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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: Limiting the capacity of SD cards for the pi
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 20:59 UTC

On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <ufbgti$1griu$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Do try Mint. It doesnt work any better once installed, but it is a
>> heck of a sight easier to get installed. They went to a huge
>> amount of trouble on the installation process, and it is built
>> over ubuntu which is built on debian, but the work went in to
>> making it very easy for windows uses to migrate to.
>
>> There are I think four flavours. LXDE - very bare and basic - XFCE.
>> likewise a bit bare and basic, MATE which is very XP like and
>> Cinnamon which is very pretty but I find it less usable than MATE.
>
>> https://linuxmint.com/download.php LXDE seems to no longer be
>> offered
>
> I've tried it! I tried MATE as you suggested. It was a far simpler
> process and it worked out of the box.
>
It usually does. I had a laptop and I tried debianm on it which motsly
worked but didnt have half te software I wanted, then ubuntu which for
some reason didn't work at all, then mint Mate. This has to be back
around 2007.
It Just Worked, and I have stuck with it ever since.
For *what I want on a desktop* it is simply the best.
On servers I am happy with any flavour of debian/ubuntu/mint/Raspios

> It doesn't ask about Languages and assumes USA english which I found
> an issue setting up wifi password that contains a #. But wifi up and
> running and it remembers over a reboot.
>
It should ask what keyboard layout and what dictionaries to use somewhere.
These are configurable vi the keyboard app and the language app in the
control centre

> Yes, I will get around to partition shrinking but before then I tried
> sharing a folder via smb. No, looked it up on line how to do it, all
> the suggested menu options don't exist so I assume this is because
> it's on a usb device not a proper install. Shame cos without sharing
> it's about as much use as ...
>

Oh, no that will work OK

I don't use it these days but IIRC the safe and fast way to get it to
work is to edit /etc/smb.conf

I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
client, not the server.

You need to use the synaptic package manager to install it (samba)

Then the setup stuff will work.
Samba is veryt solid these days

> But later I'll try shrinking partitions - AGAIN.
>
> Bob.
>

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 by: Bob Latham - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 19:32 UTC

In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:

> > I
> > tried sharing a folder via smb. No, looked it up on line how to
> > do it, all the suggested menu options don't exist so I assume
> > this is because it's on a usb device not a proper install. Shame
> > cos without sharing it's about as much use as ...
> >

> Oh, no that will work OK

> I don't use it these days but IIRC the safe and fast way to get it
> to work is to edit /etc/smb.conf

> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
> client, not the server.

Bloody Linux.

I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
this.

> You need to use the synaptic package manager to install it (samba)

I can so see why despite claims from the linux people that everything
is sorted now and linux is just like windows the truth is anything
but. To do the simplest of day one things you're in the command line.

After 20 years plus still the same story.

> Then the setup stuff will work. Samba is veryt solid these days

Linux is for geeks, not ordinary folk.

Bob.

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 by: Jean-Pierre Kuypers - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 19:43 UTC

In article (Dans l'article) <5aed2feb92bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob
Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote (écrivait) :

> claims from the linux people that everything is sorted now and linux
> is just like windows

Let's remain confident that the situation has not become so
catastrophic, have we?...

--
Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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 by: druck - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 20:13 UTC

On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
>> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
>> client, not the server.
>
> Bloody Linux.
>
> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
> believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
> this.

As TNT says it has the client which allows you to access shares on
Windows, it does not have the server installed by default, which isn't
needed unless you want Windows machines to access shares on it.

It's part of the Linux philosophy NOT to shovel in and enable every
possible network service by default, potentially exposing security
vulnerabilities.

Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt install
and one config file to edit. Google better chat sites!
---druck

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Mon, 2 Oct 2023 20:21 UTC

On Mon, 02 Oct 2023 20:32:53 +0100
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> Bloody Linux.
>
> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
> believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
> this.

It's no fun getting Windows to talk NFS either. Still on my BSD NAS
I just installed samba and edited smb4.conf to set up a bunch of SMB shares.

> I can so see why despite claims from the linux people that everything
> is sorted now and linux is just like windows the truth is anything

What a horrible thought, what's the point of a difference that
makes no difference?

