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* Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Ant
+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Roger Blake
+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Bobbie Sellers
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Joerg Lorenz
|     +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|     +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Bobbie Sellers
|     `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Charlie Gibbs
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
| `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Andreas Kohlbach
|   |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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|   | |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|   | | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |  `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   | |   +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
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|   | |   |  `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |   +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Andreas Kohlbach
|   | |   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |    +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |    |`* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |    | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
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|   | |    +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
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|   | |    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
|   | |     `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|   | |      |+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|   | |      |+- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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|   | |      |     +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
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|   | |      |     |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |      |     `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |      |      +- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      |      `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |      |       `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |      |        +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Richard Kettlewell
|   | |      |        |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SevenOverSix
|   | |      |        `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | |      `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Tauno Voipio
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|   | |         `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   | `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|   |  `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|    +* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
|    |`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
|    `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
|     `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?SixOverFive
+* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Marc Haber
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|   `* Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Carlos E. R.
|    `- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?Stéphane CARPENTIER
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|`- Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?The Natural Philosopher
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 by: Ant - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 23:22 UTC

I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

Setup details:

Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
(PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).

Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
optical Logitech mouse.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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 by: Roger Blake - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 00:14 UTC

On 2021-08-30, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

I'm running Lubuntu 18.04 on a 2004-vintage Centrino laptop, and Debian 11
with LXDE on an Asus Eee netbook from 2009. These are 32-bit 2GB systems
with small SSDs installed. They're not speed demons but work fine. Don't
expect to play HD video but SD works OK. (Though maybe with your video
card you'll have better results.) I expect you'll do all right running
Debian 11 on your setup. Some additional memory wouldn't be a bad idea.

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 00:57 UTC

On 8/30/21 16:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?

If you switch to PCLinuxOS 64 you will have plenty of updates nearly
every week. Rolling releases like PCL are kept much more
up-to-date than Outfits like Debian that only publish wnen prepared
to deal with the problems a new release creates for so many people

>
> Setup details:
>
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).
>
> Connected to an old (Y2K) Belkin Omni Cube (2-port; PS/2 and VGA) KVM to
> share a 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor (LED; 2 ms,
> 9/2014, etc.), a Dell 104-key PS/2 keyboard, and a three-buttons PS/2
> optical Logitech mouse.
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>

bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos.

keeping my used Dell Latitudes working with kernel 5.13.13 and KDE
Frameworks 5.85.0 Qt 5.15.2 (built against 5.15.2) The xcb windowing system

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 03:39 UTC

On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
Try Linux Mint Mate
Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
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 by: SixOverFive - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 05:07 UTC

Hell YES.

Debian is really NOT a "heavy" OS. Indeed it
can be super-Spartan. Look at Slitaz ....
measures in MEGAbytes.

Deb + LXDE or OpenBox will run quite well on
even decade+ year old hardware.

No, you can't run the latest video games or
live-process video - but for 95% of common
purposes it'll be GREAT.

This missive is from an N200-based subnotebook,
which is about the speed/capacity of a decade+
old Pentium-3 with 32gb. MX Linux with LXDE
(XFCE is in reserve). Deb can be made quite
nice with even less than MX includes. You can
try the 'X' part of MX .. antiX ... but the
GUI *is* clunkier.

After going through ALL the distros, I recommend
vanilla Deb with a light GUI over all others.
Efficient, no BS. Add what you want and skip
the rest. Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
tricks though :-)

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 by: Marc Haber - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:59 UTC

[Please don't crosspost this wildly in the future, and at least set a
Followup-To: header]

ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
>Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
>Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
>motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
>(PC2-6400; 400 MHz),EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
>of VRAM),

Do yourself the favor and upgrade your RAM to 8 GB, if the board
allows that. Be careful not to exceed the remaining value of the
entire machine doing so. And expect that the nVidia driver will not
support the old graphics card any more.

Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
recent, probably used, box.

Greetings
Marc
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 by: Marc Haber - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:01 UTC

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
>tricks though

|[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
|APT {
| Install-Recommends "false";
| Install-Suggests "false";
|};
| |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $

Greetings
Marc
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:46 UTC

On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:

>And expect that the nVidia driver will not
>support the old graphics card any more.

> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
> recent, probably used, box.

Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.

