like to make.
Kinda sorta possibly maybe made sense in the days
of 300-baud dial-up, but NOW it's just de-facto
spyware for the spooks and far worse to exploit.

It IS possible to engineer symlinks to /dev/null
or a temp FS/ramdisk too. A few apps will
cry, wah-wah-wah, but screw 'em. The latest box
I installed has FIVE common cache repositories
redirected to a RAM FS *and* cron/systemd
routines that flush a couple more every few minutes.

Ever see that cute movie "Sonic Hedgehog" ? One
threat issued there was to expose browser history.
SO, no browser histories or any other pointless caches.
The client wasn't worried about porn though, more like
banking/db-related login screens and confidential
employee info. They pay, I make it real. It's a lot
easier to make a sanitary system in Linux than in
Winders though. Winders scatters pointless records
all OVER the place .... part of why it's EVIL.

Oh, check your network maps in Winders ... there
is a little box in properties ... seems Winders
likes to "index" EVERYTHING on your network shares
to "facilitate searches". Turn it OFF - but it WILL
likely take two or three HOURS to get rid of all
those indexes. WHY does MS really want to index your
network shares ... well ... guess ....

'NotePad' appeared in Winders *2* by the way. I found
that out today when I installed Win-2 in a dos VM.

Win2 was a VERY long time ago - no more edlin BS.
Before that I'd even written something a lot LIKE
NotePad in assembler (I was young and thus it was
fun). Heavy use of IBM ROM-BIOS routines made the
code reasonably small. Won't really run now though ...

Ah, wrote that on a Sanyo-550 clone PC. Affordable
and had much better graphics than real IBMs. Alas
the video was NOT directly mappable/compatible and
I needed fully CGA compatible at the time. They
DID offer an expensive ISA card though that WAS
compatible ... jumper wires WERE required ....

MAY still have the Sanyo in a storage shed somewhere.
I wonder if it'll still boot .... ? Think I moved
everything over to DS/quad-density 5 1/4s though ...
still have the "Elephant Memory Systems" sticker
stuck on a wall.

Tried Win-1 but VirtualBox couldn't handle the
video - just garbage characters - plus Win-1 could
not understand PS/2 mice. SOMEWHERE I have Win-1
install floppies - an old boss bought it, and tossed
it a few days later - but I rescued it from the trash.
Prescient I guess.

Win-2 DOES work though, in its horribly crude way.
Win3.11 was indeed "evolutionary" ... but that makes
it less fun somehow ... hell, with a few add-ons
you could network, even internet, with Win3.11.
Remember LANTASTIC - ruined Novell and its $$$
rip-offs.

Oh, in case you wanna try, Win-1/2 are NOT "systems'
per-se, you install DOS2-5 and then install Win IN
them as ordinary apps.

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 by: Marc Haber - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 06:44 UTC

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
> system.

Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
correct places, will survive updates.

> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
> messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....

That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
then.

[two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed]

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:22 UTC

On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>> system.
>
> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
> correct places, will survive updates.

Certainly.

>
>> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
>> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
>> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
>> messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....
>
> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
> then.

Besides, vi is not similar to edlin. It is "ed" which is similar to edlin.

>
> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed]
>

Thanks :-)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 08:44:57 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>> system.
>
> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
> correct places, will survive updates.

~/.bash_profile should be a good place. Have several variables set up in
that file, and they survived there since years.
--
Andreas

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 by: SixOverFive - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 03:48 UTC

On 9/3/21 2:44 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>> system.
>
> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
> correct places, will survive updates.

SOMETIMES though, you can CHEAT. Change the properties of
your symlink so even root can't edit/change/replace it.
The installer may bitch, but SO WHAT.

A backup is to simply make a script you run after updates,
one that once again nukes/renames vi and related and replaces
them with your symlinks/alternatives. You can even run it
at startup so nobody can sneak anything in on you ...

Damned systems WILL do what I WANT them to do ...

If you like to be bossed-around, use Win/IOS.

>> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
>> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
>> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
>> messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....
>
> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
> then.
>
> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed]
>

Try a REAL text editor - Leafpad, Pluma ... your productivity
will increase tenfold, your mistakes and fix-up times will
decrease tenfold. Even nano beats the snot out of vi/vim
and you don't even need a GUI.

Look at it this way, the people who WROTE those surely were
stuck with vi and worse - and HATED it. So, they crafted
IMPROVEMENTS. Stuff HAS happened since Linus had his epiphany
after all. In the early DOS days I *hated* edlin, and spent
the time writing my own "Notepad Lite" because of it. Maybe
WAY back you'd get respect for knowing all the cryptic key
sequences to use stuff like vi, but NOW you're just being
extremely unproductive. Then there's stuff like Latex ... WHY ???
Load LibreOffice or at least AbiWord. "Progress" EXISTS - use
it to make MORE progress. Time didn't stop at Linux v1.0 ...

That's my take.

Now maybe you're more of a "hobbyist" - in which case
unproductivity and such don't really matter. However
when you have a boss who wants stuff YESTERDAY you
DO go for the newer/quicker methods.

Oh, and if you need quick/nice GUI apps, use LAZARUS
instead of the GTK/QT and related crap-documented
hyper-overcomplicated horrors.

The past couple of weeks I've been making VMs of DOS - one DOS6.11
and another of DOS5a - and installing the old-tyme IBM/MS
compilers. Hell, even got Win-2 to start up (it's horrible BTW).
Now all I need are some cross-compilers, x86->ARM and/or PIC32
and/or ATMEL ... gives me ideas .....

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 by: SixOverFive - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 04:31 UTC

On 9/3/21 5:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote:
>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>>> system.
>>
>> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
>> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
>> correct places, will survive updates.
>
> Certainly.

Sometimes you can brute-force certain tweaks by abusing
permissions. It's easier.

>>
>>> I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
>>> 'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
>>> used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
>>> messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....
>>
>> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
>> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
>> then.
>
> Besides, vi is not similar to edlin. It is "ed" which is similar to edlin.
>
>>
>> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed],
>>
>
> Thanks :-)
>

Horrible ? Maybe. BUT if I want systems to boss me around
I'll use Win or IOS.

I've always been a utilitarian, not an ideologist or worshiping
supplicant on my knees. Screw all Grand Schemes - I want
systems/software that will do what *I* want the WAY *I* want.
"Go with the flow" ? I've seen "the flow" dribble into the
sewer drain too often, stuff NEVER gets done ....

Which means I *have it done* while everybody else is still
in the study/planning/meetings stage. People WILL pay for that
too - they just want "X" to work YESTERDAY. I've made about
a 40 year career on "getting it done YESTERDAY" and very few
complaints thereafter. I can put experience from PDP-11s to
microcontrollers to C64s to DOS and UNIX even gawdawful Winders
to work solving THE problem of the day. Sometimes the "brutal"
approach really IS the best fix, the best fix to some MS
or IX designers "vision" that's GETTING IN THE WAY. Sabotaging
"visions" has always kinda been my special power.

So that's where I am coming from.

Others may have different "visions" - all power to you -
but maybe I'll be stealing some of your job security.
Dirty (PC) Jobs, Done (almost) Dirt Cheap" :-)

It's a niche.

Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........

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SixOverFive <hae274c.net> writes:
> SOMETIMES though, you can CHEAT. Change the properties of
> your symlink so even root can't edit/change/replace it.
> The installer may bitch, but SO WHAT.
>
> A backup is to simply make a script you run after updates,
> one that once again nukes/renames vi and related and replaces
> them with your symlinks/alternatives. You can even run it
> at startup so nobody can sneak anything in on you ...
>
> Damned systems WILL do what I WANT them to do ...

Why do you even have vi installed then?

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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 by: Marc Haber - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 08:56 UTC

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>On 9/3/21 5:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 03/09/2021 08.44, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>> I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>>>> set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>>>> than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>>>> KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>>>> system.
>>>
>>> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
>>> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
>>> correct places, will survive updates.
>>
>> Certainly.
>
> Sometimes you can brute-force certain tweaks by abusing
> permissions. It's easier.