> but. To do the simplest of day one things you're in the command line.

Where else would you want to be ? All this new fangled gooey WIMP
stuff will never catch on.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 07:49 UTC

On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:
>
>>> I
>>> tried sharing a folder via smb. No, looked it up on line how to
>>> do it, all the suggested menu options don't exist so I assume
>>> this is because it's on a usb device not a proper install. Shame
>>> cos without sharing it's about as much use as ...
>>>
>
>> Oh, no that will work OK
>
>> I don't use it these days but IIRC the safe and fast way to get it
>> to work is to edit /etc/smb.conf
>
>> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
>> client, not the server.
>
> Bloody Linux.
>
> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
> believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
> this.
>
>> You need to use the synaptic package manager to install it (samba)
>
> I can so see why despite claims from the linux people that everything
> is sorted now and linux is just like windows the truth is anything
> but. To do the simplest of day one things you're in the command line.
>
> After 20 years plus still the same story.
>
>> Then the setup stuff will work. Samba is veryt solid these days
>
> Linux is for geeks, not ordinary folk.
>
No, its just not windows, that's all.

If you install a distro that is optimised as desktop CLIENT why would
you expect it to serve as a SERVER?

The fundamental difference is the Linux is not 'install once and
everything you never needed is now loaded on your computer, which is now
as lively as Brian the snail'

A core linux of what you *probably* want *most* is installed, and the
rest *should you require it* is only three mouse clicks and a password away.

Its the price you pay for flexibility and efficiency.

> Bob.
>

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 07:50 UTC

On 02/10/2023 20:43, Jean-Pierre Kuypers wrote:
> In article (Dans l'article) <5aed2feb92bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob
> Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote (écrivait) :
>
>> claims from the linux people that everything is sorted now and linux
>> is just like windows
>
> Let's remain confident that the situation has not become so
> catastrophic, have we?...
>
LOL!
--
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:11 UTC

In article <uff894$32fdh$3@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
> >> client, not the server.
> >
> > Bloody Linux.
> >
> > I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
> > standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would
> > you believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to
> > run to add this.

> As TNT says it has the client which allows you to access shares on
> Windows, it does not have the server installed by default, which
> isn't needed unless you want Windows machines to access shares on
> it.

Yes, I get that fair enough.

> It's part of the Linux philosophy NOT to shovel in and enable every
> possible network service by default, potentially exposing security
> vulnerabilities.

Yes, okay. But surely for a "sorted now" OS something better than
this should be default now. Is it really that hard to add a switch
just like in windows to enable features? A switch to enable samba
server is that really a surrender? Maybe even another with
*warnings*, about enabling SMB1 for those that need it.

Does linux want to be main stream?

> Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt
> install

Not yet seen that command unless it's the same as for raspi ie.
sudo apt-get install samba samba-common-bin
Bet it isn't, that would be too easy. :)

> and one config file to edit.

smb.conf I assume. I am a little familiar with that.

> Google better chat sites!

How do you know which ones are better than the linux mint chat group?

Not had much luck yet with google searching. I've looked at this
synaptic whatever and searched for samba and it lists dozens of files
and packages do I need one or all of them - not much in the way of
help or clues.

I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!

Bob.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:31 UTC

In article <ufgh2v$3ef71$12@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:
> >

[Snip]

> >
> >> Then the setup stuff will work. Samba is veryt solid these days
> >
> > Linux is for geeks, not ordinary folk.
> >
> No, its just not windows, that's all.

> If you install a distro that is optimised as desktop CLIENT why
> would you expect it to serve as a SERVER?

I didn't know it was optimised in such a way, how would I know that?
Did i have a choice in that decision?

> The fundamental difference is the Linux is not 'install once and
> everything you never needed is now loaded on your computer, which
> is now as lively as Brian the snail'

Okay, I get that. Fair enough but....

> A core linux of what you *probably* want *most* is installed, and
> the rest *should you require it* is only three mouse clicks and a
> password away.

