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* C:\Windows\WebYK
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|`* Re: C:\Windows\WebJ. P. Gilliver (John)
| `* Re: C:\Windows\WebMayayana
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Subject: C:\Windows\Web
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 by: YK - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:51 UTC

I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
C:\Windows\Web

Inside are 3 system folders
C:\Windows\Web\4K
C:\Windows\Web\Screen
C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper

Anyone know more about these system folders?
C:\Windows\Web\4K\Wallpaper\Windows
C:\Windows\Web\Screen
C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\{Flowers,Windows,Windows 10}

Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?

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 by: philo - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 20:37 UTC

On 9/18/2021 11:51 AM, YK wrote:
> I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
> C:\Windows\Web
>
> Inside are 3 system folders
> C:\Windows\Web\4K
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper
>
> Anyone know more about these system folders?
> C:\Windows\Web\4K\Wallpaper\Windows
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\{Flowers,Windows,Windows 10}
>
> Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?

AFAIK, just wallpaper...

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 by: Ant - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 21:43 UTC

YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
> C:\Windows\Web

> Inside are 3 system folders
> C:\Windows\Web\4K
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper

> Anyone know more about these system folders?
> C:\Windows\Web\4K\Wallpaper\Windows
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\{Flowers,Windows,Windows 10}

> Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?

Replace them with different images? ;)
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From: winstonmvp@gmail.com (...w¡ñ§±¤n)
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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤n - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 06:11 UTC

YK wrote:
> I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
> C:\Windows\Web
>
> Inside are 3 system folders
> C:\Windows\Web\4K
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper
>
> Anyone know more about these system folders?
> C:\Windows\Web\4K\Wallpaper\Windows
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\{Flowers,Windows,Windows 10}
>
> Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?

Repositories for included o/s graphics.
Original design intent for Win10 but the those folders and intent date
back to XP era.

4K - default oobe Windows logo wallpaper in different resolutions
Screen - default oobe locations pics for Lock Screen and Logon screen
Wallpaper - default oobe Windows included wallpaper

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 11:16 UTC

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 02:11:40, ...w¡ñ§±¤n <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>YK wrote:
>> I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
>> C:\Windows\Web
[]
>> Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?
>
>Repositories for included o/s graphics.
>Original design intent for Win10 but the those folders and intent date
>back to XP era.
[]
Interesting. (On this W7 machine, it's there, but just contains several
sets of six - and one one - wallpapers.)

Any idea why the folder's called "Web"?
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 by: Mayayana - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 16:51 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| Any idea why the folder's called "Web"?

It dates from Win98 Active Desktop. Most people never
really noticed that, but it was a big deal at the time. It
was Bill Gates's attempt to "turn the cororate ship on a dime"
and catch up with the Internet "revolution".
Everyone said he did that, but that story is BS. Windows
stayed strong because they had a monopoly. Active Desktop
was just a scam veneer of "webbiness".

The main elements were:

* Explorer folder windows were actually IE browser windows.
Or rather, IE and Explorer were both browsers with different
"chrome" or window frames. Both showed webpages.

The view of folders and files was a listview control in the
webpage of Explorer. In the Web folder was folders.htt, which
was the template HTML file for folder windows. It was possible
to make the client area of the window anything you wanted
that could be done on a webpage. Very useful and fun. But
Microsoft just did it as a gimmick and eventually removed it
as part of phasing out IE.

* Channels. Channels were ads that one could affix to the
Desktop. There were lots of logos for them pre-installed under
/Web. Remember the Channel Bar -- the billboard on the Desktop?
Most people never noticed it, but the idea was that people would
subscribe to sleazeball companies like Disney and those companies
woud then have a small webpage on the Desktop, which would
update regularly with ads.

There were also numerous IE tie-ins -- shell extensions --
which made Windows more customizable. So there were some
good parts and some clever parts, but mostly it was just Billy
Gates being Billy Gates, with his endless greed and thirst for
power -- hoping to collect ad money from
corporations, sucker Windows users into looking at them, and
casting it all as a futuristic blending of computer and Internet.

There were several reasons it didn't work. One was that no
one was interested in ads and wouldn't have known how to
get them, even if they were. Two was that Internet speeds
were not fast enough for all that nonsense. People were making
coffee while they waited for their email. No one felt "webbified".
Three was that the whole Active Desktop was really just a hoax.
It was fun for tweakers, but otherwise invisible. (Most people
never even realized that the addition of a back button in Explorer
was supposed to be "webby". It was a bad joke that went over
everyone's heads.

But there was also another aspect that was highly successful:
When MS ran into trouble with monopoly charges with respect
to Netscape, they decided to deal with it by building IE into
the system and claiming they couldn't be separated. That was
what Gates famously described as "cutting off Netscape's air
supply". That was a big factor in creating Active Desktop.