It is a horrible idea to work against everything what the smart people
who devised your operating system have come up with. Only Idiots do
that.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:22 UTC

On 04/09/2021 05.48, SixOverFive wrote:
> On 9/3/21 2:44 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>>>    I've done that before, but certain UPDATES have
>>>    set it BACK to the BadOldDays default on more
>>>    than one occasion - ALMOST like Bill Gates just
>>>    KNOWING how you REALLY want to set up his wunnerful
>>>    system.
>>
>> Your Symlinks will be replaced by updates. You're not supposed to
>> peddle with package contents. Environment Variables, set in the
>> correct places, will survive updates.
>
>
>   SOMETIMES though, you can CHEAT. Change the properties of
>   your symlink so even root can't edit/change/replace it.
>   The installer may bitch, but SO WHAT.
>
>   A backup is to simply make a script you run after updates,
>   one that once again nukes/renames vi and related and replaces
>   them with your symlinks/alternatives. You can even run it
>   at startup so nobody can sneak anything in on you  ...
>
>   Damned systems WILL do what I WANT them to do ...
>
>   If you like to be bossed-around, use Win/IOS.
>
>
>>>    I can't relay properly how much I *hate* to see
>>>    'edlin'-style line-oriented editors STILL being
>>>    used in the 2020s. There's some kind of seriously
>>>    messed-up 'thinking' involved here .....
>>
>> That's a matter of style. I switched over from an emacs-type editor to
>> vi at the young age of 49 and I have increased my productivity since
>> then.
>>
>> [two screenful of horrible system administration practice removed]
>>
>
>
>   Try a REAL text editor - Leafpad, Pluma ... your productivity
>   will increase tenfold, your mistakes and fix-up times will
>   decrease tenfold. Even nano beats the snot out of vi/vim
>   and you don't even need a GUI.

BLA BLA BLA removed.

It is fine not to like vi. And the people that designed Linux know this,
and created a simple way to tell the system that you want to use LeafPad
instead, or whatever. Not a cheat. A documented method that works since
and for decades.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:44 UTC

Am 04.09.21 um 06:31 schrieb SixOverFive:
> Horrible ? Maybe. BUT if I want systems to boss me around
> I'll use Win or IOS.
>
> I've always been a utilitarian, not an ideologist or worshiping
> supplicant on my knees. Screw all Grand Schemes - I want
> systems/software that will do what *I* want the WAY *I* want.
> "Go with the flow" ? I've seen "the flow" dribble into the
> sewer drain too often, stuff NEVER gets done ....
>
> Which means I *have it done* while everybody else is still
> in the study/planning/meetings stage. People WILL pay for that
> too - they just want "X" to work YESTERDAY. I've made about
> a 40 year career on "getting it done YESTERDAY" and very few
> complaints thereafter. I can put experience from PDP-11s to
> microcontrollers to C64s to DOS and UNIX even gawdawful Winders
> to work solving THE problem of the day. Sometimes the "brutal"
> approach really IS the best fix, the best fix to some MS
> or IX designers "vision" that's GETTING IN THE WAY. Sabotaging
> "visions" has always kinda been my special power.
>
> So that's where I am coming from.

Tja. On a productive system that is absolutely insane.
*ROTFLSTC*

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De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:46 UTC

Am 04.09.21 um 11:22 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 04/09/2021 05.48, SixOverFive wrote:
>>   Try a REAL text editor - Leafpad, Pluma ... your productivity
>>   will increase tenfold, your mistakes and fix-up times will
>>   decrease tenfold. Even nano beats the snot out of vi/vim
>>   and you don't even need a GUI.
>
> BLA BLA BLA removed.
>
>
> It is fine not to like vi. And the people that designed Linux know this,
> and created a simple way to tell the system that you want to use LeafPad
> instead, or whatever. Not a cheat. A documented method that works since
> and for decades.