1. Why isn't it just a switch in an add functionality box?

Just like Control Panel => Programs and Features => Turn Windows
Features On and Off. You switch something on and it installs what is
needed automagically.

2. Having failed 1 above, why is there not easy to find help to
advise which mouse clicks?

> Its the price you pay for flexibility and efficiency.

Not really is it?
It's the price you pay for using an OS that doesn't give you easy to
use functionality choices. It prefers to let you fish around on
google for hours and still not find the answer.

Imagine right button clicking a folder, an option in the menu is
share folder. You click it. It then links you to a text file that
explains the service needs to be installed and how to do it.

Off and on, I've spent two days on this and still don't have the
answers.

Bob.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:39 UTC

On 03/10/2023 09:11, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <uff894$32fdh$3@dont-email.me>,
> druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
>>> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
>>>> client, not the server.
>>>
>>> Bloody Linux.
>>>
>>> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
>>> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would
>>> you believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to
>>> run to add this.
>
>> As TNT says it has the client which allows you to access shares on
>> Windows, it does not have the server installed by default, which
>> isn't needed unless you want Windows machines to access shares on
>> it.
>
> Yes, I get that fair enough.
>
>> It's part of the Linux philosophy NOT to shovel in and enable every
>> possible network service by default, potentially exposing security
>> vulnerabilities.
>
> Yes, okay. But surely for a "sorted now" OS something better than
> this should be default now. Is it really that hard to add a switch
> just like in windows to enable features? A switch to enable samba
> server is that really a surrender? Maybe even another with
> *warnings*, about enabling SMB1 for those that need it.
>
> Does linux want to be main stream?
>
It already is. More servers run Linux than anything else.
Just not in PC world or Currys.

>> Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt
>> install
>
> Not yet seen that command unless it's the same as for raspi ie.
> sudo apt-get install samba samba-common-bin
> Bet it isn't, that would be too easy. :)
>
Of course its that easy.

In fact, its even easier, because there is a nice windows like
application called 'synaptic' that you will find in the main menu down
the left hand column - its called 'package manager' . Windows doesn't
have it, because you have to spend money to install things on Windows.
This is free.

If you invoke that and search for 'samba' and scroll down till you find
the package called 'samba' and select it and than install that
selection. Samba will magically be installed and due to the amazingly
clever design of Linux you wont even have to reboot the computer

>> and one config file to edit.
>
> smb.conf I assume. I am a little familiar with that.
>
>> Google better chat sites!
>
> How do you know which ones are better than the linux mint chat group?
>
> Not had much luck yet with google searching. I've looked at this
> synaptic whatever and searched for samba and it lists dozens of files
> and packages do I need one or all of them - not much in the way of
> help or clues.
>
just 'SAMBA' itself which is described as:

"SMB/CIFS file, print, and login *server* for Unix."

> I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!
>
It isn't.

It's just not dumbed down totally to the point of being unusable.

Fundamentally you have installed a pretty good version of Linux, but you
want to do something that isn't the installation default.

So you need to learn how to install a package.

That's all.

Two ways - use the command line which is quicker if you are au fait with
it, and know exactly what you want, or use synaptic to do it the
'windows way'

> Bob.
>

--
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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:49 UTC

On 03/10/2023 09:31, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <ufgh2v$3ef71$12@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
>>> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:
>>>
>
> [Snip]
>
>>>
>>>> Then the setup stuff will work. Samba is veryt solid these days
>>>
>>> Linux is for geeks, not ordinary folk.
>>>
>> No, its just not windows, that's all.
>
>> If you install a distro that is optimised as desktop CLIENT why
>> would you expect it to serve as a SERVER?
>
> I didn't know it was optimised in such a way, how would I know that?
> Did i have a choice in that decision?
>
>> The fundamental difference is the Linux is not 'install once and
>> everything you never needed is now loaded on your computer, which
>> is now as lively as Brian the snail'
>
> Okay, I get that. Fair enough but....
>
>> A core linux of what you *probably* want *most* is installed, and
>> the rest *should you require it* is only three mouse clicks and a
>> password away.
>
> 1. Why isn't it just a switch in an add functionality box?
>
> Just like Control Panel => Programs and Features => Turn Windows
> Features On and Off. You switch something on and it installs what is
> needed automagically.

