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* Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
+* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemEric Pozharski
|`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemEric Pozharski
| `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
+* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJohn McCue
|`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemRobert Komar
 +- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
 `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
  +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJohn Forkosh
  |+* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemHenrik Carlqvist
  ||`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJohn Forkosh
  |`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemTed Heise
  `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemRalph Spitzner
   `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemRobert Komar
    `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
     +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
     |`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
     | +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | |`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemAragorn
     | | `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | |  `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemAragorn
     | +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemThomas Gibson
     | |+* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | ||`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemChris Elvidge
     | || +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | || |+* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJohn Forkosh
     | || ||`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | || |`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
     | || `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
     | |`- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemChris Elvidge
     | +* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemHenrik Carlqvist
     | |+- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemAragorn
     | |`* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemJimmy Johnson
     | | `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemnoel
     | `* Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemRobert Komar
     |  `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemChris Elvidge
     `- Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file systemRobert Komar

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Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system

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From: tommyg@dsl.pipex.com (Thomas Gibson)
Subject: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 10:33:43 +0100
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 by: Thomas Gibson - Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:33 UTC

Is anybody else having problems reading ext2 file drives with latest
kernel 5.13? All OK with kernel 5.12.
My system crashes if I try to read from an ext2 drive. The error message
is extremely long ending up displaying cpu registers.
Slackware 15.0 is on an ext4 drive.
--
Tom Gibson

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From: whynot@pozharski.name (Eric Pozharski)
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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: Eric Pozharski - Thu, 29 Jul 2021 11:40 UTC

with <nsk7thx7j5.ln2@thomasg.chromat> Thomas Gibson wrote:

> Is anybody else having problems reading ext2 file drives with latest
> kernel 5.13? All OK with kernel 5.12.

5.13.2 is fine too. Complained about year 2038 though. Also, might be
relevant, no trigger happy helpers here.

> My system crashes if I try to read from an ext2 drive. The error
> message is extremely long ending up displaying cpu registers.

I suspect that would be tail of CPU-dump. Actual kernel panic is way
above. And with buffer-scroll being killed for good you're in the dark
now. I have two ideas how to work around this (one more ridiculous then
other), I hope those are in vain.

*CUT*

--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: John McCue - Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:53 UTC

Thomas Gibson <tommyg@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Is anybody else having problems reading ext2 file drives with latest
> kernel 5.13? All OK with kernel 5.12.
> My system crashes if I try to read from an ext2 drive. The error message
> is extremely long ending up displaying cpu registers.
> Slackware 15.0 is on an ext4 drive.

When was it formatted ? IIRC a kernel change was made a
few releases ago which rolled it into ext4.

So, maybe to an fsck should be done in case something
changed.

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From: tommyg@dsl.pipex.com (Thomas Gibson)
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 by: Thomas Gibson - Thu, 29 Jul 2021 21:18 UTC

On 29/07/2021 21:53, John McCue wrote:
> Thomas Gibson <tommyg@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>> Is anybody else having problems reading ext2 file drives with latest
>> kernel 5.13? All OK with kernel 5.12.
>> My system crashes if I try to read from an ext2 drive. The error message
>> is extremely long ending up displaying cpu registers.
>> Slackware 15.0 is on an ext4 drive.
>
> When was it formatted ? IIRC a kernel change was made a
> few releases ago which rolled it into ext4.
>
> So, maybe to an fsck should be done in case something
> changed.
>
Thanks for responding. I can create a new ext2 file system but it still
cpu dumps if I try to read from it. I tried e2fsck on an existing file
system to no avail.

--
Tom Gibson

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From: robk@robpc4.robk-home.org (Robert Komar)
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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: Robert Komar - Sun, 1 Aug 2021 15:10 UTC

I'm running slackware off of an SD card with an ext2 root filesystem.
Since the upgrade to kernel 5.13, I have not been able to boot the
system. It panics as it is loading the initrd. I assumed that I
was missing some modules for the new kernel, but now I think I am
probably hitting the same ext2 problem. It's hard to know because
I can't scroll back up to the start of the panic log, as others
have also pointed out. Bah!