295.49 is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least
Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its
installation at install time

4GB RAM is enough for a basic modern distro.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:50 UTC

On 31/08/2021 10:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> >And expect that the nVidia driver will not
> >support the old graphics card any more.
>
>> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
>> recent, probably used, box.
>
>
> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>
> 295.49  is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least
> Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its
> installation at install time
>
Sorry - that's semi obsolete 340.108 is the latest one - last updated 2019

I've used that one on a very old laptop, before it died...its OK.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:57 UTC

On 31/08/2021 10:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 10:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 31/08/2021 09:59, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>  >And expect that the nVidia driver will not
>>  >support the old graphics card any more.
>>
>>> Consider ditching the entire machine and replacing it with a more
>>> recent, probably used, box.
>>
>>
>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>>
>> 295.49  is the driver that will be needed. It is likely that at least
>> Ubuntu/Mint will have that in the repository and suggest its
>> installation at install time
>>
> Sorry - that's semi obsolete 340.108 is the latest one - last updated 2019
>
> I've used that one on a very old laptop, before it died...its OK.
>
It is currently in use on a machine here -part of Linux Mint 20 distro.
and installed automatically.

But the generic Linux nouveau driver is adequate, if slower

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:04 UTC

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:22:37 -0500, Ant wrote:
>
> Setup details:
>
> Intel Core 2 Q8200 (quad-core; default clock speeds; Socket 775 LGA;
> Yorkfield) with a Scythe Andy Master 120mm CPU cooler (SCASM-1000),
> Antec Sonata Proto mid tower ATX case, MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
> motherboard (latest BIOS), two 1 GB of Crucial RAM (Samsung DDR2 800
> (PC2-6400; 400 MHz), EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT PCIE video card (512 MB
> of VRAM), onboard RealTek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> and Intel High Digital Audio (HDA), 600 watts Sea Sonic S12 PSU, ASUS TV
> Tuner Card 880 NTSC (cx23880), Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model
> DVR-218LBK LabelFlash Support, 3.5" floppy disk drive, Corsair Force
> Series F115 Solid-State Disk (SSD) (115 GB; CSSD-F115GB2-BRKT-A), two
> internal 3.5" SATA hard disk drives (HDDs) [Seagate ST3320620AS 320 GB
> and Western Digital Purple Surveillance 2 TB (6 Gbs; 50 MB cache; WDC
> WD20PURX-64P6ZY0)], Sabrent USB2+memory card reader front panel, and an
> Intel InBusiness 10/100 (82559) NIC (not connected). Running 64-bit
> Debian (Linux; oldoldstable v8/Jessie; kernel v3.16... x86_64) and
> updated 64-bit Windows 7 HPE SP1 (installed on 10/22/2016).

I wish I had your specs. My notebook is "only" nine years old, but with a
Duo-Core CPU. Board has 4 GB RAM, running 32-Bit (PAE) Debian. The Gnome
GUI runs fine - *if* not too many apps are running at the same time.

Also have RealTek chips for network (Ethernet and WIFI) built in.

F'up2 comp.os.linux.misc (I don't read the other groups).
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:42 UTC

On 31/08/2021 11:04, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> MSI P43 NEO3-F
That will take a lot more RAM., stuff it in

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:19 UTC

Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
> Try Linux Mint Mate
> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290

Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:34 UTC

On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 05:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 00:22, Ant wrote:
>>> I'll be mainly doing basic stuff like web browsing, e-mails, newsgroups,
>>> downloads, listening to audio, watching videos, simple SSH2 server, etc.
>>> I currently run updated Debian Jessie v8's KDE which is fine but it
>>> doesn't get updates for years so it's time to move on for a clean/new
>>> Linux installation. Will getting Bullseye v11 be OK?
>> Try Linux Mint Mate
>> Verty good multimedia support. Not as dumbed as Cinnamon
>
> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>
> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>
>
Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User
Experience"

--
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rule.
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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:16 UTC

Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>
>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>
>>
> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User
> Experience"

Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine. This
posting is written on a MacBook Air with a Cinnamon installed as sole OS.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:47 UTC

On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 15:34 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 14:19, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=290
>>>
>>> Xfce should be even lighter on the system. Also good multimedia-support.
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed, but if he can add some RAM. I feel Mate is a better "User
>> Experience"
>
> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.

In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)

--
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– Ludwig von Mises

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 by: SixOverFive - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:01 UTC

On 08/31/2021 05:01 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>> Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
>> tricks though
>
> |[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
> |APT {
> | Install-Recommends "false";
> | Install-Suggests "false";
> |};
> |
> |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $
>
> Greetings
> Marc
>

That'll work - but usually I like to decide on
a case-by-case basis. However someone using VERY
limited old hardware might want to set those as
defaults. Often very innocent looking programs
drag in a HUGE amount of crap that could overwhelm
an old box or require breaking the install process
in the middle to prevent it ... which isn't always
the best thing.