Interesting point. You might suggest that to the Mint developers. They
did something very similar with device drivers

>
> 2. Having failed 1 above, why is there not easy to find help to
> advise which mouse clicks?
>
>> Its the price you pay for flexibility and efficiency.
>
> Not really is it?
> It's the price you pay for using an OS that doesn't give you easy to
> use functionality choices. It prefers to let you fish around on
> google for hours and still not find the answer.

They are easy to use and easy tro find

https://linuxgenie.net/how-to-install-and-configure-samba-on-linux-mint-21-2/

the first thing I found

>
> Imagine right button clicking a folder, an option in the menu is
> share folder. You click it. It then links you to a text file that
> explains the service needs to be installed and how to do it.
Linux is not windows, It doesn't do windows serving by default. No one
dies windows serving by default. Windows serveing is a ghastly morass of
permissions and restrictions. Even windows post about XOP wont allow you
to share without delving into the registry from memory.
>
> Off and on, I've spent two days on this and still don't have the
> answers.
>
Patience grasshopper. You are doing really well. Better than my 80+ year
old friends do with their i-phones.

Full of applications that they neither need nor want with no way to
remove them and no way to shut them down, and a 'dont ring' button
placed exactly where your thumb will press it when picking the phone up
to talk. And an instruction manual that says 'before you start insert
SIM' with no instructions as to who this is to be done whatsoever.
And when you do get it going you need 'your apple psssword' 'your apple
'; at various stages and they haven't a clue what those are.

If you think Linux is shit, you don't own an I-phone where the merest
brush against your face will terminate a call.

>
> Bob.
>

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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 by: Pancho - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:52 UTC

On 03/10/2023 09:11, Bob Latham wrote:

>
> I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!
>

lol, difficult, compared to MS Windows workgroups, etc?

I think you have rose-tinted spectacles.

Nowadays, I have a magic combination of File Explorer menu commands and
command line USE statements to mount and preserve remote network drive
mounts on Windows. But on balance, I find Linux SAMBA/fstab mounts easier.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:57 UTC

On 03/10/2023 09:52, Pancho wrote:
> On 03/10/2023 09:11, Bob Latham wrote:
>
>>
>> I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!
>>
>
> lol, difficult, compared to MS Windows workgroups, etc?
>

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/networking/cannot-access-shared-folder-file-explorer

two pages of 'I cant get microsoft windows 10 to share files' support.

> I think you have rose-tinted spectacles.
>
> Nowadays, I have a magic combination of File Explorer menu commands  and
> command line USE statements to mount and preserve remote network drive
> mounts on Windows. But on balance, I find Linux SAMBA/fstab mounts easier.
>

Since the divorce, and the OS/X gone with her, I don't use samba anymore
But if someone turns up with a windows machine and needs access it can
be installed in minutes

And removed even faster.

--
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hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 09:42 UTC

In article <ufgjvt$3fdl6$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/10/2023 09:11, Bob Latham wrote:

> > Does linux want to be main stream?
> >
> It already is. More servers run Linux than anything else.
> Just not in PC world or Currys.

Ordinary Joes do not work on servers. That is specialist. And before
you say it, I know a samba share is a server but a very domestic one.

> >> Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt
> >> install
> >
> > Not yet seen that command unless it's the same as for raspi ie.
> > sudo apt-get install samba samba-common-bin
> > Bet it isn't, that would be too easy. :)
> >
> Of course its that easy.

So is it exactly the same command?
Important as other method failed see later...

> In fact, its even easier, because there is a nice windows like
> application called 'synaptic' that you will find in the main menu
> down the left hand column - its called 'package manager' .

Okay, yes I've seen that and tried to use it.

> Windows doesn't have it, because you have to spend money to install
> things on Windows. This is free.

Hmmm. Well yes you have to buy windows but you can add packages from
control panel that install without extra cost.

> If you invoke that and search for 'samba' and scroll down till you
> find the package called 'samba' and select it and than install
> that selection.