Rob Komar

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 by: Thomas Gibson - Sun, 1 Aug 2021 17:37 UTC

On 01/08/2021 16:10, Robert Komar wrote:
> I'm running slackware off of an SD card with an ext2 root filesystem.
> Since the upgrade to kernel 5.13, I have not been able to boot the
> system. It panics as it is loading the initrd. I assumed that I
> was missing some modules for the new kernel, but now I think I am
> probably hitting the same ext2 problem. It's hard to know because
> I can't scroll back up to the start of the panic log, as others
> have also pointed out. Bah!
>
> Rob Komar
>
Thank you for responding. I was starting to think I was the only one
having problems with this new kernel.

--
Tom Gibson

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From: deletethis@invalid.lan (noel)
Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: noel - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 14:36 UTC

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 11:10:04 -0400, Robert Komar wrote:

> I'm running slackware off of an SD card with an ext2 root filesystem.
> Since the upgrade to kernel 5.13, I have not been able to boot the
> system. It panics as it is loading the initrd. I assumed that I was
> missing some modules for the new kernel, but now I think I am probably
> hitting the same ext2 problem. It's hard to know because I can't scroll
> back up to the start of the panic log, as others have also pointed out.
> Bah!
>
> Rob Komar

mount the filesystem on a PC, chroot and build a kernel with everything
in - ie: your not using an init image you are using full kernel.
or you could chroot and remake your init image first.

as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I had
scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no scrollback
meant hours and hours and hours of hair pulling - eventually grabbed a
video camera and recorded the boot up, replayed the recording and saw the
error, fixes in 15 seconds, i had and still have plenty of choice words
for torvalds

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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: John Forkosh - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 04:12 UTC

noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
> Robert Komar wrote:
>> ...I have not been able to boot the system. It panics as it is
>> loading the initrd. It's hard to know [why] because I can't scroll
>> back up to the start of the panic log, as others have also pointed out.
>> Rob Komar
>
> had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I had scroll back I'd see
> the obvious error and correct it, but no scrollback meant hours
> and hours and hours of hair pulling - eventually grabbed a
> video camera and recorded the boot up, replayed the recording and saw
> the error, fixes in 15 seconds

What a great idea. I've had an ongoing similar problem, but it never
occurred to me to record the screen "offline" (so to speak).
You think that'll work using a smartphone video (actually, I guess
I'll be trying it regardless)?

Any possibility of an "online" (so to speak) recording of the screen?
I guess you'd need an already-booted-and-running system for that,
and then there's probably an application to do that somewhere (I don't
offhand know of any such thing, but I imagine it exists somewheres).
But I can't think of any way to do that while booting from an
installation medium. Is there maybe some way to do that???
Or maybe some simple change to initrd that would amount to a
"*.* -debuglogfile" line in syslog.conf???
--
John Forkosh ( mailto: j@f.com where j=john and f=forkosh )

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 by: Ralph Spitzner - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 05:59 UTC

noel wrote on 8/2/21 4:36 PM:
[...]
> as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
> torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I had
> scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no scrollback

[...]
I imagine it's a bit hard to do screen scrolling when the
keyboard and video drivers (and all others) are dead/ haltet.
would you prefer a windows like:
KERNEL PANIC
ERROR #DEADBEEF ?

-rasp

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 by: Henrik Carlqvist - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 08:19 UTC

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 04:12:40 +0000, John Forkosh wrote:
> Any possibility of an "online" (so to speak) recording of the screen?