*SIC*

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:04 UTC

On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote:

snipp/
>
>   It's a niche.
>
>   Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
>   some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
>   in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
>   a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
>   like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
>   SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........

Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls
beneath the encroaching waters. Somewhere inland would be better
and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be
made of.

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:45 UTC

On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote:

> On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>>
>>>    It's a niche.
>>>
>>>    Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
>>>    some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
>>>    in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
>>>    a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
>>>    like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
>>>    SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........
>>
>>      Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls
>> beneath the encroaching waters.   Somewhere inland would be better
>> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be
>> made of.
>>
>>
>
> I hope that was tongue in cheek.  In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl
> east coast, 8 feet above sea level.  Today still 8 feet above.  Miami is
> sinking because it was built on recovered swampland.  Don't believe the
> hype.
>
> Rinaldi

Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments.
The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when
a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be
sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well.

The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the
crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide
and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The
Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all.

The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places
is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans.

As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes
into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs.

bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all
here We are...

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:42 UTC

On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote:
> On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote:
>>
>> snipp/
>>>
>>>    It's a niche.
>>>
>>>    Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
>>>    some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
>>>    in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
>>>    a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
>>>    like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
>>>    SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........
>>
>>      Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls
>> beneath the encroaching waters.   Somewhere inland would be better
>> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be
>> made of.
>>
>>
>
> I hope that was tongue in cheek.  In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl
> east coast, 8 feet above sea level.  Today still 8 feet above.  Miami is
> sinking because it was built on recovered swampland.  Don't believe the
> hype.
>
> Rinaldi

Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments.
The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when
a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be
sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well.

The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the
crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide
and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The
Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all.

The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places
is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans.

As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes
into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs.

bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all
here We are...

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

Re: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:41 UTC

On 9/4/21 08:28, Rinaldi wrote:
> On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote:
>>
>> snipp/
>>>
>>>    It's a niche.
>>>
>>>    Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
>>>    some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
>>>    in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
>>>    a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
>>>    like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
>>>    SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........
>>
>>      Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls
>> beneath the encroaching waters.   Somewhere inland would be better
>> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be
>> made of.
>>
>>
>
> I hope that was tongue in cheek.  In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl
> east coast, 8 feet above sea level.  Today still 8 feet above.  Miami is
> sinking because it was built on recovered swampland.  Don't believe the
> hype.
>
> Rinaldi

Keep up on the news. New York City lost people in basement apartments.
The Oceans are rising, And the first hint will be when
a heavy rain hits and the water has no place to go. Miami may be
sinking, but the Gulf and Atlantic waters are rising as well.

The oceans are rising because they are pissed at all the
crap and plastic we fill them with and of course the Carbon Dioxide
and methane in our atmosphere our energy crap if you will. The
Ice on Greenland and on Antarctica is melting and coming for us all.

The limestone of Florida and a good many other limey places
is going to dissolve in the acidulated Oceans.

As to what that may do to sea life and when salt intrudes
into Fresh water habitats so long to Salmon and Dugongs.

bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all
here We are...

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?

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From: rm@nunya.inv (Rinaldi)
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Subject: OT Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?
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 by: Rinaldi - Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:28 UTC

On 9/4/21 10:04, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/3/21 21:31, SixOverFive wrote:
>
> snipp/
>>
>>    It's a niche.
>>
>>    Ok, you're safe, I'm about at the retirement point now ...
>>    some little place in Florida with a scraggly palm tree
>>    in the front yard - watch the IT world go to hell from
>>    a safe distance. How'd that old old song go - something
>>    like "All fall down go boom" ? MUST have been about
>>    SolarWinds and Pointy-Haired bosses ...........
>
>     Don't forget your breathing apparatus when Florida falls
> beneath the encroaching waters.   Somewhere inland would be better
> and on hard rack not that porous limestone that Florida seems to be
> made of.
>
>

I hope that was tongue in cheek. In 2001 I bought a condo on the Fl
east coast, 8 feet above sea level. Today still 8 feet above. Miami is
sinking because it was built on recovered swampland. Don't believe the
hype.

Rinaldi

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