> Samba will magically be installed and due to the
> amazingly clever design of Linux you wont even have to reboot the
> computer

> >> and one config file to edit.
> >
> > smb.conf I assume. I am a little familiar with that.
> >
> >> Google better chat sites!
> >
> > How do you know which ones are better than the linux mint chat
> > group?
> >
> > Not had much luck yet with google searching. I've looked at this
> > synaptic whatever and searched for samba and it lists dozens of
> > files and packages do I need one or all of them - not much in the
> > way of help or clues.
> >
> just 'SAMBA' itself which is described as:

> "SMB/CIFS file, print, and login *server* for Unix."

Right I didn't know that package was down there I'll be honest. I did
find it after your comments. Certainly anything but obvious way down
the list following a search for just SAMBA. I assumed it would be all
packages listed but was very unsure and hesitant to commit to that.

I selected the package. I set it going. It advised about changes it
was going to make.

It downloaded some items and failed to download 3 others.

W:Failed to fetch
http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba_4.15.13%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]

W:Failed to fetch
http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba-dsdb-modules_4.15%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]

W:Failed to fetch
http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba-vfs-modules_4.15.13%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]

"amazingly clever" :-)

> > I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!
> >
> It isn't.

Apparently, it is !!

> It's just not dumbed down totally to the point of being unusable.

Providing switches, information and links would not have any impact
to make it "unusable".

> Fundamentally you have installed a pretty good version of Linux,
> but you want to do something that isn't the installation default.

I can agree that.

> So you need to learn how to install a package.

Quite a task it seems.

> That's all.

:-) :-)

> Two ways - use the command line which is quicker if you are au fait
> with it, and know exactly what you want, or use synaptic to do it
> the 'windows way'

As the "windows way" failed, could you confirm the exact command
please.

Thank you.

Bob.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 10:24 UTC

In article <ufgkji$3fh4g$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/10/2023 09:31, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <ufgh2v$3ef71$12@dont-email.me>,
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
> >>> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 01/10/2023 20:25, Bob Latham wrote:
> >>>
> >
> > [Snip]

> >
> > 2. Having failed 1 above, why is there not easy to find help to
> > advise which mouse clicks?
> >
> >> Its the price you pay for flexibility and efficiency.
> >
> > Not really is it?
> > It's the price you pay for using an OS that doesn't give you easy to
> > use functionality choices. It prefers to let you fish around on
> > google for hours and still not find the answer.

> They are easy to use and easy tro find

> https://linuxgenie.net/how-to-install-and-configure-samba-on-linux-mint-21-2/

Trying that advice right now...

> the first thing I found

Clearly you're better at the google action than me.

> > Imagine right button clicking a folder, an option in the menu is
> > share folder. You click it. It then links you to a text file that
> > explains the service needs to be installed and how to do it.

> Linux is not windows,

True. :-)

> It doesn't do windows serving by default. No
> one dies windows serving by default. Windows serveing is a ghastly
> morass of permissions and restrictions.

That may be true but it works for me and easily.

> Even windows post about XOP wont allow you to share without delving
> into the registry from memory.

Not been near the registry to get my PC sharing.

> > Off and on, I've spent two days on this and still don't have the
> > answers.

> >
> Patience grasshopper. You are doing really well. Better than my 80+
> year old friends do with their i-phones.

Thanks for that. :-)

> If you think Linux is shit, you don't own an I-phone where the
> merest brush against your face will terminate a call.

I've given the wrong impression then. I don't think Linux is crap,
not at all. I think it's fine especially for things like pi, routers,
NAS boxes etc. The problem for me is one of finding information and
realising that with a linux desktop you can do very, very little
without getting into command line. It rubs me up the wrong way when
folks talk about Linux desktop being as "sorted" as windows cos it
ain't, not by a long, long way.

Still trying to install samba....