It would be possible to boot the kernel with the console set to a serial
port and have a serial cable connected to another machine logging all
data to the serial port.

regards Henrik

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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: Robert Komar - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:25 UTC

Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote:
> noel wrote on 8/2/21 4:36 PM:
> [...]
>> as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
>> torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I had
>> scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no scrollback
>
> [...]
> I imagine it's a bit hard to do screen scrolling when the
> keyboard and video drivers (and all others) are dead/ haltet.
> would you prefer a windows like:
> KERNEL PANIC
> ERROR #DEADBEEF ?
>
> -rasp

I think most of us would prefer the scrolling that was there for almost
thirty years. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than nothing.

Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM
as well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works
fine in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really
with the initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken
in his system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.

Rob Komar

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 by: noel - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 02:50 UTC

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 11:25:10 -0400, Robert Komar wrote:

> Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote:
>> noel wrote on 8/2/21 4:36 PM:
>> [...]
>>> as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
>>> torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I
>>> had scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no
>>> scrollback
>>
>> [...]
>> I imagine it's a bit hard to do screen scrolling when the keyboard and
>> video drivers (and all others) are dead/ haltet.
>> would you prefer a windows like:
>> KERNEL PANIC ERROR #DEADBEEF ?
>>
>> -rasp
>
> I think most of us would prefer the scrolling that was there for almost
> thirty years. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than nothing.
>
> Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM as
> well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
> initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
> that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works fine
> in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really with the
> initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken in his
> system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.
>
> Rob Komar

current kernels dont like ext2, plain and simple

I pulled an ol toshiba usb drive out from storage since I knew it was
ext2, nope, stack errors and killed at every first attempt...

converted it to ext4,

tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/sdf1

and voila! no errors, so its just ext2 theyve rooted up

way to go linus...

(im not gonna sift through 10K trolls on LKML to see if its been brought
up there yet.)

(I didnt see mr spitzers post, I didnt miss anything, my troll filters
seem to be working well)

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From: forkosh@panix.com (John Forkosh)
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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: John Forkosh - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 06:17 UTC

Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> wrote:
> John Forkosh wrote:
>> Any possibility of an "online" (so to speak) recording of the screen?
>
> It would be possible to boot the kernel with the console set to a serial
> port and have a serial cable connected to another machine logging all
> data to the serial port.
> regards Henrik

Thanks for the additional good idea (assuming some usb-to-serial driver
or physical adapter is available since I no longer have any pc's with
an actual serial, or parallel for that matter, port).
It also occurred to me to plug the hdmi cable from the pc into the
hdmi input of a vcr or vdr recorder. And since I happen to already have
an hdmi splitter (one input, three outputs), that may be the most
straightforward approach.
--
John Forkosh ( mailto: j@f.com where j=john and f=forkosh )

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From: tommyg@dsl.pipex.com (Thomas Gibson)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:46:25 +0100
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 by: Thomas Gibson - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:46 UTC

On 04/08/2021 03:50, noel wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 11:25:10 -0400, Robert Komar wrote:
>
>> Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote:
>>> noel wrote on 8/2/21 4:36 PM:
>>> [...]
>>>> as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
>>>> torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I
>>>> had scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no
>>>> scrollback
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> I imagine it's a bit hard to do screen scrolling when the keyboard and
>>> video drivers (and all others) are dead/ haltet.
>>> would you prefer a windows like:
>>> KERNEL PANIC ERROR #DEADBEEF ?
>>>
>>> -rasp
>>
>> I think most of us would prefer the scrolling that was there for almost
>> thirty years. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than nothing.
>>
>> Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM as
>> well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
>> initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
>> that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works fine
>> in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really with the
>> initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken in his
>> system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.
>>
>> Rob Komar
>
> current kernels dont like ext2, plain and simple
>
> I pulled an ol toshiba usb drive out from storage since I knew it was
> ext2, nope, stack errors and killed at every first attempt...
>
> converted it to ext4,
>
> tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/sdf1
>
> and voila! no errors, so its just ext2 theyve rooted up
>
> way to go linus...
>
> (im not gonna sift through 10K trolls on LKML to see if its been brought
> up there yet.)
>
> (I didnt see mr spitzers post, I didnt miss anything, my troll filters
> seem to be working well)
>
Thanks for this. I was beginning to think it was just me. I have
reverted back to kernel 5.12.16-smp and all is OK.