So, the Web folder is still there, 23 years later. I think it just
holds wallpaper. Nothing else of significance that I'm aware of.
There could still be HTT files around, to display things like printer
options, but I think they're all gone now.

One aspect that is still around is the ShellFolderView. To this
day, for backward compatibility, IE windows and Explorer windows
are all officially IE instances. Using the system Shell object in
software or script one can either access the DOM of an IE
webpage, or the ShellFolderView of an Explorer window. The
latter allows for programmatically enumerating files, finding out
what's selected, and a few other things. The functionality was
never entirely finished, but it's still relelvant for shell extensions
like Explorer Bars.

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤n - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:46 UTC

Mayayana wrote:
> "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote
>
> | Any idea why the folder's called "Web"?
>
> It dates from Win98 Active Desktop. Most people never
> really noticed that, but it was a big deal at the time.
Correct, it dates back before XP. AD was discontinued in XP Pro and all
later o/s versions.
>
> The main elements were:
>
> * Explorer folder windows were actually IE browser windows.
> Or rather, IE and Explorer were both browsers with different
> "chrome" or window frames. Both showed webpages.
>
> The view of folders and files was a listview control in the
> webpage of Explorer. In the Web folder was folders.htt, which
> was the template HTML file for folder windows. It was possible
> to make the client area of the window anything you wanted
> that could be done on a webpage. Very useful and fun. But
> Microsoft just did it as a gimmick and eventually removed it
> as part of phasing out IE.

When AD was deprecated(with the exception of XP Pro, Vista was the first
o/s that didn't support AD)
IE was not being phased out at that time. Phase out occurred well after
AD deprecation and after IE7 and 8. With the release of IE9, the first
'not-bundled with browser o/s' the stage was set for later phase out of IE
which MSFT began toward the end of IE10. That phase out took on speed
throughout the IE11/Windows 8 era with Edge development starting just
prior to release of Windows 8.0 and three years into the Windows 7
era(2012).
- Edge(Legacy), initially, didn't even have a internal code name. When
the code reached a point of compatibility with Win10(still in development)
it was assigned the code name Spartan, but it was another 1.5 years before
'Spartan' was publicly revealed/leaked.

> So, the Web folder is still there, 23 years later. I think it just
> holds wallpaper. Nothing else of significance that I'm aware of.
> There could still be HTT files around, to display things like printer
> options, but I think they're all gone now.

Yes, still there and as noted contains the on any Windows 10 install, the
default OOBE content for Background, Lock Screen, Sign On, and Wallpaper.

There have been a few articles that suggested to store one's choice of
graphic files in the C:\Windows\Web subfolders named Wallpaper but that
just an extra step or waste of time - yes it can be a repository or
archive, but not necessary, since any thing chosen for Wallpaper, Lock
Screen, Sign once selected from any storage location will be created as a
new file and stored in the users profile.
i.e. storing in a Windows folder doesn't provide any real benefit

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 by: Mayayana - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:20 UTC

"...w�񧱤n" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

| > It dates from Win98 Active Desktop. Most people never
| > really noticed that, but it was a big deal at the time.
| Correct, it dates back before XP. AD was discontinued in XP Pro and all
| later o/s versions.
| >

It's not really that definitive, as I described. In XP there's
no longer an IE browser window in folders, but there's still
tie-in between IE and Explorer with shell extensions. There's
also still programmatic access via Shell.

There was a lot of pressure, for many years, to disconnect
IE from Windows for security reasons, but it was a gradual process.
HTAs came in with IE5, which was a step toward being able to lock
down IE better while still allowing scripted IE utilities. The trouble
was that IE was very adaptable and powerful, and MS had made it
very useful to programmers and corporate IT. By allowing script
to create COM objects, webpages in IE became the GUI for
virtually any software that anyone wanted to write. (I've
personally written an MSI editor, an MSI unpacker, a
javascript de-obfuscator, a graphic editor, a COM object
browser, an HTML editor, an email storage database, a Bing
maps utility, and numerous smaller "programs" using VBScript
in an HTA with COM objects.) MS couldn't just drop support for
all that after they'd spent years getting corporate IT people
hooked on it.

And after all, it was brilliant. It just wasn't safe to allow
IE online. (One of the things I've written was a MIME filter.
With a couple of Registry settings, anyone could write software
that gets webpages before IE does and could edit what IE
received in any way desired. Brilliant for making things like
ad filters, but not so good for security.)

I've used IE for many years to make simple, quickie
software. But the last time I allowed it online was probably
about 1999. I block it in my firewall, on every computer I use.
I wouldn't even consider letting it online. But I do love it. :)

| IE was not being phased out at that time. Phase out occurred well after
| AD deprecation and after IE7 and 8.

Yes. I should have said phasing out the dangerous tie-in
rather than phasing out IE. Though, of course, without the
Windows tie-in, COM "active" scripting, and their proprietary
DOM, IE was pointless, anyway.