Bob.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:06 UTC

On 03/10/2023 10:42, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <ufgjvt$3fdl6$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 03/10/2023 09:11, Bob Latham wrote:
>
>>> Does linux want to be main stream?
>>>
>> It already is. More servers run Linux than anything else.
>> Just not in PC world or Currys.
>
> Ordinary Joes do not work on servers. That is specialist. And before
> you say it, I know a samba share is a server but a very domestic one.
>
>>>> Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt
>>>> install
>>>
>>> Not yet seen that command unless it's the same as for raspi ie.
>>> sudo apt-get install samba samba-common-bin
>>> Bet it isn't, that would be too easy. :)
>>>
>> Of course its that easy.
>
> So is it exactly the same command?
> Important as other method failed see later...
>
>> In fact, its even easier, because there is a nice windows like
>> application called 'synaptic' that you will find in the main menu
>> down the left hand column - its called 'package manager' .
>
> Okay, yes I've seen that and tried to use it.
>
>> Windows doesn't have it, because you have to spend money to install
>> things on Windows. This is free.
>
> Hmmm. Well yes you have to buy windows but you can add packages from
> control panel that install without extra cost.
>
>> If you invoke that and search for 'samba' and scroll down till you
>> find the package called 'samba' and select it and than install
>> that selection.
>
>> Samba will magically be installed and due to the
>> amazingly clever design of Linux you wont even have to reboot the
>> computer
>
>>>> and one config file to edit.
>>>
>>> smb.conf I assume. I am a little familiar with that.
>>>
>>>> Google better chat sites!
>>>
>>> How do you know which ones are better than the linux mint chat
>>> group?
>>>
>>> Not had much luck yet with google searching. I've looked at this
>>> synaptic whatever and searched for samba and it lists dozens of
>>> files and packages do I need one or all of them - not much in the
>>> way of help or clues.
>>>
>> just 'SAMBA' itself which is described as:
>
>> "SMB/CIFS file, print, and login *server* for Unix."
>
> Right I didn't know that package was down there I'll be honest. I did
> find it after your comments. Certainly anything but obvious way down
> the list following a search for just SAMBA. I assumed it would be all
> packages listed but was very unsure and hesitant to commit to that.
>
> I selected the package. I set it going. It advised about changes it
> was going to make.
>
> It downloaded some items and failed to download 3 others.
>
>
> W:Failed to fetch
> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba_4.15.13%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
> 404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]
>
>
> W:Failed to fetch
> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba-dsdb-modules_4.15%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
> 404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]
>
>
> W:Failed to fetch
> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//pool/main/s/samba/samba-vfs-modules_4.15.13%2bdfsq-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb
> 404 Not Found [IP:91:189.91.80]
>
>
> "amazingly clever" :-)
>
>
>>> I can't believe it's so hard to get a "sorted" OS to share !!
>>>
>> It isn't.
>
> Apparently, it is !!
>
>> It's just not dumbed down totally to the point of being unusable.
>
> Providing switches, information and links would not have any impact
> to make it "unusable".
>
>> Fundamentally you have installed a pretty good version of Linux,
>> but you want to do something that isn't the installation default.
>
> I can agree that.
>
>> So you need to learn how to install a package.
>
> Quite a task it seems.
>
>> That's all.
>
> :-) :-)
>
>
>> Two ways - use the command line which is quicker if you are au fait
>> with it, and know exactly what you want, or use synaptic to do it
>> the 'windows way'
>
> As the "windows way" failed, could you confirm the exact command
> please.
>
sudo apt-get install samba -y.

But it looks like you MAY have some issue unrelated to samba with your
installations set to point to servers that are not present .

> Thank you.
>
> Bob.
>

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"Saki"

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:13 UTC

On 03/10/2023 11:24, Bob Latham wrote:

>
>> If you think Linux is shit, you don't own an I-phone where the
>> merest brush against your face will terminate a call.
>
> I've given the wrong impression then. I don't think Linux is crap,
> not at all. I think it's fine especially for things like pi, routers,
> NAS boxes etc. The problem for me is one of finding information and
> realising that with a linux desktop you can do very, very little
> without getting into command line.

That is simply not true. See Synaptic in this isntance.

And even if it were, so what?

>It rubs me up the wrong way when
> folks talk about Linux desktop being as "sorted" as windows cos it
> ain't, not by a long, long way.
>
It is.
You just want it to work in the same way a massively overpriced piece of
shit pre-installed on a computer by someone else and designed to sell,
but not to work, operates.