--
Tom Gibson

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 by: noel - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:08 UTC

On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 12:46:25 +0100, Thomas Gibson wrote:

> On 04/08/2021 03:50, noel wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 11:25:10 -0400, Robert Komar wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> wrote:
>>>> noel wrote on 8/2/21 4:36 PM:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> as for not scrolling back, you have that dumbfuck so called genius
>>>>> torvalds to thank for that. had a boot issue once on a pentium, if I
>>>>> had scrol back I'd see the obvious error and correct it, but no
>>>>> scrollback
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>> I imagine it's a bit hard to do screen scrolling when the keyboard
>>>> and video drivers (and all others) are dead/ haltet.
>>>> would you prefer a windows like:
>>>> KERNEL PANIC ERROR #DEADBEEF ?
>>>>
>>>> -rasp
>>>
>>> I think most of us would prefer the scrolling that was there for
>>> almost thirty years. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM
>>> as well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
>>> initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
>>> that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works fine
>>> in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really with the
>>> initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken in his
>>> system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.
>>>
>>> Rob Komar
>>
>> current kernels dont like ext2, plain and simple
>>
>> I pulled an ol toshiba usb drive out from storage since I knew it was
>> ext2, nope, stack errors and killed at every first attempt...
>>
>> converted it to ext4,
>>
>> tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/sdf1
>>
>> and voila! no errors, so its just ext2 theyve rooted up
>>
>> way to go linus...
>>
>> (im not gonna sift through 10K trolls on LKML to see if its been
>> brought up there yet.)
>>
>> (I didnt see mr spitzers post, I didnt miss anything, my troll filters
>> seem to be working well)
>>
> Thanks for this. I was beginning to think it was just me. I have
> reverted back to kernel 5.12.16-smp and all is OK.

Is there any reason youve stuck to ext2?

I admit it took me until just last year to move from ext3 to ext4, my
earlier attempts to try ext4 were very many years ago when it was new,
too new, it was unstable, quotas did not work at all, but its matured
over the years, I'm running production servers on it and not missed a
beat.

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From: jimmy@none.none (Jimmy Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Slackware 15.0 ext2 file system
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 by: Jimmy Johnson - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 15:22 UTC

On 8/4/21 7:08 AM, noel wrote:

> Is there any reason youve stuck to ext2?

I've been wondering the same thing?

I test linux, so when I moved from ext3 to ext4 in 2009 I expected
people to start moving with new linux installs, it's a better file system.

Now when 15 gets released the move will be to the newest linux EXT file
system BTRFS. BTRFS is a even better EXT file system I've just been
waiting for it to get well supported.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Slackware64 Current - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda7
Registered Linux User #380263

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 by: Aragorn - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 15:51 UTC

On 04.08.2021 at 08:22, Jimmy Johnson scribbled:

> On 8/4/21 7:08 AM, noel wrote:
>
> > Is there any reason youve stuck to ext2?
>
> I've been wondering the same thing?
>
> I test linux, so when I moved from ext3 to ext4 in 2009 I expected
> people to start moving with new linux installs, it's a better file
> system.
>
> Now when 15 gets released the move will be to the newest linux EXT
> file system BTRFS. BTRFS is a even better EXT file system I've just
> been waiting for it to get well supported.

btrfs is not a filesystem in the ext family. It is developed at
Oracle, and if anything, it is much more akin to ZFS, albeit that the
RAID-5/6 functionality of btrfs is still not usable. The on-disk
format has however already long been stable and it is quite resilient.

I've been using btrfs here on my production machine for over two years
already — I do use ext4 for /boot because GRUB doesn't like btrfs
(although there is a patched version that does) — and I haven't had any
problems with it so far. It didn't even budge after two unexpected power
failures. Earlier I had been using XFS, with which I wasn't so lucky
under those very same circumstances.