Microsoft had made IE the only notable browser by making it
so powerful, able to use COM objects and use script as
executable code. As pressure grew to make it safer, and
people began moving more to other browsers, MS very
gradually moved to phase out the tie-in between Windows
and IE. They tried to make IE safer. They slowly moved
toward making IE compatible with other browsers.

I suppose it would be most accurate to say MS phased
out IE as a monopoly strategy. Gradually they started supporting
Web standards. By the time it got to IE11/Edge there was
really no reason for it to exist anymore as a browser online.
It had been stripped of its unique strengths.

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Mayayana wrote:
> "...w¡ñ§±¤n" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>
> | > It dates from Win98 Active Desktop. Most people never
> | > really noticed that, but it was a big deal at the time.
> | Correct, it dates back before XP. AD was discontinued in XP Pro and all
> | later o/s versions.
> | >
>
> It's not really that definitive, as I described. In XP there's
> no longer an IE browser window in folders, but there's still
> tie-in between IE and Explorer with shell extensions. There's
> also still programmatic access via Shell.

My point was even though the appearance of C:\Windows\Web started earlier
than XP, AD was never the base design intent for storing the OOBE
Wallpaper, etc.
>

> And after all, it was brilliant. It just wasn't safe to allow
> IE online. (One of the things I've written was a MIME filter.
> With a couple of Registry settings, anyone could write software
> that gets webpages before IE does and could edit what IE
> received in any way desired. Brilliant for making things like
> ad filters, but not so good for security.)
It could be seen as brilliant, but for the most part, end-users used their
own pictures for wallpaper.
>
>
> I suppose it would be most accurate to say MS phased
> out IE as a monopoly strategy. Gradually they started supporting
> Web standards. By the time it got to IE11/Edge there was
> really no reason for it to exist anymore as a browser online.
> It had been stripped of its unique strengths.
Well, part of Edge development was to divorce the IE connection and remove
pieces of the code. The reason why it wasn't entirely stripped was the
dependence on existing MSFT software(at the time) that used IE dlls and
other parts of Windows.

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 by: Mayayana - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 23:47 UTC

| > "...w¡ñ§±¤n" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
| >

| > I suppose it would be most accurate to say MS phased
| > out IE as a monopoly strategy. Gradually they started supporting
| > Web standards. By the time it got to IE11/Edge there was
| > really no reason for it to exist anymore as a browser online.
| > It had been stripped of its unique strengths.

| Well, part of Edge development was to divorce the IE connection and remove
| pieces of the code. The reason why it wasn't entirely stripped was the
| dependence on existing MSFT software(at the time) that used IE dlls and
| other parts of Windows.
|

Whatever. By then it didn't matter. That's why Edge
in both versions is a total flop. Edge-IE was just a crippled
version of IE. I blocked it on my own website, showing
people a message explaining that any other browser made
in the past 15 years would work fine, but not Edge. It
was broken as IE and lacked compatibility with standards.
Worse, it would only run on Win10. So it wasn't even
a browser to be counted.

With ChromEdge, Microsoft are just trying
to trap their customers into yet another webkit wrapper.
With IE they actually had a unique browser with unique
abilities, that was enriched by Windows functionality.
There's no reason for Edge to exist. But maybe it doesn't
really matter now. MS can just force people to use Edge
and Bing, and they'll win that way. There's no sign that
anyone's going to stop their "software as a service" scam.
It's a new way to shut off everyone else's air supply.

Google have the advantage in that their interconnected
services are more extensive and generally better than
Microsoft's. Microsoft's advantage? They own the main
platform and they're slightly less barbaric than Google.
If they can force people to use Edge without waking up
the justice dept and attorneys general then they'd be crazy
not to. At this point, Windows users are used to "taking it
up the ass" from Microsoft. They won't complain.

(I usually don't go in for such
crude expressions, but when I turn on Win10 to see a
message telling me that Microsoft is busy using my computer --
after I've already disabled automatic updates -- taking it
up the ass seems like a good way to describe it.)

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 by: Ralph Fox - Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:55 UTC

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:51:13 -0400, YK wrote:

> I typed "web" into the Run menu and this popped up:
> C:\Windows\Web
>
> Inside are 3 system folders
> C:\Windows\Web\4K
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper
>
> Anyone know more about these system folders?
> C:\Windows\Web\4K\Wallpaper\Windows
> C:\Windows\Web\Screen
> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\{Flowers,Windows,Windows 10}
>
> Is there anything we can do with this folder that's useful?

Hint: compare the pictures in that folder with the pictures you see here.

1. Start >> Settings >> Personalization >> Background
2. Start >> Settings >> Personalization >> Lock screen
3. Start >> Settings >> Personalization >> Themes

🙄

--
Kind regards
Ralph

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