The point is that the reasons why linux works *better*, come at a price,
and that price is learning the basics of how to install new software
and update existing. Its no different from the apple store or google
play on a mobile

You have far more choices, but you have to learn how to exercise those
choices

> Still trying to install samba....
>
I don't like those 404 not found messages.

If the installation fails with more of those, we may need to look into
things more

>
> Bob.
>

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:31 UTC

On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:24:18 +0100, Bob Latham wrote:

> Still trying to install samba....
>
Have you looked at this page? https://wiki.samba.org
Or this one? https://www.liquidweb.com

Most major applications like Samba have their own website and its
typically the best place to look when adding a new application to your
Linux system. Took me one search using "Installing Samba" as the search
text to find those links.

I used DuckDuckGo, not the Google search engine, which I haven't touched
for years.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:40 UTC

On 03/10/2023 12:31, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:24:18 +0100, Bob Latham wrote:
>
>> Still trying to install samba....
>>
> Have you looked at this page? https://wiki.samba.org
> Or this one? https://www.liquidweb.com
>
> Most major applications like Samba have their own website and its
> typically the best place to look when adding a new application to your
> Linux system. Took me one search using "Installing Samba" as the search
> text to find those links.
>
> I used DuckDuckGo, not the Google search engine, which I haven't touched
> for years.
>
>

Google works OK.

Installing samba should be trivial, but it looks like Bob has a weird
and broken repository list.

Probably synaptic needs setting to its default repository and an update
and upgrade performing, to normalise.

Bob: Did you do those as part of the installation?

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade -y

????

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:03 UTC

In article <ufgt0o$3h430$5@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/10/2023 11:24, Bob Latham wrote:

> >
> >> If you think Linux is shit, you don't own an I-phone where the
> >> merest brush against your face will terminate a call.
> >
> > I've given the wrong impression then. I don't think Linux is
> > crap, not at all. I think it's fine especially for things like
> > pi, routers, NAS boxes etc. The problem for me is one of finding
> > information and realising that with a linux desktop you can do
> > very, very little without getting into command line.

> That is simply not true. See Synaptic in this isntance.

Which didn't work I'll remind you. I tried it twice it failed both
times.

> And even if it were, so what?

After web surfing and writing an email configuring it is hard to do
and very techie so only technical people go near it.

> >It rubs me up the wrong way when folks talk about Linux desktop
> > being as "sorted" as windows cos it ain't, not by a long, long
> > way.
> >
> It is. You just want it to work in the same way a massively
> overpriced piece of shit pre-installed on a computer by someone
> else and designed to sell, but not to work, operates.

I don't think that is fair at all.

> The point is that the reasons why linux works *better*, come at a
> price, and that price is learning the basics of how to install new
> software and update existing.

But it didn't work. Twice.

> > Still trying to install samba....
> >
> I don't like those 404 not found messages.

> If the installation fails with more of those, we may need to look
> into things more

The installation failed with 3 not founds. It didn't work, it is
broken.

This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired, shuffled
off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin'
choir invisible!! You get the idea. :-)

But....

Anyway, I've got further with the link you gave me and the commands
therein. They worked without error.

I briefly hoped this would add a share tab to folder properties but
no such luck.

To smb.conf I added the same as the article suggested.

I now have a shared folder which I can "see" from the pc. Can't get
in though.

I tried to create an smb user called "bob" using :
sudo smbpasswd -a bob

It then asked for the password twice
test
test
I got: failed to add entry for user bob.

Excellent, I thought .

So I thought maybe you can only create a user for the same id as who
is logged into the machine.

I had not logged in as such it didn't ask me to but I think I was
logged as "mint"

I tried sudo smbpasswd -a mint
test
test
added a user ! it worked.

Maybe I was correct ???.

restart
sudo systemctl restart smbd

I can see the share from the pc, I can put in my new user and
password but it will not let me in.

Just to experiment I tried:
sudo smbpasswd -a root
test
test
added a user ! it allowed that.
sudo systemctl restart smbd

credentials didn't let me in though.