Some of the advantages — for more information, check the Wikipedia page
or the man page...:

° Copy-on-write.

° Supports transparent inline compression and will autodetect the
compression type and compression factor.

° Autodetects whether it's running off of an SSD, and if so, will
automatically enable performance optimizations for SSDs.

° Snapshots.

° Subvolumes. Think of them as separate partitions, except that the
free disk pace is shared among all the subvolumes. Subvolumes are
however not regarded as separate block devices.

° Multiple root directories per filesystem, so that you can mount a
different subvolume as the root volume of the partition.

° Has an auto-defragmentation mount option — should only be used on
spinning rust disks, of course.

° Supports swap files for those who don't want to use a swap partition.

° Supports RAID-0 and RAID-1.

° Data AND metadata journaling. The journal is always replayed after
an unclean shutdown, even for read-only filesystems.

° Allows for rebalancing the trees after lots of moving files between
individual subvolumes.

° Excellent documentation.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn

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 by: Thomas Gibson - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:51 UTC

On 04/08/2021 15:08, noel wrote:

>>>> Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM
>>>> as well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
>>>> initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
>>>> that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works fine
>>>> in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really with the
>>>> initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken in his
>>>> system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.
>>>>
>>>> Rob Komar
>>>
>>> current kernels dont like ext2, plain and simple
>>>
>>> I pulled an ol toshiba usb drive out from storage since I knew it was
>>> ext2, nope, stack errors and killed at every first attempt...
>>>
>>> converted it to ext4,
>>>
>>> tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/sdf1
>>>
>>> and voila! no errors, so its just ext2 theyve rooted up
>>>
>>> way to go linus...
>>>
>>> (im not gonna sift through 10K trolls on LKML to see if its been
>>> brought up there yet.)
>>>

>>>
>> Thanks for this. I was beginning to think it was just me. I have
>> reverted back to kernel 5.12.16-smp and all is OK.
>
> Is there any reason youve stuck to ext2?
>
> I admit it took me until just last year to move from ext3 to ext4, my
> earlier attempts to try ext4 were very many years ago when it was new,
> too new, it was unstable, quotas did not work at all, but its matured
> over the years, I'm running production servers on it and not missed a
> beat.
>
No is the sort answer. For some reason I stuck with ext2 file systems
from Slackware 3. I did not know you could convert from ext2 to ext4
without a lot of rebuilding. Thanks for that. I have Slakware 15.0
running on ext3 and Slackware 14.2 on ext2. I will convert soon.
Thanks again

--
Tom Gibson

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 by: Jimmy Johnson - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:22 UTC

On 8/4/21 8:51 AM, Aragorn wrote:

> btrfs is not a filesystem in the ext family.

The main btrfs features include: "Extent based file storage".
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/btrfs.html
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Jimmy Johnson

Slackware64 Current - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda7
Registered Linux User #380263

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 by: Jimmy Johnson - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:30 UTC

On 8/4/21 9:51 AM, Thomas Gibson wrote:

> I have Slakware 15.0 running on ext3

That's fine with me, but why when slackware 15 is being designed to use
btrfs.
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Slackware64 Current - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda7
Registered Linux User #380263

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 by: Aragorn - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:48 UTC

On 04.08.2021 at 10:22, Jimmy Johnson scribbled:

> On 8/4/21 8:51 AM, Aragorn wrote:
>
> > btrfs is not a filesystem in the ext family.
>
> The main btrfs features include: "Extent based file storage".
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/btrfs.html

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the ext, ext2, ext3 or ext4
filesystems.

ext — the original Linux filesystem — was essentially just the Minix
filesystem. ext2 was a different kind of filesystem — it was more
advanced than the Minix fileystem.

ext3 is simply ext2 with journaling added. ext4 is ext3 with hashed
trees enabled by default — they are available but disabled by default
in ext3 — and with extent-based storage (which neither ext, ext2 or
ext3 have).