In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend. It'll
clearly list all the "helper" software your app wants
to drag in (doesn't seem to clarify WHAT is junk and
what is absolutely required though).

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:54 UTC

Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>
> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)

*Really*?!
Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
digital prison.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:59 UTC

On 31/08/2021 17:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
>
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.
>
>
In a nutshell yes. My desktop is set up with a MAC look, but that's all

--
“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of
intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into,
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a
power-directed system of thought.”
Sir Roger Scruton

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:52 UTC

On 8/31/21 09:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
>
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.

And nothing is snappier than AmigaOS on a 68000 processor with 8
Megabytes of memory and a 100 Megabyte hard drive. But I will go with
Linux instead of reviving my beloved A2000b with 68060 and 4 Gigabyte
hard drive and 64 MB of ram. Memory protection is better than quick
system response and of course we have that with a few Gigabytes of ram
and many GBs of SSD.

bliss - boots & runs a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos.

--
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From: cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 04:21 UTC

On 2021-08-31, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 31.08.21 um 16:47 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>
>> On 31/08/2021 15:16, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I think that is a matter of taste. I always worked with Cinnamon
>>> on rather powerful machines. That is as good as a Mac OS-machine.
>>
>> In my book that is not really an upward step from Windows ;-)
>
> *Really*?!
> Everything is an improvement over Windows 1X, IMHO.
> MacOS is more sophisticated as far as the look is concerned but it is a
> digital prison.

On the rare occasions that I use my wife's Mac, I feel that
I'm not so much using it as it is using me. See my .sig...

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Subject: Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC?
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 by: Marc Haber - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:07 UTC

SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
>On 08/31/2021 05:01 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> > SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote:
> >> Learn the apt-get --no-include-recommends
> >> tricks though
> >
> > |[2/5046]mh@drop:~ $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70RecommendsSuggests
> > |APT {
> > | Install-Recommends "false";
> > | Install-Suggests "false";
> > |};
> > |
> > |[3/5047]mh@drop:~ $
> >
> > Greetings
> > Marc
> >
>
> That'll work - but usually I like to decide on
> a case-by-case basis.

I think you can override the settings if you want recommends. ALso,
apt says which recommended / suggested package it doesn install.

I find it dangerous to have the "give me the full thing" as default,
it's too easy to omit the option once.

Also debfoster does a pretty good job in keeping the system small.

> However someone using VERY
> limited old hardware might want to set those as
> defaults.

I am a professional server jockey and all my Debian installs have
these set. Especially in containerized environments you want to be as
small as possible.

> In the Debiverse, Synaptic is your best friend.

I disagree even for desktop machines.

Greetings
Marc
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 by: Marc Haber - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:09 UTC

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.

If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.

This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
Avoid nVidia at all costs.

Greetings
Marc
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:42 UTC

On 01/09/2021 10:09, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>
> If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
> graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
> the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.
>
> This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
> Avoid nVidia at all costs.
>
> Greetings
> Marc
>
I have never found an Nvidia card that didn't have a driver that worked
with it, and their Linux support is massively better than any other
manufacturer

Buy Nvidia whenever possible for Linux.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 11:47 UTC

On 01/09/2021 11.42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 10:09, Marc Haber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Nvidia support very old legacy hardware with up to date linux drivers.
>>
>> If so, this has changed in the last five years. My last nVidia
>> graphics card was removed from the machine and replaced with AMD since
>> the nVidia legacy driver suddenly stopped supporting it.
>>
>> This has never happened to me before or afterwards with other vendors.
>> Avoid nVidia at all costs.

> I have never found an Nvidia card that didn't have a driver that worked
> with it, and their Linux support is massively better than any other
> manufacturer
>
> Buy Nvidia whenever possible for Linux.

I had to do the same as Marc, as my NVidia card stopped being supported
by the proprietary driver, and I changed to AMD too.

Native Linux support for Nvidia cards is limited, there is no 3d, and
limited hardware acceleration (with the open driver).

With AMD, I don't need any proprietary driver to get games running.

So, avoid Nvidia at all costs. Ask (or google) Linus Torvalds what he
thinks of Nvidia.

As to not happening before, yes, it did, with ATI cards long ago. A
decade or two, before it joined with AMD and they opened things.

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