Permissions obviously but where??.

Still I'm further along slightly.

It's odd because on a pi I share the root in just a few seconds and
it works fine eveytime.

Bob.

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 by: Jim Jackson - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:49 UTC

On 2023-10-02, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> Bloody Linux.
>
> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
> believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
> this.
>
>> You need to use the synaptic package manager to install it (samba)
>
> I can so see why despite claims from the linux people that everything
> is sorted now and linux is just like windows the truth is anything
> but. To do the simplest of day one things you're in the command line.
>
> After 20 years plus still the same story.
>
>> Then the setup stuff will work. Samba is veryt solid these days
>
> Linux is for geeks, not ordinary folk.

Surely if you are messing around with Raspberry pi's like you are then
you are a geek! Ordinary folk don't do that.

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 by: Jim Jackson - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:54 UTC

On 2023-10-02, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 02/10/2023 20:32, Bob Latham wrote:
>> In article <ufcmk9$2gith$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> I don't think it is installed by default on Mint however. Only the
>>> client, not the server.
>>
>> Bloody Linux.
>>
>> I installed an operating system that doesn't have working SMB as
>> standard. I then start googling how to add this essential. Would you
>> believe there are chat sites with long scripts you have to run to add
>> this.
>
> As TNT says it has the client which allows you to access shares on
> Windows, it does not have the server installed by default, which isn't
> needed unless you want Windows machines to access shares on it.
>
> It's part of the Linux philosophy NOT to shovel in and enable every
> possible network service by default, potentially exposing security
> vulnerabilities.
>
> Installing samba sever does not need long scripts, it is one apt install
> and one config file to edit. Google better chat sites!

Indeed, I googled
linux raspberry pi installing smb server

and got ...

https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-samba/

looks like this guy handholds you through it. However as I have already
said, it one is doing this sort of stuff then you are de facto a geek
and if one isn't upto the smarts to cope then any number of handholding
tutorials aren't going to get one there.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:55 UTC

In article <ufguj4$3hg5q$3@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/10/2023 12:31, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:24:18 +0100, Bob Latham wrote:
> >
> >> Still trying to install samba....
> >>
> > Have you looked at this page? https://wiki.samba.org

No I hadn't but I have now. I've had a reasonable look but it doesn't
seem to tell me what I need to know, it's on another level. I looked
at installation and it talks about

Package dependences
File system support
Build samba from source
Distribution specific Package Installation.

I admit nothing there looks helpful to me, yes I'm thick.

> > Or this one? https://www.liquidweb.com

That appears to be an advert for a hosting company.

But thanks for trying to help.

> Installing samba should be trivial,

It should.

> but it looks like Bob has a weird and broken repository list.

I've had this install a couple of days, I'm sure its exactly as it
installed.

> Probably synaptic needs setting to its default repository and an
> update and upgrade performing, to normalise.

> Bob: Did you do those as part of the installation?

> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get upgrade -y

I did but to be honest, I'm not sure when. It may have been when
following the instructions in the command line link you gave me.

permissions permisions, permissions.

Bob.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 13:02 UTC

In article <slrnuho3ed.hgf.jj@iridium.wf32df>,
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

> Surely if you are messing around with Raspberry pi's like you are
> then you are a geek! Ordinary folk don't do that.

:-)

First off I didn't mean geek as an insult.
Second I don't consider myself good enough to be a geek.

I agree that normal folk don't mess like I do. :-)

Bob.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:59 UTC

In article <slrnuho3oh.hgf.jj@iridium.wf32df>,
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

> Indeed, I googled
>
> linux raspberry pi installing smb server

> and got ...

> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-samba/

> looks like this guy handholds you through it. However as I have
> already said, it one is doing this sort of stuff then you are de
> facto a geek and if one isn't upto the smarts to cope then any
> number of handholding tutorials aren't going to get one there.

I have been using samba shares on rasberrypi for at least 10 years.
I've installed dozens of them and they work fine takes 10 minutes.

One command to install.
tweak smb.conf
set passwords.
restart server.

Working

But not so mint!

Bob.

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