The "ext" in the name of ext, ext2, ext3 and ext4 has nothing to
do with the concept of extent-based storage, but instead stands for
"extended filesystem".

btrfs is an entirely different type of filesystem — the fact that it
uses extents is irrelevant. ZFS, XFS, JFS and (the non-canonical)
reiser4 are also extent-based, but none of them have anything to do
with ext, ext2, ext3 or ext4 either.
--
With respect,
= Aragorn

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:59 UTC

On 04/08/2021 05:51 pm, Thomas Gibson wrote:
> On 04/08/2021 15:08, noel wrote:
>
>
>>>>> Back to the original topic, I have slackware-current running in a VM
>>>>> as well. The root filesystem is not ext2, so I can boot without the
>>>>> initrd. In there, I can create an ext2 filesystem in a file, mount
>>>>> that, write to it, read from it,... So, it looks like ext2 works fine
>>>>> in that system. Perhaps my problem on the netbook is really with the
>>>>> initrd as I first thought, and the OP has something broken in his
>>>>> system. I can't duplicate his ext2 problems within the VM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Komar
>>>>
>>>> current kernels dont like ext2, plain and simple
>>>>
>>>> I pulled an ol toshiba usb drive out from storage since I knew it was
>>>> ext2, nope, stack errors and killed at every first attempt...
>>>>
>>>> converted it to ext4,
>>>>
>>>> tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index,has_journal /dev/sdf1
>>>>
>>>> and voila! no errors, so its just ext2 theyve rooted up
>>>>
>>>> way to go linus...
>>>>
>>>> (im not gonna sift through 10K trolls on LKML to see if its been
>>>> brought up there yet.)
>>>>
>
>>>>
>>> Thanks for this. I was beginning to think it was just me. I have
>>> reverted back to kernel 5.12.16-smp and all is OK.
>>
>> Is there any reason youve stuck to ext2?
>>
>> I admit it took me until just last year to move from ext3 to ext4, my
>> earlier attempts to try ext4 were very many years ago when it was new,
>> too new, it was unstable, quotas did not work at all, but its matured
>> over the years, I'm running production servers on it and not missed a
>> beat.
>>
> No is the sort answer. For some reason I stuck with ext2 file systems
> from Slackware 3. I did not know you could convert from ext2 to ext4
> without a lot of rebuilding. Thanks for that. I have Slakware 15.0
> running on ext3 and Slackware 14.2 on ext2. I will convert soon.
> Thanks again
>

On my first Slackware (around 3) I used reiserfs; and used it's recovery
features.

--
Chris Elvidge
England

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:03 UTC

On 04/08/2021 06:30 pm, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 8/4/21 9:51 AM, Thomas Gibson wrote:
>
>> I have Slakware 15.0 running on ext3
>
> That's fine with me, but why when slackware 15 is being designed to use
> btrfs.

Wo says it was designed to use btrfs?
My Slack15 installation uses ext4.

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Chris Elvidge
England

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 by: Jimmy Johnson - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 00:57 UTC

On 08/04/2021 11:03 AM, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>> That's fine with me, but why when slackware 15 is being designed to
>> use btrfs.

> Wo says it was designed to use btrfs?

I said, it's being designed to use btrfs. :)

> My Slack15 installation uses ext4.

And so do I, but when 15 is released it will be installed on btrfs.
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Jimmy Johnson

Alien Core Linux - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

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 by: John Forkosh - Thu, 5 Aug 2021 04:05 UTC

Jimmy Johnson <jimmy@none.none> wrote:
> Chris Elvidge wrote:
>
>> My Slack15 installation uses ext4.
>
> And so do I, but when 15 is released it will be installed on btrfs.

What's the future of lilo with respect to all this?
Is grub (or whatever) going to replace it as standard with slackware?
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